The Border Reiver

Any sign of this problem being resolved?

I think the problem is due to the video box on some screen resolution is too big for the side panel. It is overlapping onto the posts page and thus throws the page down to the bottom

2 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

The new platform 0 would replace bay 2 so only needs to be short. What would be more significant and not mentioned in the above diagram is the connecting through of bays 5/6 with 7/8. They also seem to have squeezed in two more tracks between 3 and 4, it's not clear how this could be done.

The main bottleneck on the WCML is the two tracks north of Wigan, what is needed is the equivalent of the closed Whelley line to Boars Head junction.

Ref.....the connecting through of bays 5/6 with 7/8...... Us lot  in Carlisle think this was an error on the map as the footbridge seems to be in the middle of the tracks

33 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

It may upset the residents of Lime St and Elm St - the route is now a footpath by the river, a Lidl may also be very close to the route as well.  

 

However, it may be possible to reinstate it, though I doubt in reality the WCML at that far north would really ever want more routes to improve capacity, it's not that big an alternative and it may be simpler to remodel Carlisle station itself for through freight on the west side of the station than re-open a bit of curvy railway that would also need to be electrified.

 

Capacity improvements on the WCML seem to be required more between Crewe and Preston - returning more four track where it had been reduced or as with the some sections of the southern half adding extra tracks where they did not previously exist.  Once past Preston, the line becomes quiet, even quieter after Carnforth.  

 

If anywhere needs improvements it is in the approach to Glasgow, quite a spiders web of routes and junctions.

There are plans to add a new platform 0 at the west end of the station near the wall

jubilee 45572 EIRE and 1024 County of Pembroke and 9F 92236 in background at Cardiff Canton depot July 1962

The Video Ad's are screwing up the Go to First Unread Post.. You have to scroll back up to find the first unread post

Class 37 37502 heads south with tanker train from Kingmoor New Yard on 14 August 1992 and approaches Port Carlisle Junction where the Waverley line left the WCML. Built as D6782 by Robert Stephenson & Hawthorn Ltd 29 November 1962, Works Number EE/RSH3209/8328 and allocated to Hull Dairycoates, it was renumbered under TOPS as 37082, then 37502 in 1985 before finally being renumbered as 37602 in 1995. It is currently in service with DRS locomotives but was deregistered XHHP in January 2020

86401 'Northampton Town' in Network SouthEast livery heads north from Carlisle station towards Kingmoor as it passes Port Carlisle Junction on 18 July 1990. The sheepmount is behind the train. Built as E3199 21 January 1966, it was renumbered 86001 before being finally renumbered to 86401 17 December 1986. It was sold to West Coast Railway Company (WCRC) on 14th February 2020

Class 86 86621 'London School of Economics' double heads another class 86 on a northbound freight at Carlisle Station on 17 July 1990 (my photo)

11 hours ago, LMS2968 said:

You're right, there was an LMS corridor tender, but it wasn't used on normal service trains. It seems to have been intended as a normal Stanier 4000 gallon type, No. 9073, but was converted to a test vehicle as No. 4999. The bunker was divided to accommodate loose coal on one side and pre-weighed bagged coal on the other. It was presumably to allow engineers in the dynamometer car to access the footplate during tests, but I don't think the ex-L&YR car 45050 had a matching corridor connection at the 'business' end, i.e. the one coupled to the tender. The tender was eventually rebuilt to the normal Stanier type and ran behind Black Five 5235.

The LMS corridor tender was stored in the roundhouse at Carlisle Durranhill shed for years. Us local kids used to play on it in the 1950s

9 hours ago, Ian Smeeton said:

Don't you just hate digital cameras!?

 

 

This was the only one of three attempts to catch the NMT in open countryside which I managed to catch with my old Fuji Finepix A700.

 

Thios was the working: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:58868/2021-09-06/detailed

 

The time lag between pressing the shutter button and the photo being taken is so slow as to be embarrassing.

 

Looks decidedly fuzzy as well.

 

Might be time for a new camera, any suggestions?

 

Regards

 

Ian

 

 

I had the same problem with my Fuji Finepix S9500. I got round it by pre focussing by pressing in the shutter gently at the spot where the loco was due to be. I now have a Canon!

The Sunday WCML milk train left Carlisle at 3.25pm. Weekdays and Saturdays it left much later in the evening  and ran down the WCML headed for Mitre Bridge (Unigate) and South Acton (Express Dairies) and used to depart later at either 8:10pm or 9:30pm depending on the day.

Another milk train that left Carlisle and ran down the S&C via Appleby before picking up the Midland Mainline and running to Cricklewood. According to the 1954 WTT, the S&C train used to depart Carlisle at 5pm on weekdays. There were 2 trains on Sundays departing at 3:25pm and the second at 10:15pm

Info from Facebook Cumbrian Railways page

I am trying to identify this loco, look like a converted 9F. Anyone any idea?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58271871

Here is a photo I took of the last train to Silloth waiting to enter the station due to crowds demonstrating on the line by the station 6th September 1964

I saw 62710 Lincolnshire with it's plates still on in Darlington North Road scrap yard in October 1960

The majority of trains changed engines at Carlisle in the 1950s and 1960s while I was spotting there

Happy Birthday Dave. Thanks for all the photos...

7 hours ago, pH said:

In the sixties, they were definitely live!

 

I was at Carlisle Citadel twice in a week in the summer of 1964. It would appear that the announcer was in the control office (makes some sense, since that would be where there would be information about arrivals, delays etc.). It would also appear that the announcer(s) were rather negligent about switching off the microphone between announcements.

 

On my midweek visit, there was a broadcast of one end of a phone call in which the announcer was describing in detail the packed lunch he was about to eat. 

The Saturday visit was at the end of the Glasgow Fair. In those days many (most?) people still holidayed in the UK. There would be a steady stream of extras for people returning to the Glasgow area from holidays in England. Most of these would not be stopping in Carlisle, and so would be routed round Citadel on the goods lines through Carlisle. Passengers on the platforms in Citadel were treated to a controller’s very colourful opinion of the Leeds Holbeck shedmaster, who had sent one special with a driver who did not know the goods lines, and for which the controller was therefore going to have to find a path through a very busy Citadel station.

As a Carlisle lad, very few trains used the goods lines through Carlisle as nearly every train had an engine change in the station. In the 8 years I was on the Station spotting on the Glasgow Fair  Saturdays, we only saw 2 trains use the goods lines. We spent the Glasgow Fair Saturdays running from one end of the station to the other so not to miss anything. One Saturday, trains were stacked up as far as Rockcliffe a few miles north of the station waiting for free platforms in the station. Great days indeed!

It was stored at Kingmoor from April 1967 to November 1967. Photo taken 29-5-67 and i have a photo taken at Kingmoor in April 1967 with it's bogies still in place.

IIRC the Kings were not due to go to Woodhams but due to a weight restriction they were diverted from the original scrapyard the were due to go to and ended up at Woodhams

2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Tinsley yard's raison d'etre was to allow the closing of a myriad of small yards, reduction of trip workings and cutting down the time and mileage taken by the trip workings, the fact that hump yards were flavour of the month was somewhat coincidental I think.

 

Mike.

Exactly the same reason that Kingmoor yard was built, to save tripping from Carlisle's 7+ small yards

Thanks to all for the location info...

Here is a photo of Black 5 44713 at an unidentified shed. It has a 10D Lostock Hall shed plate and was reallocated there on 24 June 1967, so the photo must have been taken after that date. I am trying to identify the shed where it is. I'm sure I have seen photos with the same screens and gantries that can be seen in the background. There can't be many steam sheds still open after June 1967. Any ideas anyone?

11 hours ago, Market65 said:

Good evening, David. I like the Tanfield Railway photo’s which are all of interest, and what a charming line it is. The last photo’ of Bobgins Lane crossing, with RSH, number 38 on an East Tanfield to Sunniside service, in April, 1993, shows how rural the line was at that location. 
The Newcastle photo’s are fascinating, and show much of interest, including, in the last photo’, on the 17th August, 1990, something I don’t recall seeing before. The HST power car on the left, 43090, has it’s number in very small numbers, with only the last two shown. There is one white dash each side of the 90. Also there is an indecipherable ‘mark’ above the 90. It looks most strange compared to 43050 on the right, which is what you would expect to see.

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

I have a photo of 43090 taken in 1990 and the indecipherable ‘mark’ above the 90 is a small 43

J12893. Wetheral Corby Bridge footbridge had a toll when I was a boy living in Carlisle' as so many people were trespassing on the trackbed, in order to cross. Initially, a half-penny toll, each way, was charged, having risen to a penny by the time the station closed in 1956. The toll was withdrawn soon after.