Beatty 139
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In my case it was the NBL built MAN, although when we looked closely at it, it was in very good order and like new.
Someone did once say it had been rebuilt for the museum at great cost.
As it is the engine has been trouble free but the final drive that gave the trouble with a crack in the casting that has needed attention.
Chris who owns it also has the Brush Bagnall and that has a National in it, he has fully rebuilt that power unit and has had to source parts from across the world, had to have parts adapted from other engines etc. All possible but all at a cost that few are unwilling to spend on just a industrial.
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Looks like the real thing
I do wish my mate would put it back in NCB livery, he always said he would keep it as an NCB loco after I sold him it many years ago, it wasn't a loco I was particularly keen on but came as a 'job lot' from Nottingham sleeper company, Unfortunately, he sold it on and it ended up in the very odd shade of BR green, he brought it back again a couple of years ago so lets hope next repaint it goes back to proper colors.
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Thanks for that and I have sent you a PM I don't think I would fundamentally change the construction, but it will have to change how it's powered, I would look at using three 'fosmotors' these are basically nose hung traction motors as per the prototype. The loco will also need to carry batteries and Radio receiver, one advantage will be that all the running gear will be below the footplate.
I will post as it makes progress but to have it running for Warley should encourage me to make some progress also with the AGM show I will have a chance to stock up on all the supplies I might need.
Andy
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This is one of those threads I don't know why I missed before, just excellent modelling, only wish I could find my copy of the AW book!
I think this might be my next G1 project, I just need to see if it scales up and how the thicknesses work out in the closest Rowmark thickness that can be cut on the laser. the 20thou will become 0.75mm and the 20 either 1mm or 1.5 as 1.25 isn't available or some combination of the two.
Wonder if I can get it together to run at Warley!
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Scottish engines are popular in Gauge 1 live steam thanks to the designs of Paul Forsyth.
My Dad's NBR B class and My West Highland Extension Railway signal box
Andy
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For sometime I have been working on sourcing thin ply, 0.8-3.0mm more suited for laser cutting than the normal aircraft grade plys that's currently available, as I am sure you will know normal laser ply 3mm upwards cuts great with little burning etc but as soon as the resin glues in the aircraft ply gets involved the edge burning inconsistant cutting etc.
From January Hanson plywood in Halifax will be stocking finish birch ply with interior glue, I am awaiting some samples to confirm the impovement in cutting, I should just say I have no relationship with them just thought it would be useful to share the information.
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The OPC class 52 book on the westerns (sorry I don't remember the full title) has all the fonts, and correct spacings for letters, numbers back plates etc.
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I was aware of the couplings on the Ironstone locos, It was the Hams Hall Power Station one that stumped me as I have worked with a couple of City of Birmingham Electricity Department locos in the past and no sign of anything like that.
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This is a copy of the official photo of one of a batch of ten supplied to Hams Hall Power Station!
Mark Saunders
This is a copy of the official photo of one of a batch of ten supplied to Hams Hall Power Station!
Mark Saunders
Any ideas how these wagons were worked with the knuckle couplers at Hams Hall?
No sign of special drawgear on the Peckett's or the big RSH's so did they have translator wagons?
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If your not aware Trotec now do there Troply in 0.5mm thick which is there 'own brand' version of Rowmark it's handy as the 0.75 is a bit clunky, all us modellers could do with convincing them that they have a market for something a bit thinner still say .25mm
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If you know of the access to the Enginner magazine via the Gracies guide web site there is quite a lot of information on this kind of plant.
I would suspect there is a large gas engine somewhere nearby most likely generating electrical power, these large gas engines were not ideal for running off the mains gas supplies so most ran off suction gas plants. Without a date it's hard to match the technology on show. Most production of chocolate uses steam for the process in the various boiling pans etc. So I doubt such a gas plant would be used for anything other driving a gas engine.
From what I can see the main large cylinder in the centre of the photo is the reactor the tall induction pipe rises from it with a water trap at the top, the pipe then drops and I suspect the large vertical cylinder on the left is a wet scrubber.
Hope that all helps.
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I think you will find that thus is a producer gas (or water gas) plant, with associated scrubber etc. Nothing to do with casting at all.
Most likely to run a large gas engine, I understand that Cadburys generated there own plant voltage as the main boiler house was more than just steam production.
Andy
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Chasewater was another recipient of ex Cadbury wagon and have an 8 Ton L&Y van they have in the museum building. I am aware that the museum have a number of Cadbury drawings including the engine shed, they may not be museums but a private members, but if you contact Barry Bull the museums curator he should be able to advise.
Andy
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I should say I have a vested interest in these locos as I used to own the one now at Chasewater, having purchased it from the Nottingham Sleeper company who had acquired it at the Chatterley Whitfield disposal auction some years before, its been through a few hands since, but I know the current owner for many years.
The Judith Edge kit looks a grand job as usual but my chosen scale is 10mm/ft and although Michael has done a couple of kits for me in the past from 7mm up to 10mm i don't know if 4mm up to 10mm would be feasible as a simple job. I am sure Michael will comment if its possible and I will be digging deep into my pocket!
As I am just finishing off my little SCW 18T Planet (another loco I used to own) the NBL would make another nice project for my railway, especially as it has plenty of space for the batteries and on-board radio control.
I was even so rash yesterday as to have gone and ordered the wheel casting!
Andy
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Some time ago Railway Modeller had a drawing of 330 hp NBL, but I have not been able to track a copy down, could one of you good gentlemen point me in the direction which issue it was so I can try and track a copy down?
Many Thanks
Andy
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Here is an aerial shot of Silver Street (KIng's Heath Steam tram) depot as mentioned by Beatty139 earlier: (Post #82)
The slightly lower section is newer but the tall gable end of the original building behind is still discernable.
There were two car sheds at right angles, accessed directly from High Street (not along Silver Street!)
The track would have passed through where the corner building is now situated.
Keith
As a quick aside on this same area, what I remember as the MEB shop on the corner (I work in Moseley but avoid the traffic hell that Kings Heath High St is so can't say for sure what it is now) had for many year one continuous linked ownership.
It was the original steam tram waiting room, which then got purchased by the Corporation at the end of there lease, as it was no longer required as a waiting room it passed to the City of Birmingham Electric Supply department as did all the private electricity generation plant from the tramway companies, then on Nationalisation of the Electricity industry it passed to the MEB, which when privatised and the yet another historical asset of the City was stolen from its rate payers and given away to foreign utilitys, it became something like an npower shop.
Its only in the last few years that store has lost that historic link back to its start...... isn't history great!
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I just had a good nose through the various maps on www.Old-Maps.co.uk the 1:2,500 are normally quite useful.
I would say that the WC's stand a chance of being contemporary with the Trams they are very much in the same style as those opposite the 'knob' at Alcester Lanes End.
But I would say that when any thing else ends at that site. following the sequence of maps you can see that the site is cleared then redeveloped with the church and hall. I do agree that the gates are most likely where the depot access lines where.
What is interesting on the 1916 1:2,500 map a rough fan of sidings are shown off the end of the turning triangle head shunt, on the meadows at the side of the river Cole, a few years ago I could have asked great gran what that was all about but with the march of time those who would know are no longer with us.
Any one else have any ideas?
Andy
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Sorry to add some more!
Walsall Depot, looks like the Tram shed may still be there, now as an industrial Estate since West Midlands travel shut it as a garage.
and a gem of the West Midlands, The 'South Staffordshire Electric Tramways Generating Station' on the Darlaston Road, Pleck, Walsall, for many years the Chateau Pleck wine merchants, which always made me smile when passing the sign on the M6 if you know 'the Pleck' its main claim to fame are the Gas works and the young ladys who stood on the street corners around it!
I think that's my west midlands tram relic knowledge exhausted for a bit, although it keeps appearing out of the ground when road works are going on, I noticed quite a bit coming to light when the A38/Longbridge Lane junction was being done a couple of years back.
Andy
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There are other bits and bobs around the black country I did not mention.
Perry Park Road in Old Hill is possibly one of the largest Tramway earth works in the UK its a massive reverse curve climbing many feet, to avoid Waterfall Lane. A massive but short lived section of the route to Blackheath.
On the corner of Reddal Hill Road and Halesowen Road is the former bank building the last two window bays of the building is the Tramway Waiting Room.
While on the Dudley System, at the junction of Hungary Hill and Birmingham street is another odd little brick building with a bus shelter on the foot path, the brick building is another former tram waiting room for the Lye route.
Not quite tramway but I wonder if the Guided Buses Only sign is still up at the end of Streetly Road, Erdington, I haven't been past for a year or two, but was always amazed it was still there and not in someones collection, having been liberated one night!
Andy
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I have been recently been discussing this matter of 6w coaches on the Gauge 1 yahoo group and two clear simple options have been discussed.
Option 1
To form a truck from the two axles with a pivot in the center and leave the other axle fixed, it works well but is noted as having some extra 'drag'
Option 2
A simplified system to allow all axles to move.
Again one pair of axles are pivoted like a lwb bogie but the other axle is also pivoted and links into the first as seen in the image. stock runs well and freely even on tight radius curves.
Hope the suggestions are of interest, note both systems use inner bearing with the W irons axle boxes being dummies.
Andy
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A few more I am aware of in the West Midlands (or is it Greater Birmingham now?)
Bilston, opposite the Library and Craft Gallery on Mount Pleasant Bilston
The Fish depot at Amblecoat Stourbridge, now Laser Quest
Washward Heath Depot, where Birmingham's last Fleetline was roped in. Now clad over as an ethnic supermarket but still there underneath.
Kings Heath Car sheds, from steam tram days, the steam depot has gone but International Stock in Silver St is the Car Shed, you will need to go inside to see its history that its not a new structure.
Just as a quick note the Aston Manor car Sheds that used to be the museum until Birmingham city councils money grabbing F*** up still has the steam tram loco sheds and yards next door that are used as a car garage.
Hockley, now the new Bingley Hall, While it was still a bus garage you could still make out where the return wheel was for the Birmingham cable car, building has now been clad over so again history has been hidden.
Hope that helps the list
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Hi Andy, It's easy to scale up from 1/32 to 1/30.5 as the difference is small and thickness's don't need changing, only problem is the price goes up as it gets bigger, I tried an upload to Shapeways and it would cost over £300 just for the basic shell. How much would a 1/32 class 20 stick out amongst 10mm stock?
Hi Simon
1/32 wagons and stock with 10mm locos tends to look fine as do a mix of 1/32 10mm non coaching stock running in a train together, but to my eyes the issue comes from 1/32 locos on 10mm stock as you soon find that the stock dominates the loco not the loco dominating the train, I am not sure what the full set of parts would come out at but sound like it's on par with a brass kit.
A quick further question would be about structural strength would the body structure be sufficiently strong to carry the on board batteries etc.
Many Thanks
Andy
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A quick question, I have had quite a few of these since my birthday present arrived, I note that the Cameo is being driven straight from Inkscape can you drive it directly from AutoCad LT?
Regards
Andy
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Hi Andy,
When I save from Inkscape I choose mm as the unit as per Jack. I also make sure I have "fit to page" turned off in Silhouette Studio preferences.
Many Thanks
It was the fit to page that was causing me an issue, all i need to do now is work out why it appears to be seeing multiple lines when I know the original cad art work is clean.
One other question, the plotter is cutting the straight lines then curves as opposed to treating the whole shape as a pollyline is this normal or another setting I am yet to find on the learning curve?
Regards
Andy
Building a North British/MAN 330hp 0-4-0DH - JOB DONE
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It's the one at Chasewater, ex of a pair at a tin plate works in south Wales of which one I don't quite remember, but they were different to the SCOW ones in that they were to BR loading gauge.
Yes the 5 cylinder National is orignal, quite a lot of the 50's Bagnalls were national engined as the company was in the same group. for a start all the NCB Bagnalls were national engined, although Tilsley and Lovet made good trade out of droping Paxman RPH series engines, Hem Heath 4D WB 3119 had had thus done, but she pulled a liner so I know that's due to end up having a Dorman 6Q replacing the 4RPH. Almost appropriate when you consider that Bagnalls were purchased by W.H.Dorman just before English Electric Purchased Dorman Diesels for it's range of engines only to end up with a loco builder that id didn't really want... Funny how stories get retold the EE went out to take over W.G.Bagnalls....
Sorry if I let this drift even more off topic!