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I also saw the 6TC and 33/1 on the Kenny Belle before the end of steam. It had to run round as the p/p gear didn't work so the driver told me.

Havenstreet Bridge is 13'6", so only suitable for lowbridge buses and single decks.

My first thoughts were Acton Wells, but the absence of third rail said no, then realised it was Neasden. Shed staff at 1A had the habit of chalking things on locos around that time, at one time maybe a couple of years earlier there was a loco on shed at 1A with an Esso cardboard tiger tied on the front. Remember the "put a tiger in your tank" campaign?

yes, driver at each end with loco pushing. But then you'd need a secondman on the Kenny Belle to uncouple and couple up for the run-round. Not the guard's job on the SW except in emergency.

yes of course, memory fade, it's a long time since I worked on them.

As others have said, the 09s were equipped purely with high level air pipes to enable them to shunt EMU stock. No ETH was required pull or propel a 4TC. If an 09 was used on the Kenny Belle as Becasse says, then it would have been pulling, unlikely to be pushing. That would require a driver or passed man on the loco and a driver or passed man on the 4TC plus the guard. there would be no light or heat on the 4TC and with the 09 limited to 20 mph that was well within the timings in those days.

As I've mentioned on here before, I had a visitor round a few years ago to buy some 2nd hand stock. He looked at my layout and commented how good P4 looks. It is actually 00sf planned out with Templot, that is in my eyes what makes the difference, just having the track flowing. As they say, forget the width, feel the quality (or something like that).

Pinched from a thread on Face book, does anyone have any info on this 6 wheel generator van? the cinema coach next to it is apparently a LNWR sleeping car and was preserved at Quainton Road. Maybe the only 6-wheeler to carry the blue-grey livery as well!

On the locos we used on New Annington all had Trix pantographs. We even fitted a couple of Hornby 86s with them. None gave any trouble. All could be clipped down if adjusted properly. A couple of the Lima 87s had scratch-built willis Brecknock pans, they worked as well.

Then I suddenly realised I'd used a bit of Code 100...doh!

Thanks. Air brakes were't "the norm" when they were introduced. I seem to remember the first modern stock with air brakes only were the Freightliner wagons. there was a n open day at Willesden in the mid 1960s just after the juice was turned on to London and we were shown the new Freightliner depot at Willesden. The tour guide told us they were so smooth riding that a fitter sent his mate in Manchester a spanner on the bar coupling and it was still there when the train got to Manchester. BS or fact?

Rail head dimensions as in the prototype surely is the same width? Therefore scale FB should fit the same track gauges as bh rail is what I'm getting at. But it doesn't. It seems I'll have to buy new gauges just for the fb rail. At the moment I'm just experimenting with how easy it isn't to hand build fb points compared to bh points soldered to pcb sleepers. Extra filing time compared to extra threading-chairs-on rails time.

On my EMU course in 1978 we went to Grove Park to learn the Kent Coast electric stock what the trainer had done to the train I can't remember, but it should not have been able to take power and move, but move it did! Somehow the depot shunt driver managed to reverse the unit into the shed with virtually no air in it. We were to say the least surprised.

Thanks Martin, I was thinking of rail head dimensions.

No, there's no mention of DR shed there. I've recently read the 1912 book a history of the Metropolitan District Railway, a bit boring in places but very technical when it came to building the line. There was a small loco facility at Edgware Road.

Remember there was a carriage shed facility next to Scrubs Lane where the E* depot was built. It was used for servicing DMUs when I started train spotting in the early 1960s. My scoutmaster worked there on the DMUs. Maybe this is the one referred to earlier?

The earlier picture I saw was maybe on the BROS group on FB, I remember posting my picture from 2020 under the 1920s pic of the same bit of road. The railway track along the side access road was fed by wagon turntables; those tracks ran under the station to the other side where I assume there were more wagon turntables a nd a wagon lit to the track level upstairs. Maybe we ought to start another subject on Broad Street, London's neglected terminus.

I got a similar motor from Banngood for about a fiver! It was almost a straight fit on the turntable spindle but i haven't got round to screwing it to the turntable base and have now "lost" the motor! I remember turning down the output spindle of the gearbox to 4mm to suit the Peco turntable shaft and locked it on the flat with a metal sleeve with a 10ba screw in it. Mine works with a similar 3 way DPDT switch with centre spring bias.

What rail would you good people suggest for fine scale OO flat bottom track that will match OO scale bullhead rail? I've got some Peco code 75 from old bits of track but the b/h gauges don't fit the rail head.

The end photo in this link seems to show a vacuum pipe by the left buffer. MAT90100 = 426A MAT Cartic 4 @ Stanlow 81-09-20 � Paul Bartlett w

The photos of the Cartics shown on the links above clearly show a Cartic set with a vacuum pipe on the end which is why I mentioned it.

I remember building one of those in about 1968! A chap from the MRC fitted Romford wheels for me and painted it. I don't know what happened to it, maybe sold or part-exchanged in the early 1970s.

Than't fine John, I'll let you know when I find them. I'm certain the bogie is somewhere close to hand. I've seen it in the last few months.

Yes the Triang model used standard Freightliner bogies. Re vacuum brakes, were the Cartics ever dual braked? As far as I'm aware they were through piped for vacuum but not fitted. There doesn't appear to be room under them for a vacuum brake cylinder. You can certainly see air tanks under them in Paul Bartlett's photos. The vac pipes visible on the end have the metal pipes painted white indicating a through pipe. when I built my Ks Cartic back in the day I used a very fine chain for the safety rails which is what they were on the prototype. Where I worked in a model and toy shop very fine chain was available for ship models. I may still have some of that around as well!

I had/may still have mine. I bough them many years ago and tried modifying one of the end cars to make a centre car. I'm certain I've got a built up spare bogie somewhere. Back in 1982-ish I got a bit of "industrial injury" money from BR (another story) and used the money to pay Ks (by that time in Banbury) to make a kit for the new VGA wagon in plastic. While I was at their factory I asked Melvin Keyser about the Cartic. He told me the history of them which Hayfield details above and he showed me the original moulds I asked him about doing a run of them as there was a lot of interest there in the current "modern image" stock. The moulds were very basic being made from brass and not designed for a long life. He tried a couple of test mouldings for me but reckoned they were not worth proceeding with. I contacted Hornby about supplying their plastic Cartic bogies and they would have quite happily make a run if I wanted 5,000 of them. But with the Ks moulds being beyond further use I decided not to proceed with that project and carried on with the VGA kit which sold about 5000 I think. I still have the receipt for the moulds somewhere. I can't remember what buffers were used on the Ks Cartic, if I find mine I'll let you know. I've got 3 Black 5s in various stages of build, a Beyer-Peacock tank, an Adams Radial and a Q1 in bits if anyone's interested. Maybe a couple of LMS 2-6-4T locos too. I'm having to clear out a lot of part-built things.