DavidH

4 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

We know the IP/CADs for N gauge Shark and 'King' have been bought by KR and they are moving towards production so that's accounted for just about everything and that ties up neatly with the received sum of £2,300 in the liquidator's report.

Or ... we don't know and it doesn't tie up neatly, not if as reported earlier in the thread the two locos were the Class 71 and the Austerity. I'm confused where this "other site" got this information from, however.

15 hours ago, Geoff Endacott said:

 

Is it morally correct to spend your spare time building model railways when you could be volunteering at your local hospital?

 

Geoff Endacott

Strawman!
 

Also, a totally unfair topic to introduce, given the myriad ways that people can be helping others at the moment, or might still be working, or might actually be unable/unwilling to leave home. It's not a game of "my way of getting through the crisis is better than yours", regardless of being irked that someone might still question your decision-making after you thought you'd explained yourself.
 

David

On 05/02/2020 at 22:58, Les1952 said:

 

I like the GWR streamlined smokebox door, but it looks more Raj than steampunk overall.....

 

Les

I don't know what the current steampunk scene majors [sic] on, but ten years ago, if someone wasn't a Martian time-travelling explorer it was odds on they were something out of India, particularly the "3rd Foot & Mouth" people. There is still a website, although I am not sure they've done anything since 2012.

On 08/02/2020 at 17:08, Oldddudders said:

Well, that should have successfully disposed of any goodwill people were offering you. 

 

What a pity the disagree button was removed.
 

2 hours ago, HonestTom said:

"punk" the rebellious low-life aspects

I had a long argument more than a decade ago about the "punk" bit, as UK steampunks back then (and as far as I can see, now) rather embraced the class-based version of steampunk, rather than the rebellious aspect. Witness the number of suddenly-titled people, the number of Majors, Sirs, Ladies, etc., or the number lady-/gentlemen-explorers.

The other thing - the steampunks I knew ten years ago largely only bought stuff they could wear or carry to events. The number of people decorating their houses in the steampunk style was very small in number, small enough to be remarkable. Have things changed much? I don't know.

That happened years ago Eddie ... just not in railway modelling!

13 hours ago, truffy said:

... steampunk is more than adding cogs to things.

 

Hornby's 'steampunk' range may be popular, and good for them if it is. But if it fails, would it be because that there isn't a market? Or, simply because Hornby may have failed to judge what the market might actually expect?

That is also what I thought. As "steampunk" events still, for instance, offer tea-duelling, which was a fun but limited idea first mooted over a decade ago, I am not sure that the market itself really knows either. Every steampunk I knew had a slightly different idea of what the scene meant, which can't be a helpful start for a marketing team!

My guess is that Laurie's creations will find a more enthusiastic market in the fantasy wargaming/sci-fi sector than with steampunks, but it will be fascinating to see where they take the range, if the response is felt to be encouraging enough to commit to new mouldings rather than modded existing ones.

This lazy idea of sticking cogs on things and calling it steampunk was the reason I dropped out of steampunk after few years (having been there at the first three "Asylums" in Lincoln).

But that was more than half a decade ago. Surely Hornby have their finger closer to the pulse than this?

Why should being born at the time have any bearing whatsoever on your ability to see a correct shape or other details in a model?

Must be one of RMWeb's Handy Bluffer's Guide to Dismissing and Discrediting People With Ideas Different to Your Own:. #1 "rivet counter", #2 "why don't you risk your own money?", #3 "the wheels are the wrong width anyway", #4 "are you a customer?/you're not a member of the society", #6 "you weren't born at the time" ...

Presumably quite a few people will, after receiving the model, rush to create unboxing videos/blog reviews, so there will be quite a few, as you have it, "armchair experts" with the model in front of them as they relax on their comfortable chair of choice whilst typing on a portable electronic device.

Anyone else want to write an essay pointing out how they were invited to an exclusive presentation and the rest of us weren't? 

Glad you had fun people!

33 minutes ago, blueeighties said:

I don't think a spell checker  would go amiss here.

Absolutely. And a sweeping edit to remove all the anger would help too.

If he works six days a week as a carer, and one at the autocoach, how does/did he have time to go to exhibitions?

30 minutes ago, Mike Harvey said:

There was an H0 scale model of the French wagon produced for one of the industry partners involved in nuclear transport (NTL). From memory the one that used to sit in my office was a trade gift from Bombardier.

If it meant to operate on layouts - can it go round corners?

It's all down to GDPR - he can't share his company's list with himself

10 hours ago, rockershovel said:

The real point about the maps I posted, was to demonstrate that they are, indeed, specifically EU policy. Look at the headers; they are public domain information from that source. This was to refute Mike Storey’s assertion that this was in some way “imaginary”, by citing a source.

All you've done with the maps is show that they are hosted on the EU website. Could we have the actual links to see if there is any paperwork with them that presents them as policy, rather than factual information to assist planners and decision makers?

1 minute ago, RedgateModels said:

Yes good point, although as you say if the customers paid for ep2 then why did the sample shown to Revolution still have errors?

Because it was never done - the money raised wasn't enough to pay for the requested changes, so it was simply refunded and the work never carried out?

26 minutes ago, ian said:

Mainly a very thick cab roof and not quite right around the nose. It was, by all accounts, a sweet runner.

On the other hand, according to "adb968008" a page back:
 

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DJ did post some videos on youtube, it ran... kind of, I recall it needing nudge and stalling on points.

The videos have been pulled but were here..

https://djmodels.co.uk/product/class-17-clayton-locomotive

 

52 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

Still hoping the Class 17 will see production one day but the more realistic part of my mind says the tooling is destined for the melting pot...

If there is tooling.

Is there anything on the metal bases, linked to above, that proves they are what they are identified as?

1 hour ago, Richard E said:

 

But a directors guarantee supported by a second mortgage on the house is supported by that claim. The second mortgage doesn't mean he has borrowed against the house but has put up his equity in the property to support the company. The lender and the guarantor sign a mortgage deed that means the lender has a claim on the equity in the property if the guarantor fails to pay up under the terms of the guarantee.

 

The bottom line is that, in all likelihood, there is a lender out there with a second mortgage over DJ's house.

The "David Jones" creditor line on the statement of affairs says nothing about director's anything - is that significant, or is it always assumed that because the named person is a director then it is a director's loan/guarantee?

16 hours ago, Covkid said:

The recent thread mentions by various people of what Dave did or didn't draw in terms salary, expenses etc are interesting, but something I haven't seen mentioned is the house that Dave told us he had (re)mortgaged to support his company.  He suggested at the time that the proceeds of the mortgaged property were supporting the development of DJM, so unless Dave either sold the property, or repaid the mortgage, that would still be a liability for him or his relatives to repay presumably ?  

Mentioned it a month ago:

In short, Dave doesn't appear to have said anything about mortaging or remortgaging. Or at least, I can't find any statements to that effect.

12 minutes ago, njee20 said:

deposits from new funders were needed to provide the funds to fulfil the older orders

Did these older orders make it into production? I think the J94 and class 71 were already in production, one commercial the other "crowdfunded" although backed up by batch orders from model shops, so by the time the King, 92 and then APT came along there was very little actually in production. I'm not sure where the Mermaids fit in this, I thought they were also a commercial release.

In retrospect, it's perhaps a shame Dave had a entire part of the forum to play with exclusively until he'd properly proved himself, as the multiple threads and product announcements probably gave an appearance of a manufacturer with more clout and worth than he warranted at the time - and is obvious now. But hindsight is indeed wonderful and I'm sure a lot of people would do things differently now - especially the ones with multiple APT deposits in limbo.

On 04/07/2019 at 09:12, The Stationmaster said:

 

Make your way via this link (which has been posted previously in this thread - several times) and chose whatever one you wish to to look at.  The Statement of Affairs - for what it's worth - is at the top of the list and every year's micro accounts ...

Thanks Mike However, I posted a screenshot from it ages back ... my confusion was why someone would direct us to companies house when that was what we were discussing. It's this cursed writing thing, it doesn't do nuance very well!

Unfortunately I saw no image (and can still see nothing except an unclickable link)! It did seem like a strange thing to ask ...

34 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

Any merit in crowdfunders voluntarily stating on this thread what they paid. This might not capture everybody but would give an idea of a minimum amount.

 

I'll start off. Paid £250 via PayPal to DJmodels. That got refunded, then I paid £250 again August 2018 for a 14 car APT.

Merely a suggestion, but if it's really necessary (and is allowed under site rules) do it in a separate thread - things like this can result in pages of data that are difficult to wade through.