Beatty 139

Just wondering if someone can advice of the correct roof profile for a siphon J, I have been requested to build one, am I right in thinking the roofs are built to metropolitan loading gauge?

Erm..... I would be happy to offer some assistance and would look to have my trade stand for the larger gauges (1&3) but with a model business a full time job and an 8 week old daughter might find being an organiser one challenge to far, I broached the subject with one of Chasewaters directors today who happended to be a funeral of the later general manger Steve Organ who sadly passed away a few weeks past, and they would be open to supporting this and making the heritage centre and site avalible.

As an already established Industrial Hertage railway, in the middle of the England with good road and rail connection, it's an option as was being discussed, it ticks several boxes.

I've just had a discussion with one of the Chasewater directors and they would be happy to play host to a one day event.

Turbo cad has some issues and glitches when it comes to producing files for laser cutting and for that matter other tasks that go beyond printing.

 

The main issues with TC and laser cutting are Arcs if you can see the line or not most cnc programs will and say you try to cut the end of a wagon it gets very frustrating when the machine cuts a full circle instead of just part of arc that's the roof edge, TC know about this and hopefully it's resolved in the latest version.

I'd agree it's an attractive idea for a 1-day event, but suggest including narrow gauge industrial also which will expand the potential market as a fair number of us cover both SG and NG industrial modelling. Also why not include 2,3mm, & intermediate scales up to 10mm/foot? There are some out there.

 

Dava

There are some fine industrial modelling going on in Gauge 3 as well.

 

I'm sure that it would be well supported by the trade.

 

Chasewater might be happy to host as a venue, the heritage centre is a good sized hall, excellent catering, good access by road and public transport in the middle of the country and scope for a marque if needs be.

Railway carriages and wagons by Sidney stone has a set of drawings on the last two pages for a 10'6" wb large cattle wagon (21'9" on) from the Holden era

Thanks very much gentlemen.

Any idea when steam finished at DL?

Nick.

As far as I am aware last two steam locos with BSC on former DL system was Cyclops and Beatty, neither had seen traffic use for a number of years Cyclops haven been in the apprentice school and Beatty spare to two planets at Dock st site, or so I was told by former staff, the were officially off the books in 1974 although Cyclops was on long term loan to Tanfeild and ownership was transferred more recently.

That's a later boiler originally only a single water gauge and try cocks, the science museum used to sell of poster of the coloured GA drawing for many years.

Steve Foster has produced his 'Fosmotors' in Gauge 1 for some years now and very successful they are a simple solution for powering locos and keeping body space clear for batteries, RC etc.

These are three units fitted with to a model of the Armstrong whitworth universal 1-Co-1

That's interesting as most pregrouping companies and industrial locos are RHD I wonder why the W&L were on the left.

Having looked through Paul Bartlett's photos there is a whole lot of variation between them, two Swindon built examples are shown one WR and one built Swindon for the ER of the type in the film, they are defiantly on purpose built underframes unlike some of the others. I'm surprised that they hadn't got a diagram, I might need to see if I can fined a earlier diagram book from the 60's or early 70's the one photo of Paul's is dated 75 and it looks like the one jib is removed.

Sadly I don't have an option of using other people cranes as I model in Gauge 1 so have to work a careful balance of rivet counting over presumed detail.One thing I have to say I loved from the film was the fact they were hand cranked for the slew, it's a scratch build job all the way for me except for the bogies in most likeliness.

We're working on it, but they're both quite elusive!

As a brummie loco might have to see if we can get it to Chasewater first! Having had the pleasure of the one at the NTSR when I volunteered up there back in the 90's I can say they are mighty fine locos, in fact possibly the ultimate industrial ever produced for the Uk, self cleaning smoke boxes, hopper ashpans, rocking grates, double beat regulators about the only thing they were missing was electric light oddly, a real dream to drive and fire and very willing.

I had a look through the '350' diagram books but they both look too modern for the cranes in the film, and a lot of variation between them, as they have DW departmental numbers would this suggest they were built by the GWR as if they were BR built wouldn't they be DB or did that come later?

The Southern one looks like it has two standard coles Diesel electric cranes and I presume two drivers, it's the WR one I'm keen on especially at it matches my current stock and would make an excuse to build a PWM!

Thanks for that some starting points, and some numbers to look at and see what I can dig up, hopefully somewhere there will be a Diagram for them, and someone will have a departmental diagram book, knowing they were built at Swindon might help as well.

Victor and Vulcan were from Austin Motor days, Steel Company of Wales running numbers were 401, 402 & 403.

 

401 is with the North Tyneside steam railway/Tyne and Wear Museum Service and was Vulcan, the third one went from SCOW to NCB and was dystroyed in normal NBC style, where as Austin ones were kept in good order.

Looks much better in its Austin livery, taken by my dad with the North works in the backgrounds

Just wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction for drawings, information and photos for the WR track relaying crane in this film.

 

 

I have never seen one quite like this and it would look really well with my PWay stock I have built up.

Been actively working on this on and off over the last couple of months to get this right, a new daughter arriving into the world has caused some delays as may be expected but following some commercial work another thought has come to mind so I will update once I have tested the next bright idea.

Sadly I got involved in putting the twin disk torque converter back into a Thomas Hill this afternoon so by the time I had made it to the Museum at Chasewater the lads had locked up and gone home, if it helps anyone I will get some pics and dimensions off some of the Peckett plates in the collection next weekend.

I haven't been on RMWeb for over 12 months due to undertaken a complete house refurbishment, the kind where the only thing I haven't done is to take the roof off or replace the walls.

 

I comecially produce lasercut kits for the larger scales and found out a long time ago there were issue with laser cutting thin plays to the point where we worked with one of the major importers of birch ply to get a supply of birch made with interior grade glues, the importers or Hanson ply woods in Halifax and the contact is Mike Healey, the should be able to advise who they are supplying. They stock 0.4, 0.6, 0.8, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 3.0 and thicker it's a perimum product but it cuts reliably time after time which is a bonus.

 

Hope that helps

Andy

Gauge 3 work to one standard if you fancy something a bit bigger without a scale issue, it's one of the few gauge/scales that don't have a legacy from Henry Greenly.

Hi Jim

They might end up as a commercial product at some time in 1/32 but as I build live steam mainly all my personal modelling is in 10mm scale to match my loco's and I like to have stock to match. When I purchased my last laser I specifically acquired a machine that could produce coaching stock as a future option.

 

Your sides look very effective, both methods get away from the very flat sides of an etched coach that doesn't convey the depth of a real vehicle side profile.

I have been completely rebuilding a new home from the ground up for the last 18 months so modelling has been very much on the back burner, unfortunately came down with a stinking cold that wasn't conducive to building works in winter, so I have had a few hours with the computer and Mike Williams excellent Caledonian Railway Carriages book, I have been meaning to get my head around building coaching stock for a while and other than some NPCS just haven't got around to it.

 

My though was to build some 45" stock but well why not be ambitious so this is the result from a couple of weekend work.

 

I first build 1 1/2 compartments to test my ideas

 

So far so good i though but to help with interior finishing I really wanted access to the interior, this is a problem as i would much prefer to fix the roof in position so I had some change of heart and made the floor removable with 8 M2.5 screws to fasten it in place.

in G1 a Grampian at 65' long really is big, another issue I had in the test section was the thickness of the sides getting a little out of hand some some changes in materials has brought this back closer to scale in total the sides are laminated from 7 layers of ply giving both interior and exterior details.

One of the last jobs was to test cut and engrave the windows these are in 1mm acrylic and have been engraved with the Caledonian's pattern of smoking signage.

I have some warm white LED's arrive today that will hopefully allow me make and fit the roof.

 

One of my last jobs to finish the body structure then will be the seats I kind of hope I can find someone to design this in 3D cad for the squab and back then get one printed and cast the rest in resin. I can see the buttoned texture of the seats, arm rests etc being quite a challenge especially as i only have a really basic knowledge of 3D design myself.