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3 hours ago, melmerby said:

Different times.

In those days trains were slower, 

...although you had to keep well clear of the platform edge when a BoB or WC went through at full tilt...!

Absolutely not condoning the behaviour - but how times change. I seem to recall that during the 'Flying Scotsman Goes South' tour in 1966 our local station was so packed with sightseers that the train was held up for quite some time while people flooded over the tracks. I remember the porter trying to get people back on to the platforms so that the expected service in the opposite direction could pass....

Even though many engines in the 60s were absolutely filthy, I've always thought that models which have been 'heavily weathered' just don't look as realistic as more lightly weathered examples. I'm aware of colour scaling effects - do similar rules apply with weathering?

7 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

Too late! Already a reference to IP rights on A Nod to Brent.

 Oh.... nooooo.....!

Enough...enough already! I'm going back to my usual territory and reading 'Little Muddle'. 'A nod to Brent', 'Castle Aching', 'Bleat Wharf', 'Sheep Chronicles', 'Cwm Bach', 'Hembourne'. 'The Farthing Layouts' and a few others, where I feel much more at home. Then I'll do a bit of modelling, and maybe look in again in a week or two and see what the final outcome of all this is...!

Oh dear. I might be in the minority but I am actually quite concerned for DJ – he must be in a pretty bad place right now, and I think his announcements must have reflected some desperation.   I do hope he can sort all this out and consolidate his business into something smaller and more manageable, and something which plays to his strengths. The guy must be very hard working to have turned out the portfolio that he has. I only have experience of his 14xx, but I thought that that was really very good – if only he had realised  at that stage that there were some engineering limitations in his designs and then gone for a much more limited range of highly detailed wagons and the like and built the business up much more slowly ...it just seems to me that he over extended himself....

.... and DJ, if you read this, take a couple of days off and get some R & R...!

2 minutes ago, jjb1970 said:

My prediction is Bachmann or Hornby will ignore this, wait for the threatening letter to drop through the letter box then tell DJ that it'll be tested in court. At that point it's time for DJ to sh*t or get off the pot because he'll need very deep pockets and if the case goes against him he could risk losing more than he can afford to lose. Which is exactly why one of the bigger companies will do it.

I just keep thinking of a certain film....

The few that do turn up second hand seem to be very expensive. It might be worth contacting Lightmoor Press to see if they can be encouraged to do a reprint as they did for 'BR Steam in Dean'.  I would buy one!

1 hour ago, dibber25 said:

Have you noticed that, on the box illustration (at least of the KESR model), the hex nuts are smaller than the coupling rod boss, while on the actual model, they are bigger than the coupling rod boss. I wonder which got changed in the production models, the rods or the crankpins? 

Yes, same applies with the late black. Such a shame - just compare  the setup with an 08 and you can see that Hornby can do it if they really want to...

57 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

 

 

Hornby of course won't mind me not buying one of theirs because plenty of other people will buy it because they're either not as finicky as me or they haven't read Edwardian excellent detail information about the class and his summary of one particular Hornby model.  Sorry Hornby but 'it's good enough and people will buy it' doesn't appeal at all to me as the 21st century rolls forwards.

Yes well said Stationmaster. I have one of the Hornby ones, and while it is good - it is just not quite there; for me, those Hex nuts spoil the look of  the whole thing. The next one will be from Rails.

An odd suggestion though for anyone who like me has a few of the old '20th century' terriers laying around - stick a circle of second radius on a bit of chipboard and pass a terrier on to the grand son/grand daughter - you never know what it might lead to...!

On 11/03/2019 at 15:46, JSpencer said:

 

 

Now I am surprised to see you say the new cannot run as slow as the old - though maybe it is early days and the new is not run in yet. It is a safe bet that the Rails version will use the same design of drive as the Dapol B4 was is almost unbeatable for slowness. 

Now run in and much better. I should have realised - the running characteristics of the new terrier are almost identical to those of the M7. 

How appropriate that the April Railway Modeller should have a picture of Gordon and Maggie Gravett's superb O gauge '32636' on the equally superb 'Arun Quay' on the front cover!

1 hour ago, JSpencer said:

 

The old are indeed rugged even compared to the Hattons P or Dapol B4, however both of the latter newer models will run slower and quiter than the old terrier (and I got my old ones to run pretty slow and quiet). The old had a big 3 pole open frame motor, even in Dapol days, which was exactly the same motor that replaced the X.03/X.04s in the Jinty based chassis locos that Hornby did from the mid 80s onwards. Only the old terrier had a 50/1 gear ratio and sprung centre axle (removed on the last Hornby batches of these models).

Now I am surprised to see you say the new cannot run as slow as the old - though maybe it is early days and the new is not run in yet. It is a safe bet that the Rails version will use the same design of drive as the Dapol B4 was is almost unbeatable for slowness. 

OK I think I need to clarify my earlier post a bit. I've been out in the shed and compared the new terrier with my Dapol B4, and the B4 is certainly more controllable at lower speed (DC). There is absolutely nothing wrong with the terriers general running  but on my setup the terrier seems a bit overeager, and to control it at the very slowest shunting speeds you need to make very fine movements of the control knob and there is a slight tendency to stall. I'll give it an hours run, and see how it does with a coach or two.

4 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

The old version still looks better than the Dapol O Gauge version that I saw in Ian Allan a couple of weeks ago.

 

Basic doesn't even come close. just look at that chimney for example.

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/150291/Dapol_7S_010_010_Class_A1X_Terrier_0_6_0T_W9_Fishbourne_in_Southern_Railway_green/StockDetail.aspx

 

I think I'll wait and see as I think people expecting the Dapol one to be vastly better are in for disappointment...

 

 

Jason

Surely Hattons could have found a better example to photograph - or are they all like that?

9 minutes ago, JSpencer said:

 

The old are indeed rugged even compared to the Hattons P or Dapol B4, however both of the latter newer models will run slower and quiter than the old terrier (and I got my old ones to run pretty slow and quiet). The old had a big 3 pole open frame motor, even in Dapol days, which was exactly the same motor that replaced the X.03/X.04s in the Jinty based chassis locos that Hornby did from the mid 80s onwards. Only the old terrier had a 50/1 gear ratio and sprung centre axle (removed on the last Hornby batches of these models).

Now I am surprised to see you say the new cannot run as slow as the old - though maybe it is early days and the new is not run in yet. It is a safe bet that the Rails version will use the same design of drive as the Dapol B4 was is almost unbeatable for slowness. 

Yes point taken - my half dozen terriers are all quite old and a bit noisy, and indeed I have replaced the motors in two of them. They run very well if you constantly maintain them. The new unit is a little beauty though  and does run very smoothly if a little faster than I was expecting  -  if anything it may be time for me to upgrade  my controller and (gulp!) switch to DCC. ..

47 minutes ago, JSpencer said:

I just love the photo comparing the old and the new. Makes the old look like an overscale giant when it is itself quite a small model.

 

 

 

There is of course a sort of ruggedness about the old model - the new one is far more delicate. The most noticeable immediate difference is the height of the side tanks and buffers. The old model is geared to run much more slowly than the new one (edit - and has a degree of compensation on the middle axle, which the new one does not have), and for that reason I am sure it still has a place on many layouts.

Arrived this morning, and pleased to say it is a smooth runner straight from the box. The overall proportions are good - much less bulky than the old model. A few cruel closeups:

Email from Hornby   "Great news! Your BR, 'Terrier', 0-6-0T, 32636 - Era 5 (R3768) Pre-Order has now arrived at our warehouse and will shortly be prepared for dispatch."

Very Bradford Barton...! Wonderful stuff!

10 minutes ago, RedgateModels said:

 

and critically they don't carry the rechargeable batteries

...nor it seems much else that I am looking for  - searched for dpdt switches and it asked me if I meant 'dust'...

2 hours ago, jazzer said:

I have just done a bit more research and to my surprise I discovered there were over 40 N7's still on the books in 1961, mostly at Sratford I think, 

My apologies if this has been mentioned before - I haven't been right through the thread - but there is a British Pathe film of various N7s meeting their end at Stratford  at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5Cy6NqUkQ

Good close up views of some of the details.

Well I see what you mean, but both versions look good IMHO. The wife thought it was real until I pointed out the lack of track....

33 minutes ago, chuffinghell said:

 

Thank you, I’ve put a bit of Matt clear over the plate in an effort to reduce it reflecting the light

 

seems to have done the trick and blended it in a little better?

 

 I wish I knew what I was doing 

8 minutes ago, chuffinghell said:

Have I over done the weathering on the number plate?

No.

Well I think the clerestory looks superb the way it is - I don't think I have ever seen a better excuse to apply rule 1!