john new

Just having a look at exhibitions coming up and note nothing posted for a while about the Easter York Model Railway Show.

 

Perhaps some one connected with the exhibition can give us all a update.

 

I trust it's all on plan as we are exhibiting the club layout "Whiteacres" and my own layout "Alsone Quay"

 

Eltel

Lots going on behind the scenes. Website, and here, will be updated when the info' is confirmed and ready to report in public. If you follow our Facebook Page you will see we do post from time to time so are still active. Don't know about our other exhibitors but I know I am looking forward to it expectantly (SLS Stand and Admin/Help Desk team)

Unless a bus service from the station to the Racecourse is provided, I won't be going (the 11 doesn't count whether or not it is running).

Agreed regarding the 11 for 2017.  Regrettably after checking the latest timetable I found that the information we had on the route was obsolete and the composite York bus map is misleading. Thanks for the prompt to recheck First's website and I apologise for the YMRS website info' being inaccurate for a while.

Regarding buses we know the service bus options have a low frequency but there do remain service bus links to/from the racecourse (Saturday only) on routes 21 & 26 and our travel page has links to the operators website and/or timetable. Bus links section

I can't update regarding the 197 events link bus situation at this stage except to say options are being considered.

The team is well on with the organisation of the Show and hopefully will soon be publishing the list of layouts etc on the website.  We will let you know as things progress.

 

Peter

Now done as per Peter's prediction. More to come but the initial list is now up. http://www.yorkshow.org.uk/layouts.htm

Quick update on things relating to York Show for next year.

On the positive side the Advance Ticket Box Office is now open for postal or on-line orders (PayPal) and all prices and times have been held as per 2016. Links from our Facebook page or on our website at http://www.yorkshow.org.uk/advance.htm

Less welcome news is that the anticipated subsidy cut to the service 11 bus for Sundays has been confirmed by York City Council. Not yet aware of the Bank Monday timetable but last year it ran to the Sunday pattern therefore it is almost certain there will not be a number 11 on Monday either.

I posted the comment not in anticipation the YCC decision will be to support the buses but as an update on what is going on.

As a retired local government manager I know one of the biggest problems for buses is the passes (and I do use mine) because central government fails to 100% reimburse as they also fail to do for many other items. York is not alone, was planning to use a service bus from the suburbs into central Kidderminster a few weeks ago as a park and ride option, last bus back just after 5 so a non-starter.

As PeterL has posted, the committee will look at it and see what the options are for next year, but at least we are forewarned in plenty of time that the service bus option may not be there. It is easy to forget how lucky I am where I live with evening buses running half-hourly until at least midnight 7 days a week.

Reason for the early post is to give the latest news on the situation re the consultation process for the No 11 bus route and the 2017 Show. (Sun & Mon)

My personal response to YCC (their's to me below)

Having read the summary of responses I am dismayed to see that the point raised regarding visitors attending non-horse related events at the major venue of the Racecourse is omitted.

Smacks of decision made with no intention of amendment irrespective of what bus users might comment!

John New - Transport historian/photographer/writer - Twitter = @john_jnew

& Stephenson Locomotive Society Promotions Officer  - Twitter = @stephenson_loco & #stephenson_loco

From: buses@york.gov.uk [mailto:buses@york.gov.uk]
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 4:13 PM

Subject: Consultation- supported bus services

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for responding to our consultation on changes to council-supported bus services. Responses to the consultation have been used to inform a report by the council’s Director for City and Environmental services.

The report has been called in for scrutiny by the council’s Economic Development and Transport Policy Scrutiny Committee. As a result, the Executive Member Decision Session, previously scheduled for Thursday 19^th May, will now take place on Thursday 2^nd June.

Further information on these meetings, including the report, can be found on the City of York Council website:

• Economic Development and Transport Policy and Scrutiny Committee (Pre Decision Calling In) - Wednesday 18^th May

http://democracy.york.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=894&MId=9696&Ver=4

• Decision Session - Executive Member for Transport and Planning - Thursday 2^nd June

http://democracy.york.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=738&MId=9689&Ver=4

Regards,

The Transport Department

City of York Council

The SLS are pleased to report that our historic LNWR locomotive Orion, the only surviving operational Crewe built Webb Compound, will be in steam this weekend at Locomotion, Shildon.

Steaming dates for 2013

3/4 Aug Model Mania event - Locomotion, Shildon
21/22 Sep Steam Gala - Locomotion, Shildon

Latest information on the engine.

After the boiler certificate expired in 2011 the engine was displayed on the Society’s stand at the Warley MRC exhibition at the NEC and then (just like a standard gauge engine) was given a thorough 10 year overhaul.  Orion returned to steam during 2012 better than ever as operational experience gained with valve timings etc., was applied.  Orion is normally displayed at Locomotion, Shildon, and steamed during gala events.

An e-book (Free) covering the history of the locomotive is available on our website.

PDF format - http://www.stephensonloco.org.uk/Orion%20fact%20file.pdf

Ebook format - http://www.stephensonloco.org.uk/test_section/Orion%20booklet%202012%20edition.epub

I would also suggest joining a society that has a good reference library of material in both books and photographs etc. Whilst I am obviously going to plug the SLS (I am their PRO) as we have a vast archive of photographs and a good library there are other societies out there too.

Slightly puzzled. Just found a message saying this thread was deleted by the mods when clearly it is still here. Did the first post somehow appear twice or something like that which would explain the message?

Scorpion - thanks for clarifying re the 47 and 123 Units. Long time ago but i'm pretty certain it was a green WReg 47 as I didn't see many of them up in Yorkshire. Memory as to name however could well be fallible.

Was it 37408 "Loch Rannoch" by any chance? I have seen pictures of 408 at Weymouth in the late 80s, working Cardiff - Weymouths in 89 I think?

The 37 photo set must be on slide and inaccessible at present; however that name rings a bell. In looking in the prints album though I found a photo of another Scotty Dog livery engine working out of Weymouth not mentioned above - 47 657. The photo is of it on a late evening working near former Upwey Wishing Well Halt, probably on the evening Westbury train but it could have been the Saturdays only evening train to Birmingham & the NW.

Re Thumpers and tail load - didn't say they did, that working definately a WR based Unit

I was going to add this here but then realised that Is a thread for steam locos only so I've started this one for diesels/DMUs.

So a few from me to kick start the thread:-

1) Sorry don't know the exact year from the mid 1970s but a DMU expert will know when these units were transferred to Hull.

Waiting for my usual ex-Kings Cross evening train home from work in Selby to York on a dark winter evening one of the GWR liveried Class 47s went through going north with a string of ex-Western Region cross-country DMUs in tow as ECS. Memory is that the 47 was North Star and it was a long train, probably 3 x units. They must have been in transit to Hull to work the trans-pennine services as the units turned up working those services not long afterwards. Sorry don't know dmu class numbers but they were the one's with nose end corridor connections. No idea when or how the 47 worked back.

2) Seen more than once and somewhere I have a picture. A Trans-Pennine Unit running with a subsituted Metro Cammel power car on one of the ends (Class 101?) Seen at Selby and at Colton.

3) DMUs with a tail load van. When steam ended on the S W Main line in 1967 the trains that used to come through on Saturday mornings hauled by a Hall (Reading - Southampton semi-fasts I think) were replaced by DMUs towing a Siphon bogie van as tail load. Unfortunately I can remember the vans being on the back but not which class of DMU except noting they weren't the usual Southern thumper 11xx or 13xx types than ran tnrough to Alton etc. so would have been WR based examples. Location for these sightings Shawford.

4) Early June 1986 (Probably 2/6/86) - Went to Weymouth to meet my mother off the afternoon DMU down from Bristol. The DMU must have failed somewhere up country as it was hauled in dead by a 47. Sorry no other details recorded.

5) Scotty Dog liveried Cl 37 working service train out of Weymouth. Have photo somewhere. It was the evening loco-hauled train back to Westbury for stabling. Would have worked the Westbury - Wey - Bristol - Wey diagram earlier in the day.

6) Northern Rail liveried Class 158 recently seen at Weymouth (no photo) but probably just waiting new livery after lease change rather than an odd working.

Hope these help with prototypes for unusual workings you might want to model.

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Yes it was the route of the Sand Hutton Light Railway.

Another line that is no longer with us. Regrettably short lived and long gone.

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Local to me so easily recognised, Poole, Dorset.

Give me time to find the right map and I will add the next one.

I have patience and the only thing I have to think of is that I only can use waterbased paints and glues

Hi Job

A wash over with diluted PVA allows you to then paint a model with watercolour paint even though it is made in materials that otherwise wouldn't take watercolour paints. I dabbled with this technique for a few months about 20 years ago now after I found it out by accident. After ballasting with the usual 50/50 PVA to water mix the ballast went green, I tried watercolours to get track colour back and it took to the metal rails, the dried PVA giving it the necessary key/barrier coat.

The 3 or 4 models I tried the technique on for weathering at the time still exist and seem to have survived OK although I cringe now looking back at what , fortunately only only applied to one Dapol kit, that I then thought to be reasonable weathering to end of BR steam condition.

So priming with dilute PVA should give you the opportunity to then use acrylics on the figures.

Not sure if already mentioned - skips and portable buildings. (I would be up-scaling to 7mm).

I have been looking around today on-line at the photos of 0-4-0 diesel shunters I could find to see if I could spot anything remotely like it, or references connecting the model with a prototype, and failed with anything specific on both counts. Therefore I have now come to the conclusion it probably is a totally freelance item, unlike their GWR style pannier tank from the same range, albeit with some resemblance to real items.

However that said I have also been through my own photo archive and as well as the sloping cab windows on Ruston's mentioned by BernardTPM in the post above Barclay used the raking window style too. The two photos of mine below are of 0-4-0 Barclay's seen at Dunster (West Somerset Rly) back in 2007 and there are some common elements. Although clearly these Barclay designs are not the prototype for the Matchbox model they give some credibility to the sloping window cab style and other design elements. So as it was used by two builders I may retain that raked window feature now in the conversion job.

Also note that although on the real Barclay in the upper picture there is a set of steps below the cab doors (missed off the Matchbox) there is also the off-set rear end set present as per the Matchbox model, so that having a rear end set on the model isn't wrong placement, although at first glance it looks it, it is the other set that Matchbox left off.

That they copied design elements from the Tri-ang dock shunter also has some credibility as the 3rd loco in the range looks very like the Tri-ang Nellie/Polly/Connie model. (Who owned the Matchbox range in that time frame?)

Thanks also chaps for the answers above, forgot to add that earlier.

(Posted edited after original posting - John)

Thanks for the clarification Andy.

It means that the WIP one that I was thinking of for finishing/entering is ruled out (it has already been mentioned on here as started) as is the second option as that too has already had the concept mentioned on here too.

So project (3) which has had nothing done on it whatsoever previously other than some thoughts in my mind when passing the actual site local to me of "that could make a nice model someday" is likely to be advanced.

Sounds a good challenge to me small and affordable and I've already got an idea or two.

Your model can be static or operational and is not limited by any geographical or era boundaries.

Two queries -

1) scenic area to fit the box size of max 20 x 11 x 11 for the judged area no problem. However if you chose for it to be operational does it have to be a completely self contained submission, i.e. can it be designed so that other modules or a completely separate, detachable, off site fiddle area/loco train cassette system or similar can be fitted without that surface area counting?

2) Can it be something that is already work in progress or does it have to be a totally new project?

Personally I don't mind either way but I'm sure I wont be the only one likely to want to know so I've asked now to avoid confusion before designing starts.

I deliberately DID NOT add the photo earlier only a link - see the forum notes about copyright on images.

Paul

I wondered if it was just based on the dock shunter model too.

unnamed person, pseudonym = industrial

A google search for matchbox shunter brings up many, many links and photos. Not got a photo of mine on line but this is a link to one online already

http://www.toymart-store.co.uk/matchbox-1-75-24e-diesel-shunter---ab-2354-p.asp

Hopefully dropped into correct forum area - please move if not.

I am thinking of using the engine hood part of the body of one of these to make a freelance miniature railway style diesel shunter for an O9 layout. I do have a query though, however stretched and manipulated the Matchbox model body is, was it based even loosely on anything actually made? I ask as my knowledge of non-UK diesel shunter prototypes is limited.

It looks like it will mount fairly easily over the Mintrix BR livery (but no British prototype) N Gauge shunter. New cab needed for certain but the hood doesn't look too bad.

Edit (1) - photo link added retrospectively -

Not got a photo of mine on line but this is a link to one online already http://www.toymart-s...--ab-2354-p.asp

Edit 2 - The N gauge shunter may be a Lima one not Minitrix.