chris45lsw

11 minutes ago, chris45lsw said:

 

I've gone from ecstasy on hearing about the release of these coaches to depression on seeing what a dog's dinner has been made of them.  So sad.  Wherever the measuring went wrong the end result is that the panel below the cantrail and above the windows is far too  wide.  It should be narrower than the waist panel below the windows when, on the model, it's actually much wider.  It also means the ventilator bonnets above the doors are too deep as well.  Very disappointing.

Chris KT   

23 hours ago, trevor7598 said:

Looking at the models and 1520 on the Bluebell more closely it would seem that the quarter lights

and the droplights are not tall enough on the models, and the vent bonnet on the door is too deep.

As for the lack of dynamo and battery boxes on the brake coaches, this could be correct, and the

centre composite supplied power for lighting in the brake' coaches. The SECR had a similar system 

om their trio sets..

1 hour ago, Ian Hargrave said:

‘Southern Steam in the South and West’…..that man Norman Lockett is your saviour.

 

Page 49…..24 June 1953 . LN 30862 Weymouth-Bournemouth Central

                                             T9  30117 Wimborne- Bournemouth West.      In each case a 3 set with added ex LSWR strengthener of other suburban ( maybe ) stock.

 

   Unmarked pages : captioned Honiton Bank 4 October 1947 T9 117 ( pre BR ) 3 set with added Maunsell strengthener,Salisbury-Exeter local.    9June1939….U 1792 Exeter-Salisbury stopper …3 set ….also Honiton Bank.

 

There you go gents.  But there is surely more photographic “evidence” somewhere .

 

This book is a gem.

     

 

There are several photos of 3-LAV sets (as they are sometimes called in Carriage Working Notices) on the WoE main line in 'Main Line to the West, Part 3, Yeovil to Exeter'.  The latest I can find is 34023 plus a 3-set & utility van on Honiton incline dated 3 August 1955.

Chris KT

7 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

Volume 2 of Weddell includes a statement that, when these coaches were formed in 4-sets, only two vehicles carried dynamos "sometimes the brake thirds and sometimes the two composites", which suggests that not all sets were formed BTL+TL+CL+BTL in LSWR days at least.

 

There is also one photo of a BTL (in SR livery) that shows the definite absence of a dynamo, so the Trio-C system may have been perpetuated when these became 3-sets. To be absolutely certain of the exact arrangement, one would need contemporaneous pictures of both the brakes in a given set.

 

John

 

 

These sets were all identical and, apart from a handful which were lengthened, never changed in formation until the SR reduced them all to 3-sets from the late 1930s.  What I should have said in my previous postings was that the original formation was BTL-CL-CL-BTL where one of the CLs was a 2nd/3rd composite which was downgraded to TL when the LSWR abolished 2nd class in 1918.

Chris KT

9 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said:

The door droplights don't look right to me. Also, where are the dynamos and battery boxes on the brake coaches? 

When built (in 1906-10) as 4 coach sets two out of the four had battery boxes etc.  When the SR reduced them to 3-sets in the later 1930s two out of the three had b/boxes.  So it's OK for one brakes not to have them but not both.

Chris KT

10 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

That's if they were in LSWR livery in that condition. 

 

A lot of the pre grouping SR coaches were rebuilt in SR days. The Hornby ones for example were extended in length.

 

 

 

 

Jason

The EFE ones are basically as built by the LSWR except they would have had Mansell wheels in LSWR days.  Plus they ran as 4 coach sets with the addition of an 8 compartment lavy third which EFE are not doing.

Chris KT  

10 hours ago, MattR said:

I wonder if EFE Rail will ever do LSWR stock in LSWR livery? I wonder how hard they'd be to repaint ...

In LSWR days they were 4 coach sets so you would really need an 8 compartment lavy third as well.

Chris KT

10 hours ago, phil-b259 said:

 

As regards the EFE ex LSWR coaches I notice from the images that in the Malachite green pack the brake 3rds are missing the all important ‘3’ from the doors. Is this just a case of an oversight on pre-production samples used to create the product image or will the coaches indeed turn up missing their ‘3’s

They're already en route on the high seas so I fear the '3's are going to be missing.   Also the coach numbers of the BR versions should have 'S' suffixes.

And, to be picky, 2955 in set 130 should be 2983, and 2679 in set 314 should be 2979.

Chris KT

Yes, but in LSWR days they were 4-sets with an additional 8 compt lavy third not being modelled.

Chris KT

On 25/10/2022 at 21:05, Jack P said:

 

Possibly the Mk.1's, but the Maunsell's are missing a fairly significant portion of the diagrams available. R0/R1 stock + all the other oddities, like the nondescript coaches. 

 

I appreciate that you're making a (very valid) point. But this is me moaning about the lack of maunsell stock 😆

It might be 'greedy' but even sticking to Maunsell R4 stock several sets were not pure 'Hornby' but had examples of '1935' stock - D2008, D2113 - with the earlier stock.  And from 1956 when second class was abolished and third renamed second R1 nondescripts now classed as Open Seconds were incorporated in several W. Section. otherwise R4, 8-sets.

Chris KT

On 23/10/2022 at 19:14, Oldddudders said:

Too many Maunsells? Hardly a disappointment! Admittedly most of mine are in olive, but these are very fine renditions. I take your point about strategic selling by Bachmann, though. But I can't be alone among modellers buying more than needed 'just in case', and being better able to change eras. A handful of BCK Bulleids would be very welcome, although Phoenix S6723S is sitting here begging for the couplings to be changed so it can become my Torrington branch coach. 

Are you sure you have a Phoenix D2406?  Yes, one was planned relatively late in the day but I don't recall one actually being produced. 

Chris KT

47 minutes ago, Ian J. said:

I'm presuming, and I could be wrong here, that this set 69 could be in any formation that went to the West of England, most likely beyond Exeter. In terms of actual other sets likely to be in such formations, I'd need to consult the Excel list as per https://sremg.org.uk/coach/sets.html, and Mike King's book on Southern Coaches.

The 2-sets also formed through portions to Swanage for a time, as stated in ACWNs up to 1952 but according to Notices from 1953 on they were henceforth West of England only.

Chris KT

No - 14/943/1142 was a Hudswell Clarke.

The Hawthorn Leslie was SHT 13, GWR 974 renumbered 1144 Sep 1948.  It does on the face of it look pretty similar but the filler cap is the other side of the dome. 

Chris KT

I don't  mind packs of three but I don't really want six wagons.  But to get a mixture of D1478 and D1479 to suit my period (48-61) I have to buy a pack of three of each.  More mixed packs would have been useful, so it's the options I object to.

Chris KT

'Fowler Locos' / Haresnape / IA has the image in lined workshop grey and says it was actually delivered to traffic in plain glossy black.  Furthermore it has a photo in plain black at Derby dated 1/1/1920 ("two days after completion") of 2290 making its first trial trip.

Chris KT

On 24/09/2022 at 19:35, mullie said:

Rob

 

Did you mean this one? http://www.p4layouts.org.uk/leysdown.html

 

I had a dialogue with owner some years ago because one of the two coach sets used on the layout is very similar to that used in the final days of the Portland branch in Dorset.

 

Martyn

 

They are indeed the same sets (513 & 514) which had a fairly peripatetic existence after the Sheppey Light Railway closed in 1950 including a stint on the Weymouth-Portland-Easton branch.

Chris KT

1 hour ago, rembrow said:

 

1 hour ago, rembrow said:

Is there an error with the late BR livery as the wheel held by the lion is facing forward on both sides. Dapol made a mistake on the D with the early BR in not having the lion facing forward on both sides, this is correct on the samples for the early D1  but the late crests are now incorrectly forward facing on both sides. The earlier livery samples of the late crest version was ok. I will e-mail Rails as when the D error was identified  they and Dapol were unwilling to replace the tender top  unless 31246 was one of the few BR late crest with forward facing on both sides.

Yes good to see that 31741 now has a forward facing early emblem on the right as well as the left (so I've now ordered one)!  Also good to see the corrected lining on 31246's cab side.  31246 was one of seven D1s which did receive forward facing late crests on both sides so is actually correct.  Info from 'Southern Style After Nationalisation, 1948-1964' / John Harvey / HMRS.

I'm still annoyed about my D with backward facing early emblem and still haven't got round to changing it!

Chris KT   

2 hours ago, rembrow said:

 

Mike has covered most, if not all, SR designed EMU stock though given the complexities and variations of the suburban units using LSWR/SECR/LBSCR bodywork probably only a selection of those.  I don't think he's done any BR Mark 1 based units.

Chris KT

So could Seaton which had just about the most minimal track plan possible using just five turnouts/points. 

Chris KT

23 hours ago, Staffordshire said:

      I doubt this little loco BR Number 1 'Hercules'  ever went through Little Bytham.

 

         Comments welcome ....

Yes, an intriguing engine (Peckett 810 of 1900) which was never a GWR loco despite the GW safety valve.  It was acquired by BR in 1948 from the Ystalyfera Tin Works which was in liquidation.  It was derelict when taken over and the safety valve was fitted during the requisite overhaul.  It was allocated to Gurnos and was withdrawn from there in Jan 1954.  The photo shows its 'good' side as there was no nameplate on the right!  Chris KT

I have 3d printed body shells for sets 513/514, from memory from Rue d' Etropal (via Shapeways).

Chris KT 

Yes,  according to Bradley 3440 was loaned to the K&ESR in December 1941 and remained there until the end of 1949.  It was replaced by an O1 in Jan 1950 when it went to Guildford.  It was renumbered 30576 on 9/4/1948 at Ashford while still in Kent.  It was the first of the 18 0395s which became BR property to be withdrawn, in Dec 1950 due to fractured frames. 

Chris KT

4 hours ago, andytrains said:

Ben Alder was a classic example. Set aside for preservation leading a nomadic life and then scrapped because the boiler was not original.

There was a plan to fit a Drummond boiler from a LSWR M7 0-4-4T which had, I believe, identical dimensions to the original, and a withdrawn M7 was set aside for a time for that purpose.  But, of course, for whatever reasons, this sadly never came to fruition.

Chris KT

Yes, must have been an S15, though I don't recall seeing any such post or article.  If one altered the running plate and changed the cab it would probably look the part.  But depending how particular you are bear in mind that the pitch of the Maunsell S15 boiler is 9ft above rail level while the Urie S15 is only 8ft 7.5in.  A difference of 4.5in equivalent to 1.5mm in 4mm scale.  Would one notice if you didn't lower the boiler?

Assuming there is sufficient clearance in the Hornby S15 a 3D printed Urie loco body to fit the Hornby chassis would appear to be a feasible project.  I wonder if anyone has considered it?

Chris KT 

On 04/04/2022 at 22:48, Bluebell Model Railway said:

Hi Martin,
 When they show a photo of a lined Maunsell Dining carriage.... and then they show that... it's kind of false advertising for me... as it's not representative of what they are selling you, When I asked all those years ago.. will this be lined out, the answer was yes, I think there's two R30030 and 30A... but god knows, the information is vague 1927 and 1930 being mentioned when they were reclassified open thirds.
For me that sounds early on rather than later... Oh well more money having to be spent 

They (as Compo Saloons) never ran with Restaurant Firsts after 1947, either - they always ran with four Restaurant Buffets converted from RFs in 1947!

Chris KT