Hunslet 102

1 hour ago, Type 2 said:

St Enoch was a terminus station, built by the G&SWR, later LMS.  The 'north'  lines went over the Saltmarket & Glasgow Cross to meet the NBR (LNER) lines out of Queen Street Low Level at Bellgrove which gave access to Airdrie/Bathgate and the High Level Edinburgh and West Highland routes at Cowlairs

 

The 'south' lines went over the Clyde to link up with the CR (LMS) Kilmarnock/Carlisle line out of Central at Strathbungo, and at Shields Road where the CR (LMS) lines from Central to Paisley/Ayrshire/Clyde Coast merged.

 

I recommend looking at the NLS website for an idea of the railways that Glasgow used to have

Thank you very much Type 2, much appreciated and very informative. Thanks for the NLS link, great following the railway lines on it that were once there.

Am I right in thinking that Buchanan Street was also a terminus station and that the line met the line out of Queen Street in the tunnel?

3 minutes ago, pH said:

Gilmour Street, St James, Canal, West and Abercorn (at least) were all active passenger stations in Paisley at some time. Plus some passenger stations built but not opened and several goods/mineral depots.

Wow, thanks, I didn’t think Paisley was that big!

9 hours ago, Legend said:

oh yes , pairs of class 37s in these days . They fair shook the station when they went through . Not sure Paisley Gilmour Street is ideal layout material if doing it prototypically . You would need a lot of space and there was no real shunting /marshalling , just trains passing through .  Latterly we did have 27s and 47s on the Stranraer trains with these multicoloured Sealink coaches  and the stock of the “night rider” passed through on the 17.12 from Glasgow to Ayr commuter express for a bit of variety . 
 

Paisley Gilmour St was a great station , and still is architecturally . One of the great things about it from 1977 on was it had McKay Models below it . Used to pop in for magazines and catalogues . 
 

If modelling Paisley I always thought Canal St would be better bet  , with its adjoining freight yard .. Class 101/107/116 on the Kilmacolm trains , with these 37s occasionally going the long way round to Hunterston 

 

Good nostalgia thread this one . I can just remember steam trains on the Gourock line , Mum always giving me the choice of going on steam train to Central or Diesel to St Enoch ( she was probably pretending I had a choice and we ended up getting the first train anyway) . I remember when the first blue trains arrived . I wanted a model of one and for Christmas got the Triang- Hornby AL1 . Well it was blue and had three windows at the front . Bliss to a 5 year old who didn’t know anything different ! 

Anyway, going off topic myself, was St Enoch a through or terminus station. I know the lines north went to Queens Street, I assume those south went to Central?

One of the NIR 70 class sets also received that Sealink livery!

 I have heard about these blue trains, was there something special about them 

5 hours ago, pH said:

 

 

Anyway, this topic is supposed to be about Queen Street 🤨.

Haha pH, I know, but I really enjoy the nostalgia and the memories it jogs for those contributing. Very enlightening and informative for me also, for instance, despite living in Scotland for over 30 years, I never knew Paisley had another station other than Gilmour Street!

12 hours ago, kevinlms said:

I lived in Bishopbriggs 1968 to early 1972 and remember the DMU's running past my school and also push-pull trials. Only extremely rarely caught the train, because in those days, the station only had a couple of trains stop in AM peak inbound and again PM peak outbound. So had to go on the bus to central Glasgow.

I believe I still have some pocket timetables from the period. Don't know where at present, so I'll have to look for them. Might take a while to find!

Thanks Kevin, would be interested to view a timetable if you found them!

30 minutes ago, Matt said:

For me it was I think 101s in from Lenzie. As a small child I recall fast trains thundering through (early days of 47 PPs around 1980 I assume) and the excitement that a real train may stop and pick us up only to be disappointed when a dmu appeared in the distance. If memory serves correct I think we once had an HST stop and pick us up due local service being cancelled but this might be my memory playing tricks.

 

as an add-on, mum used to reach the end of her tether with us boys scrapping and would take us to “Lenzie sidings” to watch the trains and get some reprieve. I suspect this was actually Cadder Yard and I recall little blue diesels (25/26/27?) shunting wagons around and keeping us entertained for a bit.

 To this day she can’t fathom what got me interested in railways…!

Nice one Matt! Cadder yard, something I have been doing research on since starting this thread as I live very close to it! Check out Cadder yard on the Railscot site, might bring some memories back for you! At least I can have some freight trip workings on a mainly passenger layout!

20 minutes ago, GordonC said:

 

and all the iron ore and coal MGRs thundering through for Ravenscraig too

That sounds like a train spotter’s paradise and a modeller’s paradise for such varied stock! Probably more in the reach of a club layout than an individual modeller!

4 hours ago, Legend said:

Never knew about these NIR units . But yes very similar with cab at one end !    
 

For me going to Glasgow was always by multiple unit , either by 303/311 emu if that was the first train into platform 4 at Paisley Gilmour St or by 126/107/101 if the first train to Glasgow was Platform 2 . That’s why these units hold an important place for me . 

Yep, get that entirely Legend. 
Gilmour St must have had some varied amount of trains with both electric and non electric lines passing through the station! 

37 minutes ago, Legend said:

yeah that link suggests they are back in stock again . Reasonable price for rtr too . Yeah keep us informed Hunslet . I actually have the kit but as with your progress “don’t hold your breath” 

Yes I really like these units, maybe because I was brought up on a diet of railcars (dmu’s)  on NIR! Ironically, they are very similar to the BUT units that ran on NIR at the same time, below are a couple of shots of a typical NIR 3 car set, cut and shut with an MTK full driving end. I think the similarity is what has hooked me!

Thanks GordonC for highlighting Silverfox and thanks giz for supplying the link.

Thanks again Legend for your input, it would appear from the link that giz put up that they have listed the DMUs again with the body sides and cab ends available. Probably the route I will choose with suitable donor coaches, although I throughly enjoyed looking at Signaller69s posts. Cutting and shutting a 6 car set is some task, although I intend to follow his instructions for the Thompson buffet coach to try and recreate it.

I will keep you informed of progress, although don’t hold your breath for anything quick!

Hi all, again!

I have been very intrigued by the Swindon DMU’s that operated the Glasgow to Edinburgh service up to 1971.

I assume no one has ever produced an RTR version of these units, but has there been anything produced either past or present representing these units from suppliers?

 If nothing were readily available, would there be suitable donor coaches that could be converted to represent these units?

Sounds good Kieran, you are certainly pushing the boundaries 

Indeed Robert, you are only confined by your own imagination!

The possibilities of what if’s could be endless!

 I think there is an interesting comparison between the 70s Belfast Great Victoria Street and Glasgow Queen Street.

NIR bought the Hunslet’s in 1970 for the Enterprise service to Dublin, with them topping and tailing between the two major cities. A year later, BR introduced a revised service between Glasgow and Edinburgh with Class 27s topping and tailing. Both sets replaced railcars (dmu’s) on their respective services!

Hunslet’s in corporate blue with FYE, 27s in NIR maroon…….hmmm

Railway modelling should be fun whatever we do!

Great video Kieran, the big D looks great. I like the bogie Guinness wagons at the rear of the train.

171 with the teak coaches on the Enterprise is something special, awesome 

Hi all 

So once being advised that the 26 and 27 shared the same chassis, I switched the non brass wheels from my 26 to the 27, but the same problem still happens!

Is there anything else I should check, although I am not familiar with dismantling an enclosed Heljan chassis, before I go down the route of a replacement chassis, which I would assume would be the cheapest alternative rather than outsourcing the locomotive for repair if unable to find the fault 

Any help, advise, tips, greatly appreciated.

4 hours ago, Legend said:

 

Wow . Prototype for everything !

 

Nice Blue stock Hunslet 

Thanks Legend. Your advice on the prototypes and the models available has been a great help and inspiration 

8 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 

I'll just leave these pics here lol.

Thanks Colin, great photos! I remember seeing that coach in one of Jim Edgar’s markle dvds just outside Lisburn. Never saw it in that guise in the flesh.

So an NIR coach behind a class 27 or a BR coach behind a Hunslet not beyond the realms of possibility!

Nice video Kieran, the coaches look great. Also like your GNR blue locomotive with teak coaches in the background. 

8 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

NIR never part of BR, but if it was maybe these blue and grey trains would have gone through Adelaide.😀

 

Looks good.

Thanks Colin. Haha, don’t think that that hadn’t crossed my mind! In fact, for the period in question in the early 70s, before NIR settled on the purchase of the 3 Hunslet locomotives for the Enterprise service, they trialled a class 25 and class 27 along with the Hunslet! The MK2 stock that entered service on the Enterprise, originally came over in blue/grey, before being repainted maroon/blue!!

9 hours ago, kirley said:

I see Colm Flannigan's influence of a multi country layout (Arglass, Coleraine and Stranraer) has spread, and why not.  Will some parts of your layout reflect a Scottish track scene Andy?

Thanks Kieran. Hopefully I will be able to include something Scottish, to at least keep the family happy!

 I intend to use Grosvenor freight yard as Bishopbriggs oil depot, which was still in use when I moved to the area in 91. I remember watching class 37s at work in it until it closed a few years later. Not sure if class 47s worked the depot, but did see them occasionally on freight trains on the line.

Hi all 

Well still not much new modelling has happened since my last post, Belfast Great Victoria Street station is still in rebuild mode!

However, there is an addition to the modelling scene!

Those that follow the thread will know the back story to GVSt and Adelaide, but before my Irish modelling, my first train set was a BR blue Hymek freightliner set. I have always retained my interest in the BR blue era and having lived in Glasgow for over 30 years now beside the main Glasgow to Edinburgh line and travelled to Queen Street station many times, the compactness of the station always intrigued me. Long story short, I got great information from guys on this forum in the modelling questions section on the locomotives and rolling stock that ran in the early 70s.

So, my plan is that GVSt will double as a fictitious station known as Glasgow Great Queen Street! It will give me the opportunity to run either my Irish themed or BR blue themed era’s from the 70s!

Sorry for the ramble, but to kick things off, below are a couple of shots of a Class 27 at the head of a Glasgow-Edinburgh train, passing a Class 40 heading to Glasgow from Aberdeen!

22 hours ago, steviesparx said:

The replacement wheelsets for Heljan are bizarrely expensive...

 

I found it more cost effective to buy a new chassis from Olivia Trains E-Bay site.....Olivia Trains Cl 26 Chassis

 

They're £42 plus £6 p&p now - I think I paid less back in the day, but like everything else....

 

Mine did come with the silver wheels, which I actually used on a Hymek - still have the rest of the chassis / motor / PCB for spares

 

It would also give you a new motor if you needed to check that as the cause of the stutter...?

I assume the class 26 and class 27 share the same Heljan  chassis?

23 hours ago, andyman7 said:

Although a new set of wheels will sort the problem I have found that cleaning the old style using the thin end of a track rubber is pretty effective at getting the oxidisation off.

Thanks for the advice, worth a try, nothing to lose!

Thanks Matt

I will check the wheels on the loco and take it from there. Hopefully if that is the issue then a new set of wheels will resolve the problem!

Hi all 

Looking for some advice. I have a year 2006 Heljan class 27 loco with power issues, dc control.

 I have had it on a rolling road and put power to all 8 wheels in every permutation and they all turn fine.

Put the loco on the track and it stutters to start on full power before kicking in and off it goes. Power is a gaugemaster twin controller. Reduce the power to about half full power and it merrily continues, but reduce it any further towards zero and it comes to a halt, then same again as above.

Brass strip to all wheels, which are clean,is touching and red and black wires to each power bogie are soldered in place. Directional lighting is also working.

Track is clean and I have also tested it on an independent piece of straight track not attached to the layout with the same problem.

Any advice greatly appreciated.