DavidH

Am I right that you can pay people using your PayPal balance, without incurring those fees? Maybe he discovered too late that the factory wouldn't accept PP for work done. Goodness knows why he didn't start the whole thing with a proper business account and secure payment online though, instead of coming to the idea far too late (well, it seems that way).
 

If only Julia was still on RMWeb to put the record straight.

As an aside, regarding the "Dave has mortgaged his house" claim. (Bold text is added to quotes from DJM subforum below.)

"The OO gauge J94 has all my money ploughed into it from my house (putting my money where my big mouth is)" (DJ, 8 Sept 2013)

"I'll lose my house (literally) if that scenario came about" (DJ, 17 Nov 2013)

"Soon after my leaving [Dapol], I decided that my path for the future was clear to me and started DJModels.

With this announcement came the realisation that a great deal of capital was needed and as such, owning a house and living in another, I capitalised on this and sold the property to allow my dream to become reality." (DJ, 22 July 2015)

"...those that have an axe invariably never have the sphericals to put their house on the line and do it themselves, and merely comment from the safe sideline. There are words for that type of person." (DJ, 16 Sept 2016)

At the risk of being that type of person, has the house been remortgaged or sold?

Is the third one the real truth - it seems a quite complicated and specific story to spin if it isn't, when previously Dave had been happy for everyone to assume he'd lose his house if the business failed. (Of course, maybe it's more complicated: one was sold and the other remortgaged. But Dave doesn't say that.)

I noticed from searching for house on the DJ subforum, that after the first claim of "money ... from my house" (see above, 8 Sept 2013), everyone leapt in with variations of he put his house on the line for us. This then morphed into the popular idea that he had remortgaged it. Dave has never written "mortgage" or "remortgage" on his subforum.

Incidentally, Dave saying he had put his "house on the line" follows about three years of some RMWebbers using that phrase.

So, in conclusion, maybe we don't have to be fearful that he will lose his house? ... or at least, lets wait to see what the accountants come up with, in case it is a fiction that we created?

It's been a stick to berate critics with since 2013, I think it's about time it was put to one side.

1 hour ago, Damo666 said:

If what you (Zoopla) estimate is correct, he's risked his:

Family house.

That depends how the money was invested in the company? It is a limited company so he would only be liable to what he had invested or guaranteed to the company.

If the house wasn't collateral for the company or Dave hadn't taken money out of the company other than as a salary, I think he would only find his house at risk if he or partner were unable to keep paying the mortgage.

At least, I hope that is the case.

1 hour ago, MarshLane said:

I would make it clear, that in no way, will I expand on, or reply further to anything contained within this response, so please do not ask

And then go on to make veiled accusations at people who can't respond, such as:

1 hour ago, MarshLane said:

it has been forced on him in recent weeks by a third party in the UK

1 hour ago, MarshLane said:

 Dave had already commenced proceedings in recent weeks to recover money from the China factory

1 hour ago, MarshLane said:

if two organisations had kept their word

Rather typical of Dave's recent communication style: accept some responsibility for the situation but make sure everyone knows you did your best but were pulled down by everyone else's perfidy.

4 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

I am not sure that is true. Before he left RMWeb, I am sure I remember Dave commenting that he had remortgaged his home to startup DJM. My memory may be fallible but I don't think it is fair to assume that Dave won't have lost anything out of all this.

He did say this, and it was repeatedly used on here to silence critics. But it depends what everyone thinks his house is worth. According to Zoopla the house is worth around £100k. Still not what crowdfunders may have risked on the company.

12 minutes ago, wellseasoned said:

Has anyone managed to make phone contact with either Dave Jones or the Insolvency company appointed. Personally I would not relish contacting D.J. at this time, but my C.C. company have asked I try to do this before they open up a case for a refund under section 75.

I sent an email seeking clarification to Dave's business inbox in the morning of the 4th. I've had no answer.

Here, I believe Phil Parker has had communication with the insolvency company.

On the N gauge forum, "Snowwolflair" contacted and had a reply from the insolvency company, and apparently follow up messages.

49 minutes ago, spikey said:

 

Good grief!  I must have missed that.  Can some kind soul please point me in the direction of the relevant post(s)?

It's already been answered.

55 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

C.Gregg

 It's CG&Co, at Greg's Building. There's nobody called C.Gregg :-)

16 minutes ago, AY Mod said:

It's correct that the HMRC are at the head of the queue, but just behind the insolvency practitioner's costs.

16 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

Unsecured creditors

These include trade creditors, suppliers, customers, contractors, some staff claims, plus HM Revenue and Customs. Prior to 2002, HMRC was ranked as a preferential creditor, but the introduction of the Enterprise Act reduced their status to that of unsecured creditor for all forms of tax.

These contradict each other.

Following that announcement, has anyone here asked for their money back?

On 01/06/2019 at 11:16, adb968008 said:

Two pages of speculation about this O gauge print could be ended quite quickly by someone following this link...

https://contact.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?FindAnswers&redirect=0&iid=273863732215&requested=designerdashtowels

Embarrassing 'mansplaining' posts could also be avoided by reading prior pages on this thread

5 hours ago, chris p bacon said:

Honesty In business is a valuable commodity, and being open to questions is a boost to customer confidence. I don't think you've got off to a good start (in some areas)  but it is not irreversible.

Putting a name and maybe the business address in the signature in every posting would be a good step for me.

To find out KR means Keith Revell you have to go to the website (which has a.co.uk address by the way despite not being resident in the UK) and click along to About Us.

It's not trying to be mean, it's simply trying to find out I might be dealing with.

1 hour ago, Damo666 said:

Or an earlier version on the model's development timeline?

... from the previous factory?

Dave got the 3D print done over here - somewhere there is a post from him about looking for someone to do it.

Everyone's thinking about theft and ownership; I looked at the address and thought maybe this chap helped Dave out with his smaller 3D prints, and this was part payment. Nothing dodgy at all?

Maybe "the announcement" was not aimed at who we thought it was aimed at ...?

40 minutes ago, MGR Hooper! said:

 

Definitely made from the CAD of the DJM Class 92. Quite a few things actually point out to this and confirm it.

 

- cab roof profile (the incorrect cab roof profile).

- roof detail (matches CAD images and the previous 3D printed sample)

- body-side grilles (matches his previously shown 3D printed samples)

- last and most obvious, DJM's design for the tension lock couplers.

And three switches on the underside of the fuel tanks. Does the Hornby one have those? And the bumps for the gears under the bogies. They certainly aren't from "reverse engineering from the real thing".

Adrian on Model Rail Forum mentions the door and window issue: "These doors are interchangeable with other stock which shows up markedly on the later Bulleid coaches which had deeper non-door windows than either type of "Shorty"."

But that's not the same type of coach

5 hours ago, trevor7598 said:

I'm not sure where Hornby obtained this piece of nonsense from.

The horizontal cover strip under the windows was added as the panel welds began to split.

This did not involve any alterations to the window size.

Elsewhere on the internet (Model Rail Forum) there is a posting from Adrian Swain, who has confirmed with Mike King that the corridor side windows were slightly shallower after the beading was added.

So running with that idea, this means that whilst he was in China, he presumably found out nothing that he felt his crowdfunders would be interested in. Quite an expensive trip to deliver nothing of note.

Fingers crossed that isn't the case - hopefully, as I write this, he is drafting out updates for all the models, to be sent out later this week.

9 hours ago, KR Models said:

 

The comments that I took offense at were against my credibility as a person without any evidence.  That had nothing to do with the GT3 project.

From a personal credibility point of view, it would help if your real name was in the signature of every posting.

12 minutes ago, JSpencer said:

 

How were the orders placed? If via e-mail, it should have been possible to figure out what was ordered from them. Via a platform, from that. Both of those are not affected by hard drive failures.

All my data (mostly digital photoes from holidays etc) exist at least 3 times, once on a PC and twice on 2 hard drives (with a small "best" selection online).

No idea, sorry. I wasn't defending the issue, other than to point out it wasn't covered by GDPR back then.

Don't forget that the NThusiast issue over the hard drive predates GDPR by quite a few years. Still unlucky/incompetent not having a back-up, but it's important not to get too hung up on the idea of illegality under legislation that hadn't been thought of at the time.