MikeOxon

As I replied to Annie, I have designed the parts so that they will be printable. My current problem is that I already have more models than I can find uses for. I keep toying with various layout plans but still cannot settle on a single idea 🙂 Mike

I must give credit to the painstaking research carried out by the late Eddy Brown. His data sheets and the publication 'Broadsheet' provide ample reasons for anyone interested in the period to join the Broad Gauge Society. It was your thread, Annie, that made me realise how much of the pleasure of modelling can be gained through use of 3D-modelling software. It provides the means to appreciate how these early designs developed from their road-vehicle origins into the styles that persisted well into the 20th century. I have laid out the parts in such a way that they will all be printable, once I decide what to do with them all! Mike

Why stop there - it's an infinitely recurring decimal, so keep typing ...

Following my stock review , I realised that, although I have quite a good selection of early broad-gauge carriages, there are relatively few examples of early goods wagons. While thinking about the possibilities, I looked at the contemporary pen and wash sketch by J.C.Bourne, which shows three types of early broad-gauge wagons, including one with wheels outside the body sides and a tilt cover. For more information and drawings, I turned to the invaluable set of Data Sheets that were produced by the late Eddie Brown for the Broad Gauge Society (BGS). Although these are extremely informative, they are written largely in note-form using typescript, which can be a little difficult to follow at times. With the help of these Data Sheets, however, I could identify those in the above sketch as two types of early ‘Box Wagon’ and an early ‘Horse Box’. Horse Box The Horse Box is one of the few early wagons that I have already modelled. The original design of Horse Box was one of those Broad-Gauge oddities, in which the wheelbase of 6 feet was shorter than the track gauge! It is one of the early vehicles illustrated in Whishaw’s ‘Railways of Great Britain and Ireland’, 1842. My 3D-model of an early GWR Horse Box, 1838 (see my blog post for construction details) Box Wagons The history of the early GWR goods wagons is somewhat confusing, since thy are variously labelled as ‘Box Wagons’, ‘Luggage Wagons’, or ‘Utility Wagons’ depending on their mode of use at the times they were recorded. Eddy Brown teased out some their ‘life histories’ by comparing details such as Tare Weights from the various stock lists. It was a period when railway wagon design was developing rapidly from their farm-cart origins The first wagons ordered for the GWR were a batch of 29 ‘box wagons’ built in 1838/9. According to the BGS Data Sheet 401, five of these were described as ‘small box wagons’ There are no known drawings but one of these appears in J.C Bourne’s engraving of Pangbourne station. Extract from an engraving by J.C.Bourne This illustration is of particular interest because it shows that these were some of the very few vehicles that conformed to Brunel’s idea of placing narrow vehicle-bodies between the wheel-sets. These wagons show their farm-cart origins in the sloping sides, supported by struts known as ‘strouters’. The floor planks ran lengthwise, like a farm-cart, and there were drop-doors at both ends as well as in the sides. To create a 3D-model, I followed my usual method if tracing over the drawings in the BGS Data Sheet, which I imported as a ‘canvas’ into ‘Fusion 360’. I then extruded the panels and their details to form ‘solid bodies’. I used the ‘mirror’ option in ‘Fusion 360’ to create the opposite sides and ends, which avoided having to produce the planking details twice! After extruding the various parts from the side and end elevation drawings, as appropriate, I brought them together within the software, as shown below: Extruding a 3D-model from a ‘Canvas’ in ‘Fusion 360’ Once the modelling is complete, ‘Fusion 360’ offer the capability to ‘render’ the 3D-model in appropriate colours and under controlled lighting conditions, to give an impression of how the eventual printed design will appear. The rendering option in 'Fusion 360' can be very effective and I have seen some superb examples, where other people have created complete scenes within 'Fusion 360'. So far, I have only touched the hem of the possibilities that have opened up, but it’s something I intend to pursue further. My 3D model of GWR Small Box Wagon, 1838 ‘Standard’ Wagons The other 24 wagons in the initial order became known as ‘standard’ box wagons. BGS Data Sheet 402 states that the Traffic Committee's Stock Account for 6th.October, 1840, listed 22 wagons being allocated to London and 4 to Bristol as’ Box Wagons’, plus 3 known as ‘Luggage Wagons’, for use in Passenger trains. The ‘standard’ wagons were longer and also abandoned the Brunel concept of placing the body between the wheels, which resulted in greatly increased carrying capacity. In fact, the internal volume was doubled in these wagons, from 6.31 Cu.yards (4.82 m3) in the small wagon, to 13.55 Cu.Yd (10.36 m3). In those early days, when ‘lower-class’ passengers were not encouraged, it is evident that, by September 1839, several of these wagons had been fitted with bench seating to carry ‘Goods train passengers’. After a serious accident at Sonning on 24th December 1841, it was recommended that the sides of the wagons should be raised, to reduce the likelihood of passengers being thrown out in the event of a collision! I created my model by using exactly the same procedure as for the small wagon; in this case extruding from Data Sheet 402. In fact, I was able to re-use some parts, such as buffer beams and cross members, for this larger wagon. Although the body sides were placed outside the wheels, they still sloped outwards towards the top and were supported by strouters. My models of the ‘small’ and ‘standard’ GWR Box Wagons Placing my models together shows vividly the increased volume in the larger design. Notice that the wheels protruded into the load space and were boxed-in in the prototypes.. In fact, this was a feature of GWR wagons that persisted for several years, until the Brunel dictum of ‘large wheels’ was finally abandoned. I suspect that those wheel-boxes were frequently cursed by the people loading the wagons. No doubt @Mikkel could create an amusing story about a package that got lost in the corner behind a wheel box 🙂 A Model Trio As a final flourish, I decided to use my models to re-create the scene sketched by J.C. Bourne in the early 1840s. Note that there are some additions on the wagons he sketched. The small wagon has an over-all tarpaulin, supported by hoops, while the standard wagon has raised side-rails, which may have been for the carriage of animals. My three models arranged as in the J.C. Bourne illustration Mike

Steady on, there!!!

One fundamental choice, which depends on how you view the hobby, is whether you intend to model things yourself or draw heavily on off-the-shelf and ready-to-run (RTR) items. A lot depends on whether your interest centres on the modelling itself or on running trains.

Langley have a selection of various types, sold in pairs - https://www.langleymodels.co.uk/awd1/index.php?route=product/search&search=wheel A road coach really needs steerable front wheels and shafts, usually carried on a pivoting fore-carriage. Also a seat for the coachman. I have modelled Brunel's Britzka and described the various components of the fore-carriage. see https://www.rmweb.co.uk/blogs/entry/25349-brunels-britzka/ Mike

A long way from NZ to Moscow 🙂

I wonder how many of the real loco idiosyncrasies are captured by the software? Some engines suffered from poor valve events or badly laid out steam passages. In some, the problem was in the firebox, such as a tendency to collect clinker, leading to fall-off in performance on long runs. Any comments, Annie?

I know the problem of fitting layers together from having used layers cut with a Silhouette Cutter. Yours looks splendid. There's a steam railcar at Didcot (Railmotor No. 93, built 1908 to Diagram R, Lot 1142), which I've had the pleasure of riding in a few times

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For any model to look so good under close photographic scrutiny is remarkable - splendid work.🙂 My only concern is that your brickwork looks much more interesting than the real thing, seen on earlier photos in this thread, where the texture is far less pronounced.

The class divisions between servants in pre-WW2 British society were almost more marked than those between their masters! There's a flavour of it in Eveleyn Waugh's 'Brdeshead Revisited', when Lord Marchmain returns from Italy and his retinue of servants have to be amalgamated with those already at the English estate: "Plender and Wilcox became Joint Grooms of the Chambers, like Blues and Life Guards with equal precedence, ... the senior footman was given a black coat and promoted butler, the nondescript Swiss, on arrival, was to have full valet’s status; there was a general increase in wages to meet the new dignities, and all were content." When Lord Wilcote ordered his special train then, in addition to the Family Saloon, he required a tri-composite, to ensure that the divisions could be carefully maintained. In my blog post, I commented that "I expect the greatest fun was enjoyed in the 3rd class section, where the young maids would be making their first trip to London." Mike

Yet another skill for railway modelling 🙂 - steel making methods. Mike

My impression from driving through South Wales is of rather messy structures full of smoke and steam and with lots of tall towers and chimneys. Attribution: Chris Shaw / Port Talbot Steelworks /https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/

On interesting variant of GWR autotrains was the use of some 517 class engines encased in 'coach-like' cladding, as seen in a photo at Trumpers Crossing halt. Could make an unusual model! Apparently, some auto-fitted engines were painted brown, as a less complex method for making them 'blend in' Mike

Sounds good. I;d be interested to know more about how you prepare the artwork for 3D-printing brickwork

Done! It's hard to see how we are going to get out of the various messes the human race is in but we can only hope for some pleasant surprises. Happy New Year!

4 hours to go here still but it does seem to have stopped raining. Fireworks crackling all around and upsetting our neighbour's dogs. Just started on a bottle of Cloudy Bay Pelorus which, in my opinion, beats most Champagne 😀

It's the track-building that has held me back from a proper broad gauge layout. It's not just the style of baulks and bridge rail but the fact that the early GWR liked 6-wheel (or even rigid 8-wheel) vehicles - both wagons and coaches - which create difficulties as soon as you have any curves! I've created a couple of track types, one based on real timber baulks and another on 3D printed bases but both only for use in small display cases The Broad Gauge Society (BGS) supply bridge rail and have investigated the possibility of supplying baulk road bases, although I'm not sure if that has progressed. I have the impression that you are thinking of modelling later broad gauge days, so remember that most of the broad gauge had gone by 1872, when all the lines West of Gloucester into Wales were narrowed, and almost all the rest was mixed-gauge. By the time Joseph Armstrong arrived at Swindon in 1864, the writing was on the wall for the broad gauge. Very little broad gauge stock was produced in later years and what there was had narrow bodies designed to be easily converted to run on standard gauge. In the final years before 1892, the only broad gauge trains were the West of England expresses. Mike

perhaps Annie can give the rest of us a sneak preview of how 2024 is feeling? Mike

Thank you for the reference, Chris. I'm always happy to help if I can. Like so many things, the Broad Gauge spans many different periods and styles - the early years were very different from anything else but gradually styles converged towards standard gauge practice and, in the later years, almost all the stock was designed for conversion to standard gauge. In the early period, stations were very different, in that several 'through' stations were single-sided, with separate 'up' and 'down' platforms on the same side of the running lines. The first Paddington station was to the West of the current terminus. You'll find some information in my blog post: 'In the Beginning' I strongly recommend you join the Broad Gauge Society (BGS). Their magazine 'Broadsheet' is a splendid publication, currently edited by Brian Arman, and a memory stick containing back-issues is available to members. There is also a collection of Data Sheets, covering many items of rolling stock and lineside features. I have learned a tremendous amount from these publications and from attending BGS meetings. Mike

nothing wrong with that 🙂

You could be right - she does nothing by halves! Seems that Sgt Roberts has a lucky escape 🤪

If Sir John is from Wilcote, you'd better warn the good people of Traeth Mawr. If his daughter, Blanche, is with him, she is very liable to paint the town red 🙂 It looks rather as if the flighty young Blanche has just got the idea of making a snowball but Sir John has sternly admonished her to "desist now, young lady - most unseemly".