cp409067

2 hours ago, MarcD said:

Llareggrub Wharf

 

The name for those who are not ofay with the work of Dylan Thomas is the name of the town in his play for voices "Under Milk Wood" and the joke can be found by reading it backwards.

 

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The Académie Française might object to the spelling of "au fait", as would Dylan Thomas to the extra "R" in the town name.

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1 hour ago, Lacathedrale said:

@009 micro modeller .....

 

It seems ebay has a Quarry Hunslet with cab that fits a Kato 11-109 chassis,.....

 

 

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May I advise some caution. There are some inexpensive 3D print loco bodies that in order to fit on top of a KATO 11-109 result in a somewhat overscale loco for "OO9". This is in terms of both length and height.

One that does not suffer from this problem is GVT "GLYN" loco from Nigel Brooks.

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On 06/12/2023 at 14:23, DKGL said:

Found an old N-Gauge Fleishmann Piccolo chassis in the spares box, fixed it up, and decided to see what I could do with it.

So, with an Airfix Pug Kit, of similar vintage, lowered, shortened & narrowed, came up with this !!!

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As a modeller working in "O9" I have twice made use of a Fleischmann No 7000 chassis. I have also built in "OO9" a "Pugbash" loco using a MiniTrix Dock Tank chassis.

From this perspective, and clearly understanding that this is a freelance locomotive, I politely ask a simple question.

How in reality would the saddle tank have been filled with water?

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On 28/11/2023 at 16:33, Woody C said:

 

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If you have trouble getting to sleep there is a YouTube video on this project at 

 

 

Hope this is of interest and thank you for your continued interest in my glacial progress with Chalkdon!

 

Woody

 

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At 2.45 in the YouTube presentation it is stated that the KATO motor is 3 volts.

The packaging of a Kato 11-109 says -

"Maximum DC12v"

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Sadly the REC exhibition is no more.  See  below.

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May I suggest that Iain Rice's own words as to the demise of the series of articles and the project are relevant?

"….. intended to use BR-era R-T-R stock on a 'finescale OO' layout project undertaken for the old Model Railways magazine. Unfortunately, in the midst of this exercise, that magazine went through one of its periodic upheavals and became, almost overnight, an animal of a very different kind, whose readers were not deemed to be interested in anything so esoteric as 'Bringewood'. And so the first 'Bringewood' faltered, and languishes still in the mouldy dankness of the 'stable'."

(Iain Rice: Light Railway Layout Designs, Wild Swan Publications Limited, 1991, ISBN 0 906867 94 0, p.43.)

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7 hours ago, Nearholmer said:

..... Peco possibly made theirs proportional the the gauge, and to look about right with their vaguely Glyn Valleyish coaches.

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I appreciate that the discussion here (and especially the above comment) is about 7mm scale models.

That said, was it not the case that the prototype L&B 4 wheel wagons were distinctly on the small side?

Assuming the RTR models by Peco for "OO9" are (gauge aside) basically to scale, placing an L&B van alongside a GVT carriage shows the dramatic difference. The L&B van is noticeably narrower and of less height.

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17 minutes ago, barney121e said:

Can anyone tell me if the book has any continuous run plans in at all?

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Only two.

[1]      "Scotland in the Round" - pp.60-61. This is a 4ft x 2ft plan for "N" Peco Setrack despite being mistakenly identified in the heading at "1:76 scale".

[2]      "The Perfect Trains Set?" - pp.76-77. No overall dimensions are given for this plan that uses Peco "OO" Setrack. It is described as being inspired by the "electric industrial system serving the Harton and Westoe Collieries in the North East on the banks of the River Tyne".

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38 minutes ago, RailwayLacky said:

Hi, the baseboard is 24 inches x 57 inches and the radius of each curve is 21 inches

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Thank you for this photograph and the information as to the baseboard dimensions.

It thus being established that the radius of the curve is approximately 10.5ins, in order to avoid continuing confusion may I politely suggest the title of this thread be corrected to -

21” diameter Micro 00

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Please forgive the question.

What is the radius of the curves and the depth of the baseboard?

I find myself confused by the heading reference to "21inch radius" and what I see in the photograph.

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List of layouts and traders now found. Thank you to all concerned.

CP

1 hour ago, john new said:

Just a bump for the Show.

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Can you please provide a link to a list of layouts and traders?

The statement on the Association web-site that this information has to be obtained by sending an e-mail to the Exhibition Manager seems at best curious and at worst very defensive.

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May I make a simple point about the difference between one large layout and a number of smaller layouts that might occupy the same space at an exhibition?

And before doing so I declare an interest in that -

(i)  I generally have a preference for smaller layouts, and

(ii)  I have for many years been building and exhibiting small layouts of my own.

The discussion thus far seems to have addressed the cost differences between a single large and several smaller layouts. Is there not also the INTEREST difference?

To put it simply consider the following imaginary situation.

Option 1: a large main line layout in "OO" where  express trains can thunder through the scene and at other times lengthy goods workings can potter.

Option 2: four separate small layouts.

(a)   An Edwardian branch line terminus modelled in "P4".

(b)   A Germanic mountainous scene modelled in "HO".

(c)   An "O" gauge "micro layout" depicting a dockside.

(d)   A "OO9" layout depicting a small through station with branch line to a quarry.

If I love main line standard gauge railways the large layout will perhaps find me in my "seventh heaven". But if I have not this enthusiasm I will be bored and disappointed.

However, if instead there are four smaller layouts is there not the possibility that at least one of them will have an appeal, and that I might also appreciate (say) the quality of the modelling of another even if the subject matter is not to my taste.

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I am not suggesting that large layouts should not be included in exhibitions - au contraire a mixture of large and small would seem to be a good idea.

But I am suggesting that the relative value of large versus small layouts needs to considered in more than financial terms.

CP

1 hour ago, SteveyDee68 said:

Many thanks to @cp409067 for the pinpointed information towards possible basis of my eBay loco.

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Steve S

 

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Steve

I am happy to be of possible assistance.

On reflection may I make a suggestion?

If basing the loco on the 3ft gauge CVR trams, the proportions might need to be somewhat reduced for the implied 2ft gauge of "SM32". In 4mm scale FourDees have done this to make a model suitable for 2ft 3ins gauge. See -

https://www.fourdees.co.uk/clogher

- where there is a drawing indicating the proportional reduction used to make it suitable for "OO9".

CP

On 05/09/2022 at 23:20, SteveyDee68 said:

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Despite a thorough Google search, I haven’t been able to find any scale drawings on line; can anybody point me to where dimensional drawings for either (or even both) of the aforementioned locos might be found, please? (Even better if a free download rather than an expensive reference book!!)

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Thanks for any assistance or advice offered.

 

Steve S

 

 

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Not an exhaustive list, but this may be helpful. E&OE.

[1]  The CVR Sharp Stewart tram locos.

(i) E.M.Patterson: The Clogher Valley Railway, Colourprint, 2004, ISBN 1-904242-15- 4, pp.133-140. These pages describe the locos, include a number of photographs, and that on p.133 is a square on shot of No 5 "Colebrooke" that might be the next best thing to a drawing. There are other photographs of the locomotives elsewhere in the book.

(ii) Geoff Thorne: Scrapbook of Narrow Gauge Drawings - Narrow Lines extra No 3, the 7mm Narrow gauge Association, 1995, drawing No 1 (obviously to 7mm scale).

(iii)  D.B.Pinniger: "Narrow gauge Modelling in Plasticard", Model Railway Constructor, October 1966, p. 259 has a 4mm scale outline drawing.

[2]  The GVT Beyer Peacock tram locos.

(i) W.J.Milner: The Glyn Valley Tramway, OPC, 1984, ISBN 0-86093-286-9, pp.75-81. Therein is a description of the locos, several photographs, and on p.78 a drawing of "Sir Theodore". The scale of this drawing appears to be very slightly less than 10mm/ft. The locomotives of course feature in photographs elsewhere in the book.

(ii) John Milner and Beryl Williams: Rails to Glyn Ceiriog, vol 2, Ceiriog Press, 2015, ISBN 10: 1900622157/  ISBN 13: 9781900622158 will also presumably have a drawing. This volume is, however, out of print and changes hands for large sums.

(iii) Model Railway News, June 1967 has drawings of "Dennis" and "Sir Theodore". From memory these are 10mm/ft drawings.

(iv) Bernard Rockett: Glyn Valley Tramway Locomotives, 16mm scale drawings. No ISBN.

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On the basis of the article in the September 2022 issue of Railway Modeller I was looking forward to seeing "Monksbury". However, I was to be disappointed for the layout was displayed without lighting and it was therefore not easy to appreciate its excellence. I write this more in sadness than anger and suggest that two questions arise.

[1]   Given that the exhibition hall at the Swindon Museum has a limited level of lighting, why was this layout booked?

[2]   Why is it case that in the C21st there are still exhibitors who fail to understand the importance and necessity of providing (as a matter of course) a layout with its own lighting?

In the same hall Bob Harper's "New Sharon" was displayed. It was simply but beautifully lit using LED strips.

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The GVT tram in blue with a new chimney is very attractive.

CP

5 minutes ago, queensquare said:

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The GVT tram in blue and with new chimney is very attractive.

CP

9 hours ago, Deltic said:

After a two year break Mid Essex MRC invite to to their 43rd Exhibition. 

 

New Venue, 15 minute walk from Shenfield Railway Station.

 

Layouts to attend  - some well-known, some not previously seen in Essex – for some it will be their First Public viewing.

 

Rossiter Rise (00),  Dublingham Goods Station 3 Rail), Hinterupfingen (OO9), Bramble (N), Edale End (N), Ousewell St.Jude (EM), Dockside (00), Nonsuch (0 16.5), Cox Lumber Company (0 n30), Prospect Wharf (EM).

 

Foxwell Lane (00,  Ruffles Road (00),  Drewery Lane ((00), Ryecroft Arena (N), Templegate Wagon Works (0) all of these represent Modern Image modelling.

 

Trade Support to attend

 

Bill Bourne (Railway Roundabout), Book Law Publications, Cat‘s Painted Characters,  Cavalex Models, Coastal DCC, H & A Models, Make Your Mark Models, Michael Land (paintings), Phoenix Precision Paints (for Pre Order Collection), and Plus Daughters.

 

Alongside the following

 

Pay n Play set, Mid Essex MRC’s Previously Enjoyed stall, demonstrations, Refreshments, RCTS, Tombola and EMGS.

 

There is a small Car Park on site.

2022 Exhib Handbill v3 with bleed.pdf 605.28 kB · 11 downloads

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Whilst the date is to be found on the linked handbill, would it not be a good idea to include it in the title of this thread and in the first post?

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It was the work done by women during the Great War that resulted in the shorter skirts (as in the photograph) rather than the full length type.

If operation after the conflict was by IC means, would the conduit (as seen) have necessarily been removed?

I am therefore inclined to suggest that the photograph is from shortly after the War - perhaps the early 1920s.

CP

1 hour ago, Derekl said:

It would be useful if, when posting this sort of advice, you could specify whether cards are accepted or it is cash only. I suspect many, like me, no longer carry cash as it usually isn't needed.

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The link already given in the first post -

www.southwesthertsmrs.org.uk

- leads to this -

http://www.southwesthertsmrs.org.uk/exhibition/

- which provides the information you seek.

CP

On 22/04/2022 at 17:32, Jack Benson said:

Montrose Bag Company makes an 81ltr kit bag that will accommodate the SMSBO17 layout.  They also offer to ‘personalise’ the bag. I might invest in one for Chapel Row

 

Kevin, I did read your comments, thank you, it is much appreciated.

 

StaySafe

 

 

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Please forgive the observation, but I do not think an SMSBO17 layout will fit in this bag.

Whilst the bag capacity is stated to be 81 litres, and therefore greater than that of the 77 litre Really Useful Box in which the baseboard would fit, the shape is different.

https://www.montrosebag.com/product/offshore-kit-bag-large/

CP

5 hours ago, fulton said:

I have exhibited layouts in Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany in the past ..... Could there be any problems transporting a UK layout to the EU and back again in a van, ..... Thank you.

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In the past I too have exhibited layouts a number of times in the EU - specifically in France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Germany. This was via Eurotunnel and using my own large MPV (in effect a van with windows and some seats removed if necessary). I never had any difficulty doing this up to and including the last occasion in 2018.

From what I have heard recently there will now be a considerable amount of paperwork to be completed - indeed so much as to make exhibiting in the EU from the UK impossible. As others have said the matter seems to be related to the need to demonstrate that one is not engaged in the process of importing or exporting.

CP

2 hours ago, Nearholmer said:

 

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One area where RM does slightly let itself down on the social history front is the lack of range in the adverts, which stick almost, but not quite, to subject. Old Meccano Magazines are better on that front, because they advertise all sorts of weird and wonderful things thhat give an insight into the wider life of the target audience.

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Agreed. Without checking my archive, I seem to recall as follows.

[1]  That MM had advertising for chewing gum including that it had once been used to plug a radiator hole during the Le Mans 24 hour race.

[2]  MRN had ads for Senior Service cigarettes.

[3]  RM was tame by comparison in offering 6 x 4 garden sheds.

CP

4 hours ago, Nearholmer said:

It’s noticeable that trouser-waists actually went round men’s waists (irrespective of the girth of same), rather than  being cut to ride on the hip bones, too.

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The significant factor was that such trousers were worn with braces rather than a belt.

And then in turn the braces covered by a waistcoat.

CP

21 minutes ago, 2mmMark said:

The average life expectancy in 1960 was just over 70 years so a death at 68 seems early from our 21st Century perspective of 80+ years but not unusual for the time.

Jack Ray's book "A Lifetime With O Gauge" has a lovely description of visiting JNM in the MRN offices in the 1950s. From Jack's description of JNM and his demeanour, he does seem like a true Edwardian gentleman. 

Mark

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This may be correct in terms of general life expectancy in 1960, but I could not help viewing it in comparison with my own grandfather. He was born in 1885 (and thus would indeed have been a young man during the reign of Edward VII) and died a few months short of being 90 in 1975.

Whilst I recall that (in the 1950s until his death) he usually dressed in a formal manner - soft collar and tie, waistcoat in the winter - he did not seem like an Edwardian relic. That JNM did - and I mean no criticism of him - was presumably a matter of his personal choice.

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