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Wasn't that pic in one of the Bradford Barton books?

Isn't that why they (Hattons) offer a pre-order price ? - and in my experience always honour it.

Mmm ! Interesting - when I posted the link it showed 12h (41m IIRC)..............

This is hopeful............. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Job-lot-of-Hornby-00-sensible-offers-considered-/161015165855?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item257d40739f

............and I bet that's someone else's fault as well. Couldn't possibly be the driver.

Are you sure that's wise at your age ? Until you put a new door in, can I have a pound for every time you bang your head, scuff you back, or knees or generally curse ? I'm gonna be a rich man

How are you gonna get in the shed, John?

Probably the warning horn ?

I'm not sure how "In the case of an observed failure" equates to suggesting "road users should 'stop, look, and listen' every time they come to a crossing on the assumption that it MIGHT not be working". One thing of which I am certain, is that in the case of recognising rather than ignoring the warning systems that are put in place to communicate increased risk, I will do what I can to minimise the potential impact to me and others. An example is sounding a car horn when approcahing a blind bend; which our highway code also recommends........and how many people do that?

Hello Adrian, You are correct 'Train hits car' is describing fact but to remain in the context of 'wot I rote' earlier :- "Train hits car............" Almost always inferred to be the fault of the railway because there's an opportunity (at AHB crossings) for a car driver to weave around them. The subtext of a media article (intended to be represented by the '........' ) needs to be considered and I'll wager that most media reports will refer to previously aired safety concerns about crossings, or it's the nth time its happened in the last x years. In the case of an observed failure (of the intended operation) of any equipment, surely a greater proportion of the responsibility for safety passes in part at least to the user? - if only for self preservation. Road markings at level crossings e.g. box markings, double white lines, the application and maintenance of which is required by law, all indicate the presence of a hazard for the benefit of the road user. The intent being, I assume, to heighten awareness, and give the road user an opportunity to assess a variaince in the level of risk, compared to say the 'open road' and act accordingly. This might mean slowing down, opening the window to better hear surrounding noise (approaching train perhaps ?) or even stopping and checking whether it IS safe to proceed. All too often these aids to self preservation are not acted upon or even recognised. "Train hits car" - I wouldn't describe it any other way; though I would refrain from drawing irrelevant comparisons of the type that change the objective statement of "Train hits car" to the subjective inference (or statement) that 'level crossings are the only root cause of the problem' Editted for at least one noticed misspelling.

Not at all, quite simply that when the train hits the car................. ...........the car is where the train has the right of way. Unless of course it's as a result of a SPAD incident. Edit for 'car' read road user

It shouldn't be necessary to close them, just to reduce tthe risk to an As Low As Reasonably Practical (ALARP) level, and if that includes transferring some of the responsibility to the user, by e.g. warning signs then so be it. Just because there may not be any signage telling you not to do something - and that's definitely not the case with Level Crossings - doesn't mean it's ok to do it and it won't be your fault. If a user of anything, level crossing or otherwise, percieves a risk with which they are not happy, they, as humans, have the rational ability and more importantly responsibility, to weigh up that risk and take an alternative course of action if needed - even if that is initailly as unpalatable as waiting 2 minutes for a train to pass a crossing What some of the human race really need to do is to start taking responsibility for their own actions and self preservation and stop assuming that there will always be some else to blame.

What really gets my goat about level crossing incidents is the way in which they're reported by the media. "Train hits car............" Almost always inferred to be the fault of the railway because there's an opportunity (at AHB crossings) for a car driver to weave around them. Almost never inferred to be the fault of the driver for not obeying the rules of the road, or indeed self preservation for that matter. I have only ever come across a scenario once where there was obviously a problem with an AHB crosiing, one barrier up, one down red lights flashing big queue of traffic - so what did I do - picked up the phone to report it to the signaller and then watched as others simply drove across. Even drivers with passengers didn't ask a passenger to 'get out and look' first - abrogation of their responsibility to the safety of the passenger(s) methinks.

At one time IIRC the definition used to be: Amber (traffic light - 'cause a railway signal is 'yellow') = Stop Red = Wait Subtle difference, but a highway code question that was asked of me when taking my PCV test (some time ago).

The green model in the Bachmann display at York appeared to be painted on the 'viewing side' only...................

...........and my most recent Deltic ? A Heljan model (to be 9002), Loksound decoder and a 'proper' speaker.

Running Bear - Johnny Preston

Well Said.

Hattons Excel ! Order placed by 'phone yesterday approx 16:00 Parcel arrived today before 14:00 Pleased - you bet I am.

One man's junk is another's treasure...........

Which 'certain diesel' ?

So John, You're currently legless I take it ?

I agree - reminds mi o' mi' yoof.

Me Myself I - Joan Armatrading

That was why the 'eh?' - couldn't see a common word.