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BBA with wooden cradles that worked from Grimsby in Pool 4157 with imported coil , see link below

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bba/e3e24d6c

Pool for the BAA and BBA from Grimsby

All the BBA in the pool had wooden cradles , the BAA had a mixture of wooden and the early type metal cradle , of these i know 900090 , 900118 and 900193 had these fitted sidewards and 900172 had them longitudinal.

21121 is the code for Grimsby dock

25208 is BSC SPACE at Tinsley where the coil was unloaded

BSC Scunthorpe to BSC Lackenby slab pool .

BBA and BAA slab wagon pool TOPS report from 1988. This is the pool for the slab traffic that ran from BSC Scunthorpe to BSC Lackenby , not seen many pictures of this train , those that i have seen are class 56 and pairs of class 20's as i assume this was a Frodingham duty. To model this train formation , i have worked out that the consist was usually about 10 wagons being a mixture of both types of wagon. By looking at the report it gives us thus :

Consist at 23.25 : ( empty )

BAA 900003 , 170 , 175 , 184 , 205 , 266 , 304 .

BBA 910092 , 309 , 511.

Total 10 wagons

Consist at 20.20 : ( loaded )

BAA 900017 , 020 , 088 , 113 , 150 , 171 , 173 .

BBA 910011 , 169 .

Total 9 wagons

Consist at 00.20 : ( empty )

BAA 900132 , 139 , 161 , 236 , 241 , 259 ,288 , 299 , 300 .

BBA 910577.

Total 10 wagons .

BSC Lackenby slab / bloom pool , these worked to BSC Shelton , BSC Workington , BSC Scunthorpe , BSC Skinningrove , within the pool a small amount of BBA wagons worked to BSC Hartlepool with coil , later a dedicated pool was formed for the coil traffic ( these are coded ISHRCL in the TOPS report) Dated 1988

Looking at various photos your correct , the lettering should be two spaces to the right of where  it  is printed , I have highlighted the correct position 

I have in the last few days decided to build a covered version of the ex Sheerness Steel JXA wagons , they had a three piece hood fitted that was fabricated from old LPG bogies tank wagon , i have used old Hornby 2 axle tanker barrels cut down on a bandsaw to the approx height and glued together for the hoods , they have had filler and grey primer coats to show up any areas that may need redoing . The rest of the wagon body is handbuilt from 60 thou plasticard and Plastruct section , the bogies are from S Kits . There were 15 of theses wagons converted for use from Shotton to Port Talbot to carry scrap , the hoods are a compromise as photos from above are rare . I think the hoods were all unique as they were all slightly different in appearance .

On 24/04/2020 at 10:06, Samjam33 said:

<bazjones1711> Hi Baz, just wondering if it’s not too much trouble would you copy the entire Shunter Duties mag front to back for me please

kind regards

Gary

Only Just found this post , so apologies for not responding  , if you still require this copied let me know , I will need to find it first mind you ! 

Looking forward to getting  a copy of this magazine  , be nice to see my contribution in print , hope there will be other issues in the future , one dedicated to steel traffic  would be great ....

Could be an announcement to announce that the delayed announcement  is now delayed due a delay in the announcement from a  previous announcement ......

I have some Modelmaster ' D ' they are from the set 4802 Pre TOPS numbers for diesel shunters and type 1 locos , they are a standard D , pm me if these are what you require .

Not the best photo !

Just to confuse matters with the BBA conversions , this is how the 13  BWA would have been configured prior to being converted to  BWA covered wagons , they had five traverse ex BZA cradles fitted , these wagons worked from Grimsby to the likes of Tinsley , Wolverhampton etc... with imported coil . Not sure how the cradles were arranged when they were covered wagons .

Another view of a BIA with the cover open showing the ex BOA cradles , click on photo to link to website

The BIA covered wagons  would have retained their ex BOA cradles as per the link to the  photo with the cover open

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwagons-library.weebly.com%2Fuploads%2F6%2F9%2F2%2F9%2F6929845%2Fbia-910303-16-11-17_1_orig.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwagons-library.weebly.com%2Fbia.html&tbnid=lTZ7UyzKMazyAM&vet=12ahUKEwig0qbbxP7uAhWN34UKHcz8BvgQMygAegUIARCWAQ..i&docid=kcFlhxcGj7ht-M&w=1100&h=657&itg=1&q=bia wagon&client=firefox-b-d&ved=2ahUKEwig0qbbxP7uAhWN34UKHcz8BvgQMygAegUIARCWAQ

Wagon pools for BIA , BXA and BWA covered coil wagons ;

Pool 4109 Immingham - various – coil

Wagon type BWA

910234

910269

910413

910421

910422

910426

910440

910450

910484

910489

Total 10 wagons

Pool 4149 Scunthorpe - various – coil

Wagon type BIA /BXA

910071 BXA

910076 BIA

910105 BIA

910170 BXA

910179 BXA

910194 BIA

910239 BIA

910252 BXA

910258 BXA

910264 BXA

910303 BIA

910307 BXA

910340 BIA

910357 BIA

910425 BXA

910427 BXA

910441 BXA

910465 BXA

910487 BXA

Total 19 wagons

Pool 4201 Humber ports - Wolves – coil

Wagon type BIA /BXA

910024 BIA

910078 BIA

910112 BXA

910163 BXA

910223 BXA

910420 BXA

910423 BXA

910457 BXA

910469 BXA

910494 BIA

910504 BIA

910535 BIA

Total 12 wagons

This leaves just one wagon missing which is 910000 in pool 9000 ( withdrawn pool )

The covered ex BBA ( BIA , BXA and BWA ) as per the proposed Cavalex model comprises of 42 wagons , the list is below  ;

BIA coded

910024 BIAH BI001E

910076 BIAH BI001E

910078 BIAH BI001E

910105 BIAH BI001E

910194 BIAH BI001F

910239 BIAH BI001F

910303 BIAH BI001F

910340 BIAH BI001F

910357 BIAH BI001F

910494 BIAH BI001F

910504 BIAH BI001F

910535 BIAH BI001F

These are all ex BIA wagons that were fitted with five longitudinal ex BOA end cradles

BWA coded

910234 BWAH BW002C

910269 BWAH BW002C

910413 BWAH BW002C

910421 BWAH BW002C

910422 BWAH BW002C

910426 BWAH BW002C

910440 BWAH BW002C

910450 BWAH BW002C

910484 BWAH BW002C

910489 BWAH BW002C

These are all ex BWA that had five ex BZA traverse cradles , there were a total of 13 of these converted , with 910223 , 910264 and 910307 becoming BXA upon conversion

BXA coded

910000 BXAA BX010A Ex BUA hot coffin slab wagon conversion

910071 BXAA BX010A

910112 BXAA BX010A

910163 BXAA BX010A

910170 BXAA BX010A

910179 BXAA BX010A

910223 BXAA BX010A

910252 BXAA BX010A

910258 BXAA BX010A

910264 BXAA BX010A

910307 BXAA BX010A

910420 BXAA BX010A

910423 BXAA BX010A

910425 BXAA BX010A

910427 BXAA BX010A

910441 BXAA BX010A

910457 BXAA BX010A

910465 BXAA BX010A

910469 BXAA BX010A

910487 BXAA BX010A

Link to the BBA wagons  carrying slab

Seeing that the BBA with six cradles are to be made here is some information on them ;

BBA wagon pool 4225 Various to various stainless slab / coil .

Total 33

910003 , 006 , 112 , 170 , 179 , 216 , 223 , 234 , 235 , 258 , 264 , 269 , 275 , 292 , 307 , 413 , 420 , 421 , 422 , 423 , 424 , 425 , 426 , 427 , 440 , 441 , 447 , 450 , 461 , 465 , 469 , 484 , 489 .

These 33 wagons were fitted with 6 traverse cradles for carrying stainless slab cast from Tinsley Park steelworks to the East coast ports like Grimsby for an onward sea journey to Germany for rolling , only to be brought back on the same wagons now as coil to Tinsley and Panteg , slab also ran from Tinsley to Lackenby and Port Talbot to be rolled into coil , but as these plants dealt with normal steel , the process of rolling stainless was not best suited to these two plants , hence a switch to European plants . These wagons ran with BDA , BMA with slab and SPA , BAA , BDW  with imported coil either as semi finished coil to Tinsley and Panteg or as wrapped finished steel to the likes of Wolverhampton , Brierley Hill etc..

Liveries for  these were black with railfreight logo and red cradles or original bauxite brown with brown cradles .

This may sound a bit daft , but if the point motors are only throwing one way and reluctant to go the other way , have they been wired up correctly ?, a friend of mine once wired up all his point motors incorrectly  and could not understand why they only went one way , he even resorted to spraying them with WD 40 to try and free them up !

Taken from the Dapol forum in 2017 !

Quote.

We are just refining the first EP so should have some new images to show in the next month or so. Decorations are about to start, so I would say (if pushed) release for the end of the year.

They had an EP sample back in 2016 , five years later .... we'll make some revisions , delayed again no doubt , just makes you think what have they been doing in those interim years ? 

In an old Leicester Railway Wagon Society magazine regarding SFW and SGW coil wagons

Recoded week ending 20th June 1987.

SFV to SFW

SF002B B 949175 / 176 / 178

SGV to SGW

SG001B B 949199 / 200 / 203

Class 47238 on a train of SFW and SGW wagons at Severn Tunnel Junction in the late 1980's , possibly a BSC Llanwern  /  Port Talbot to Swindon coil working . Copy of a M Russell photo.

Here is the SGW ( ex coil B ) pool from the late 1980's to go with the already posted SFW ( ex Coil A ) pool 

BSC Llanwern  -  Various Coil Pool 4196 
Design Code SG002B

B 949181 , 183 , 184 , 185 , 188 , 192 , 193 , 194 , 195 , 196 , 197 , 198 , 199 .
B 949200 , 202 , 203 , 204 , 205 , 206 , 208 , 209 , 211 , 215 , 217 , 219.

Total 25

These worked with the SFW ( ex coil A )  to the likes of Newport docks and BSC Orb

SFW  (  Coil A ) coil wagon pool from approx late 1980's

BSC Llanwern - Various Coil Pool 4195
Design Code SF002B
B 949133 , 134 , 135 , 138 , 140 , 141 , 142 , 143 , 144 , 145 , 146 , 150 , 152 , 154 .
B 949155 , 156 , 160 , 163 , 164 , 165 , 166 , 168 , 171 , 173 , 174 , 175 , 176 , 178 .

Total 28 

These are the new Accurascale coil A wagons that were through air brake fitted in the late 1980's , worked with SGW ( coil B ) wagons from BSC Llanwern to Newport docks and BSC Orb ( most likely for the export jetty , as BSC Orb dealt with electrical steels supplied from BSC  Ravenscraig on cradles BAA bogie wagons )