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I wonder if Hornby are deliberately trying to undermine Hatton's initiative?

Hi All Here are four more mysteries from my collection. The question for all is "what and where" (for 7 & 9 its also "when"): Photo 7 is plainly GWR pannier passing what looks like a disused station - possibly hauling a Mk1 brake non-compartment? Photo 8 looks like some sort of loading platform and / or coaling stage. Is that water bottom right? Date is given as 26 June 1969 Photo 9 may not even be UK. Look at the profile of the carriage windows etc. Photo 11 is Britannia 70024 and dated 22 June 1967. At that date, according to brdatabase, "Vulcan" was a Carlisle Kingmoor loco but the landscape looks a bit flat for that area?

SO Photo 11 not Sharp Stewart but actually built at Brighton Works November 1874. AND a location for photo No 7! Fascinating stuff. Many thanks

Thanks guys. Great and very helpful replies. It looks like the Electrotren for the Fox Walker but must be the Hornby B2 for the Italia. Like most of us I seem to be building up a stock of "I must make that some time" locos and kits! Currently in line are the Q from Golden Arrow and a generic saddle tank from Budget Model Railways (which shall be fettled into a side tank). That's aside from half a dozen Parkside and Dapol wagon kits and couple of 009 coaches/vans! I really want to do the Italia first as its close to the HC 1604 that is being fettled at the Mid-Suffolk Light Railway (Middy). The B2 at Monk Bar may well prove irresistible! (£74.99 in the sale at present). I'm afraid I had some brain freeze when mentioning the Caley conversion. My comment there can politely be classed as "tripe-a-graphical error". Sorry Poor Old Bruce. Its actually a Caley 782 that I'm using the Nellie body and Dapol A1X chassis for. It will be a "reasonable representation" rather than an accurate model - as the tanks are too short and there really nowhere to extend them forward. Out of interest I attach photo of that "work in progress". As indicated I have got the Electrotren chassis working really well under my Plymouth & Devonport 757 - but only after getting the weight up to 185g.

Hi All I'm quite taken by some of the Hardieshobbies loco body kits - especially the Hudswell Clarke Italia outside cylinder 0-6-0T and the Fox Walker 0-6-0T. I see the former is intended to sit on the Hornby Peckett B2 chassis and the latter on the Electrotren 0-6-0 chassis. In both cases you have to buy the original Hornby or Electrotren locos as the chassis don't come up by themselves. The B2 is generally about £90-£100 while the Electrotren is generally in the £50s. I really want to do the Italia first as its very similar to the Hudswell Clark No.1604 that is being restored at the Mid-Suffolk Light Railway where I volunteer. I'm thinking there aint much discernable difference in the wheel size/ spacing/cylinder layout between the two chassis. So maybe I can put the Italia on the Electrotren chassis? I'm fairly confident that I can fettle either chassis into either kit as I've used the Electrotren chassis with a much modified Jinty body to form a presentable Plymouth & Devenport 757 class 0-6-2T. I've also put a Hornby J15 chassis under a Triang R1 body (detailed); and a Dapol A1X chassis under a much modified Triang Nellie body to get a presentable Caledonian 812. I know people rubbish the Electrotren but, with added weight (ideally to total 185g +) my 757 runs very well on my Peco streamline track and electrofrog points despite its larger profile flanges. Can anybody comment on the respective sizes of the B2 and Electrotren chassis: length, wheel spacing, cylinders, motor size etc?

Hi All Fabulous response! That nicely pins them all down - even photo 7. Having looked at the GNR(I) A class pic on the edited great central response, I'm convinced it is a GNR(I) class A. People seem to enjoy looking at these interesting pics and the challenge they sometimes present. If its not getting all too boring I'll put some more up.

Another batch of unknowns from a job lot bought at auction. I'm finding it fascinating to locate and identify these: Photo 7 looks vaguely Irish to me (on the basis that the locos further down the line look pretty well GNR(I)) ? Photo 8 looks rather Caledonian to my eye. Photos 9 & 11 are F Moore's Railway Photographs but, try as I might, I cannot identify them for certain. No. 9 looks Caledonian to me. Aggravatingly I have found photo 11 on a website - but it just calls it loco and train! Any ideas what/ where/ when?

Thanks Phil Think that puts this one to bed too. Certainly seems to be Longdown looking away from Perridge tunnel direction.

Thanks to all who have responded to this. We seem to have put Nos.7, 8 and 9 to bed fairly conclusively: Mortonhampstead and on the Exeter to Moretonhampstead branch and Heathfield on the Teign Valley line. These make total sense. Other photos from this job lot purchased at auction include Chudleigh Knighton and Perridge Tunnel both on the Teign Valley line - previously identified by Jeremy C and SD85 (see my earlier topic "Unknown Locations"). Interestingly we concluded that these latter photos were taken from and autocoach. Re: photo 11: Having done some checking (now that I know what/where I'm looking) I think I agree with Darryl Tooley. The layout of the end of the shed (entrance and windows) and also the location and design of the water tower (incuding the clock on the end) certainly look like the NER Leeds Neville Hill shed. That leaves some mystery still surrounding photo 12. The Teign Valley line sounds likely for the reasons stated above - so Longdown looks probable?

Hi Everyone Please see here a batch of photos that I seek information about. Photos Nos.7 and 8 are obviously GWR or BR(W) autocoach trains - but where and when? Photo 9 may well be the same. Plainly GWR or GWR origin - but again: where and when? Photo 11 looks to me like a GWR shed. Am I right? In any case where and when? Photo 12 is from the same batch (all these had "16" pencilled on the back in the same hand) so I'm thinking it must be GWR / GWR origin - but again where and when?

Many thanks guys.

I bought the negative of the attached picture some time ago - probably in the period when I was trying to get a picture of every engine shed I visited in my youth. But I've lost the purchase record and can't remember what the location is! Probably Yorkshire? Can anybody help?

Hi Joseph Many thanks for the info. Any idea what class of loco this is? I have s e arched 30-312 but get nothing.

Thank you Sir Douglas! Certainly fits your assessment. Now I know what to look for its is definitely the Locher system with a box-like structure where the engines gear wheels cut into the sides of the rack. Also note that the Pilatus Railway was privately fianced by Eduard Locher.

Can anybody help me re the two photos attached? The first photo (which I have marked "1") is plainly a rack and pinion railway. Is that France also? If not, where? The second is plainly Normandy, France as it says "Direction Des Andelys". Andelys is Normandy, France. The loco number is plainly 30-312. Looks like an 0-6-0T. But what actually is the loco? All I can find would suggest that it is a Crampton - but I doubt that as that loco was built in 1857! Don't know when the photo was taken but think it is pre-WW2. Its a Jerome Ltd photo postcard stamped 10 - 27.

You guys never cease to amaze me! Fabulous research by all - especially SD85 and Jeremy C!

Thanks guys. Much appreciated! The links supplied are fascinating indeed. une expérience fascinante

Hi All Does anyone know what the beast in the accompanying photo is and/ or where/ when the photo was taken? It displays the logo "NORD" on the side and (I think) "ZZ52" (could be ZZ32) on the front corner. Seems to run on two 8 wheel bogies. I thought "NORD" must mean France - but I think it may be for "Trenord" which is Lombardy, Italy?

Hi All Two more from my files. Two photographs from the late 60s Both photos show what looks like a 2-6-4T hauling 5 or 7 plank wagons and hoppers. I would say they both look like Fowler 4Ps but the photos are dated 13/2/68 (No.6) and 14/8/65 (or '69) (No.10) and the Fowler 4Ps in England were all gone by '66. So maybe Irish Northern Counties Committee WTs? Different locations? Maybe the crane and the bungalows beside the playing field and river in pic 10 might be a clue?

Hi All I feel we're getting somewhere - albeit slowly! Agreement on NBR N15 and probable pre-war (the dating would fit with a number of other photos in the job lot - some of which are dated a round 1937. Picking up points made: There is indeed a flagpole on the end of the building; The steeple / spire behind the engine is not Glasgow University. The tower in the picture has too much vertical face above the corner points.

Thanks to all. The little grey cells are beginning to work! Photo No.4 does indeed look a lot like a North British N15 in profile. Any thoughts about the style of what looks like a goods shed? I think the lattice girdar bridge certainly carries the tracks over something more to the right of the road bridge. And photo No. 5 fits Andy Kirkham's thoughts re coach, track and loco. Loco looks a lot like Lough Erne or Lough Melvin. Don't think it is one of the NCC Jintys. My understanding is that they were merely re-wheeled to NCC gauge and no other cosmetic or other changes made. Therefore the rear cab window shape would be wrong for a Jinty. What about the station in the background, the wagons, and what looks like a bridge girdar kit between the tracks?

Hi all Two more from my collection of mysteries: Pic 4 looks to me a bit like a Western pannier? Are the windows in the coach broken or is that just a reflection? back of the photo is written "462" and "17/6/64" Where is it I wonder. Pic 5 looks like a goods shed on the right. Might even be Ireland (NCC)? Nothing whatsoever on the back of the photo. Can anyone help me with loco/ class/ location?

I see the "maybe" etched crest referred to by Johann Marsbar: centre of the window to the right of the front sliding door. Looks like a circle with some sort of crest at the top. Picture is not of sufficient quality to see better when zoomed up. I've now searched loads of tram pics and can't see any that had a crest in the position. I also see BET preovided trams for loads of towns. But logically this pic should be from one of the places that show up in the r ailway photos that were in the job lot with this one.

Hi All Definitely looks like a tramcar. With your help I can clearly see that. Also, with the help of Adam88, certainly looks like the lower deck of a double decker - with the BEC brackets. Did BEC build for Isle of Man? Agree with Sir Douglas - this would be best moved to the tram section. How do I do that?

Hi All Another pic from my "where/ what is this" file. Some sort of balconied narrow gauge or tranway coach in store/ under restoration? Red and white livery. I'm thinking it may be Manx Northern (as some other pics in this lot plainly are) - but I'm hoping someone may recognise the location or even the actual vehicle.