Chris hndrsn

The NRM possibly holds the drawings for the tractor amongst 94 engineering drawings from Nasmyth, Wilson dating from 1917 to 1938, in this group from the Locomotive Manufacturers Association collection:

NRM Archive Collection 2004-7074: Engineering drawings, Peckett Works at Bristol, also includes drawings from Dubs & Co. and Nasmyth, Wilson & Co.

The LMA were given the Nasmyth, Wilson records when Nasmyth went into receivership in 1940.

Cheers,

Chris

Should the British Westinghouse PE tractor actually be called the Nasmyth Wilson 4 wheel PE tractor?

I found this advertisement that suggests it should:

Jonathan,

I will include that in my query to a CAM maker.

I am just looking at the Historical Model Railway Societies website and have found the following drawings:

40 ton Well Wagon http://www.hmrs.org.uk/drawings/drawinginfo.php?id=28055

Parrot Wagon, shown with WW1 tank outline http://www.hmrs.org.uk/drawings/drawinginfo.php?id=17484

30 Ton - 2 Plank - Dropside Bogie Wagon - Ex War Dept  http://www.hmrs.org.uk/drawings/drawinginfo.php?id=24514

War Department Ambulance Train as arranged from the existing GCR Stock http://www.hmrs.org.uk/drawings/drawinginfo.php?id=2998 and http://www.hmrs.org.uk/drawings/drawinginfo.php?id=2999

3 Plank Low Sided Wagon with Caboose, 11ft 7¾ins w/b, 25ft 3?ins o/h - Proposed Strengthening of Underframe to Carry Additional Load http://www.hmrs.org.uk/drawings/drawinginfo.php?id=28052

Jon,

1917 Belgian pent roof van bodyshells? OO Gauge? Where can one buy these from?

Jonathan,

Thank you, I am going to see if anyone on Shapeways want to do them as I need a few and have never scratch built a wagon before. Do you know if anyone makes the 12 ton van in the image? I have looked at various websites and can't find it, but being a neophyte Australian I am very very limited in knowledge of pre-grouping wagons and the British hobby market. If no one makes them I will see try for a Shapeways build.

Thanks for the tips and help.

Cheers,

Chris

Does anyone know of an OO Gauge kit for the 20 ton vans produced during WW1?

Or the 12 ton van shown here?

Cheers,

Chris

Hi Alan,

I purchased a few of your figures a year or so back and I love the finesse and fidelity of your figures, lamps and other accessories. My only criticism relates to the use of your figures for "period" modelling, your choice of human models. I much appreciate that you are limited to volunteers, and the time and effort of the human models, but as someone who is modelling pre-grouping, the figures are, shall we say, rather large. I would suggest for most loco crews this is also true up to the 1980's. Any chance for some alternative food deprived figures?

Cheers,

Chris, someone who is definitely not food deprived

RJEB,

Thank you that image is excellent. Can I ask what magazine the image came from?

Chris

Jonathan,

Thank you, you are correct. Based on the centre drawing, you can see the way they have modified them for the brakeman's shelter by lengthening the chassis and moving the axle closest to the brakeman.

Cheers,

Chris

Ian,

Those are exactly the sort of wagons I have been trying to find, the typically European brakeman's hutch on a British-built van. May I ask what magazine the article is from?

Chris

This is an example of one of the Midlands-built covered vans built to a European design for the ROD. They were sent across to France as kits on their chassis. I will post images of the chassis kits ready for movement in the next day or so. The images are from "The Engineer" 19 Nov 1919.

Cheers,

Chris

Thanks Paul

Is there a way to upload images from my HD to this thread?

Cheers,

Hendo

I bounced across this thread and thought I would piggyback it for a request.

My interest is in the British Army Railway Operating Division during WW1 and I am creating an OO Gauge layout of the ROD and light railways during the war. During that war thousands of "War Department" wagons were produced specifically for service in NW France and Belgium, most to French designs, but quite a few to Belgium plans and these were sold to France and Belgium post WW1. I have managed to find some drawings of some of the French "WD" wagons, but would like to find drawings of the Belgium "WD" rolling stock.

Can anyone point me in the right direction for drawings of former WW1 WD SNCB rolling stock? Is there a Belgium, book of rolling stock plans/drawings?

Cheers,

Chris

This could be the wagon in the photo:- http://www.wagons-europe.fr/gallery304/index.php/nord/wagons-pv/66-speciaux-reservoirs/sp-89/474

Brian,

Noting the I-beam ribs visible and the external plate with the recessed hand brake wheel, I think it is the first drawing No: 473, the I-beam profile is quite noticeable and the drawing bottom left reflects that. But I do note the similarity with the planking on the inclines of the deck with the second drawing No: 474 you posted.

It will make a good wagon to carry my model of Mephisto!

Cheers,

Chris

As suggested by Paul Bartlett, I sought the help of Greg Martin from railalbum.co.uk, who has ben very generous with his advice. I also emailed Christophe Dufrenoy, the owner of AMF87 who pointed me in the direction of the Wagons Europe website and to the relatively new group the French Rail Historical Circle which publishes a magazine Rails of Yesteryear and does special editions, including one coming this year on US wagons for the WW1 American Expeditionary Force. Christophe has also written an article on WD wagons

Not understanding French, I find it a little difficult to navigate the wagons Europe site, but I am getting there!

Notwithstanding the help already given, I would appreciate any other images, input and recommendations others may have. Really keen to get my hands on some plans!

Are there any UK Continental model rail or enthusiasts groups with a web presence?

Cheers,

Chris

roythebus,

That would help tremendously!

Chris

G'day,

I am building an OO Gauge layout representing the operations of the ROD during WW1, and within financial limits, would like it to be as accurate as possible. I was reminded by the December issue of Continental Modeller on "couverts" that about 24,000 vehicles of various types, including the Warflats, brake vans and so on were built for service in France. I just don't have the money to cheat and use the HO scale AMF87 kits and would appreciate it if anyone can point me to drawings of the European style War Department rolling stock produced for the ROD. I particularly would like to get drawings/plans for the 20 ton Nord style "couvert" van in the CM article; the 15 ton Belgian covered van; the ROD brake van; the well wagon in the image below and so on.

Being from Australia and monolingual, though some would say illiterate in English as well, if anyone can recommend an appropriate French rolling stock book, it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Chris

Ray,

Thank you very much for the email address. Though the Domain Name Server for hunslettmuseum.co.uk website can't be found and the statfoldbarnrailway.co.uk website seems to be down, an email to the address doesn't seem to have bounced. I shall wait and see.

Cheers,

Chris

Chris, I'm surprised that you didn't receive a reply from Hunslet's.  When I've contacted them I have always had a prompt and courteous reply. Try Hazel Tomlinson, her e-mail is:

ArchiveAdmin@hunsletmuseum.co.uk     Hope you get the info you require as I've also found the WW1 railways a fascinating topic.

Ray.

Ray,

Thank you very much. I had written to the general enquiries address back in 2015. I shall try the address you gave me.

Chris

Many of the archives from Armley Mills moved some time ago down to Statfold Barn.  

 

There seems to be very little information and photographs of the internal combustion MW locos available.  For many years they were not even sure what material they had!

AMJ,

Thank you, though I am surprised the Leeds lndustrial Museum would transfer the Manning-Wardle records to a privately owned business. I had written to Hunslett/Statfold Barn Railway last year as well but did not receive any response. According to the National Railway Museum records, the information is at Armley Mills. The NRM has a photocopy of the records, which cannot be copied, at box ALS3/103/C/4 (Manning Wardle & Co Loco Details 1891-1926). The NRM does note that the records may have been moved to the Staffordshire Archives. I also did a search of the Staffordshire Archives, without results.

Cheers,

Chris

Is there some kind soul in Leeds who could/does visit the Leeds Industrial Museum at Armley Mills? If someone could visit the museum I need some help with a small research task. I would visit myself, but the return air fares from Australia are rather exorbitant at this time of the year.  

I had submitted an enquiry with the Museum's Discovery Centre back in 2015. Due to the flooding that happened to the Museum, they requested that I resubmit my request in early 2016, which I did. Unfortunately, I received no response.

I am after images of the drawings (plan, side and end elevations, images and basic production and technical information for:

• The two versions of the Manning-Wardle armoured 185hp Petrol Mechanical standard gauge tractor (locomotive) built for the War Department. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13768090
• The British Westinghouse 45hp Petrol Mechanical 60cm gauge tractor (locomotive).

The Manning-Wardle, I believe, was operated by one of the Australian Broad Gauge Railway Operating Company's, late in the war as traction for railway guns. The British Westinghouse was one of the types operated by Australian Light Railway Operating Company's. 

My use of the material will first be for an article I plan on writing and submitting to the Australian War Memorial magazine Wartime on the Australian Railway Operating Company's; second, to model the loco's for a WW1 themed layout I am building. I have spoken to Worsley Works and he is happy to produce an etch of the British Westinghouse if he has the drawings. I imagine he would be just as happy to do the Manning-Wardle.

Once I have the information, I will be putting it in the public domain here on RMWeb, with appropriate attribution to the person who obtained it.

I would be very grateful if any RMWeb member is able to assist. 

Regards and thank you in anticipation,

Chris hndrsn

Brisbane, Australia

I just sent a query to Bachmann about the Warflat (which used the "Parrot" telegraph code during WW1):

JW and Phil,

Thank you, I have requested postage info from both.

Now if I could just sort out the metre gauge rolling stock and tramway engines used by the ROD   ! Plus the 60cm loco's from Bachmann though very nice, are eye watering in price

Cheers,

Chris

Does anyone know of an OO scale model of the LSWR brake van that was copied for the ROD? Apparently post war they were used on the NORD, Midlands, Metropolitan and Great Eastern Railways.

Cheers,

Chris

Similar wagons on the far right of the photo in this post:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/81756-new-train-sets-and-gift-packs/page-4&do=findComment&comment=1339355

Indeed they are Simon, clearly made to a pattern by the Egyptian State Railways in their workshops.

Cheers,

Chris