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I don't believe the DVT featured in the International Train, that had it's own brake vehicle along the lines of the BFOs IIRC

It had a BFK with compartments and I believe a conference compartment as well. The Mk3 "Internationals" ended up in Ireland and only the BFK wasn't refurbished and used in service, it being kept for spares though IÉ did consider re-building it as a driving trailer the coaches being push-pull ready.

maybe 100mph was allowed for the 47/7s but only; 1) on the E-G, and 2)as long as they had an enhanced maintenance schedule (which I presume they did)?

Can't remember if it's been mentioned previously but did Scotland even have any other 100mph lines (for LH trains)?

There were 100 mph sections for part of the Glasgow-Aberdeen line running some/all of the sections between Larbert-Stirling, Gleneagles-Perth, Dundee-Arbroath and Laurencekirk-Stonehaven more or less as now.

I think they were first introduced for the HSTs.

Introduction is due from the May timetable change on Edinburgh-Aberdeen, but only one service will be available.

Wheelset checks, certain VTWC Super Voyagers have been taken out of service for checks too. A set of points on the North Coast line has been causing flange back contact to passing trains.

Certainly is. My first time as well (and the same for Glenn and Alex as far as I know) so it'll be quite an adventure.We ticked off Perth four years ago (and very enjoyable it was too) but I've never been to Model Rail Scotland as a punter let alone an exhibitor.

Well I hope you enjoy it, Ivery gone every year bar one for as long as I can remember and I always thoroughly enjoyed it. I've always found the layout to be of a very high standard and the wide array of sellers mean I've never managed to cone away without buying something! I'm sure you'll have been to some pretty busy exhibitions but I find that the atmosphere is something else when layouts are surrounded by crowds often 10 people deep.

Don't forget to polish your dirk and water your sporran.

Enjoy.

 

Mike.

Just make sure that it's uisge beatha - water of life!

Look forward to seeing the layout in the flesh on Saturday, is this its first time at Model Rail Scotland?

When first introduced the 47/7s still had a 95 mph "official" maximum. We're they able to run at 95 from their introduction or were linespeeds on the Edinburgh and Glasgow still 90 max? Also when we're the 47/7s "officially" allowed to run at 100 mph? Cheers, Ben

Actually, having looked at the photo again the 47/7-hauled train appears to have a somewhat unusual formation. Instead of the standard (?) 47/7-4 Mk3a TSO-Mk3a FO-Mk2f DBSO of the blue/grey period, am I right in thinking this set is formed 47/7-2 Mk3a TSO-Mk2 (air-con) First of some variety (possibly the disc-braked Mk2f FO?)-Mk3a FO-then presumably a Mk2f DBSO, though the last vehicle is obscured by the signal post.

Thank you all very much for your informative replies, it's quite interesting to read how things have changed over the years.

Thank you, that's very helpful. This was the picture which prompted my question, I hope it's alright to link to it: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95960212@N08/23138089752/

It's been a while since I posted in this thread, but I've been looking at some photos on various sites for inspiration, always a dangerous pastime (!) and in doing so I came across a shot of a 47/7 push-pull set at Haymarket. In the background, facing westwards towards Glasgow there is one of the original-style HST differential speed boards with HST 100 on it. Presently the linespeed out of Haymarket is 90 until about half a mile before Edinburgh Park station. So my question is why and when did the PSRs change (was it because the 158s coukd only "officially" do 90 or something of that nature) and what were the 100 mph sections on the Edinburgh and Glasgow at the time of the Class 47/7s? My grateful thanks for everyone's patience in dealing with my oft altogether very difficult to answer questions, I don't intend to make them so difficult, honest, they just always seem to end up that way!

I seem to recall reading somewhere that both Cross-Country and ECML InterCity 125 services ran from Glasgow Queen Street under BR. I'm curious as to which services were operated (I believe there was a Cross-Country to Cleethorpes and an ECML service which ran in the place of a peak time Glasgow-Edinburgh shuttle and ran through to King's Cross) but does anyone know exactly which services operated from the late 70s-90s out of Queen St. Also, how quick were they Queen Street to Waverley, did any beat the 41 minutes if the Class 27 push-pull shuttles? Thanks for any information anyone can provide, regards Ben.

Looking back through this thread, the graphic created back in 2013 to illustrate the passenger rakes operating on Aberdeen Kirkhill, I was wondering if any of the rakes have been altered in formation since or indeed if you have any additional rakes. I believe I'm correct in thinking that two HST power cars (at least one buffer-fitted) and 30-odd freight vehicles have been added since then but I'm not entirely sure if you have any extra passenger sets (possibly a third HST set ?) Apologies if this has been covered in a post since then or indeed in the Railway Modeller article and I've missed it.

Looking forward to the 442s coming back.  Unless they have their seats replaced with class 387/700/707-style ironing boards.

Don't know what type of seating they'really getting, but it's supposed to be 2+2 style in First and Standard, rather like the 450s. The 444s are apparently going to get the same treatment in the not too distant future.

Yes, when the EuroCity (EC) coaches were refurbished and few years ago they were all made push-pull compatible with the EW IVs. Indeed most, though not all, EW IV push-pull sets have at least one EC coach in the formation these days. The basic EW IV InterRegio set consists of 7 coaches: Re460-AS-A-Bpm-B-B-B-Bt. The Bpm is a Second Class EC coach which provides wheelchair accommodation and an accessible toilet. The remaining vehicles are all EWIVs. Several push-pull sets, particularly those used on InterCity workings contain a mixture of EC and EW IV vehicles. From what I have observed the EuroCity vehicles are more common in InterCity push-pull sets but this is by no means a set rule.

If you could scan the ones that cover the Stirling to Perth section, that would be great. Thanks

Having scoured various websites, included the obvious Amazon and eBay, as well as bookstalls at Model Rail Scotland and other exhibitions over the past year I have as yet been unable to find a copy of the ScotRail timetable for the period for which I wish to model. I already have numerous Platform 5 pocket books as well as a Loco-Hauled Travel book by Metro for the period so I have an idea of the stock and a general idea of the services for the period. However, lacking a proper timetable is making it difficult to be exact about non-loco-hauled services, HST services and times at intermediate locations so I'm hoping that someone could do me a favour in scanning the Glasgow to Perth, Dundee and Aberdeen pages (Weekdays and Sundays if possible) for any or all of the years 1986, '87 or '88. Either by posting them here or dropping me a PM and e-mailing themy to me. Failing this if anyone knows of any websites/bookshops where I might find copies of said timetables I'd be very grateful. Thank you in advance, Ben

VTEC are retaining seven sets, shortened to 7-coaches for use on Edinburgh limited stop services. They are being shorted to 7-coaches from 9 so they will have a similar level of acceleration to the IEPs.

There are planned to be 11 sets of 2+4 HSTs. These will consist of 11 sets of trailer cars and 24 power cars which GWR will retain after the IEPs fully enter service. The sets will be fitted with retention tanks, so one toilet per coach maximum, and sliding doors. Formations are planned to be DM-TGS-TSD-TS-TS-DM. Full service is supposed to be from the December 2018 timetable change on an hourly frequency though some services are supposed to be operated by the first of the 'mini'-HST sets from the 11th September this year.

Diagrams:

Mondays to Fridays

0600 Penzance-Exeter St Davids only, as opposed to Cardiff Central. (A replacement service from St James' Park to Cardiff Central will operate however.)

1017 Exeter St Davids-Penzance

1345 Penzance-Plymouth

1557 Plymouth-Penzance

1916 Penzance-Plymouth

2242 Plymouth-Penzance (Mon-Thurs Only. An HST from Paddington will run instead on Fridays)

Sundays

1943 Plymouth-Penzance

Isn't Morpeth the tightest curve on a 'proper' mainline? I've heard it said that the curve turns the ECML 96 degrees and it currently has a limit of 50 mph either way, it was 40 in the early 1960s. And I think the curve at Witham leading onto the Braintree branch must be one of the tightest on an open passenger railway line in Britain, I believe the limit round the curve is just 5 mph.

This link may be of use: http://www.styria-mobile.at/home/Austro-SwissRailwaySignalling/asr/ensigchfz.html

I was once told it takes an IC225 about 5-5.25 mins to get up to 125mph from a standing start, thought this is obviously dependant on good rail conditions. For comparison an IC125 in 2+7 formation is, according to BR documentation, capable of doing 0-100mph in 3 mins 15 secs and then 100-125mph in a further 4 mins, in other words 0-125mph takes about 7.25 mins.

So it would seem that an IC225 could get up to 125mph between Grantham and Newark, though the line is not 125 the whole way. Starting out from Grantham it's 100mph for about 0.5 miles, then 115 for about 2.5 and finally up to 125 for the last 11.75 miles into Newark.

If you'd care for a scan of the 1962 Summer Timetable for Glasgow (Buchanan Street), Stirling, Perth, Forfar and Aberdeen, let me know. Or a list of observed formations that differ from the booked ones.

While I realise it's a bit late and all, it may still prove of interest: until 1962 the following blanket maximum speed limits applied to mainlines on the Regions of British Railways:

Eastern - 90mph

North Eastern - 90mph

London Midland - 90mph

Southern - 85mph

Scottish - 75mph

Western - technically none until a blanket 90mph limit was introduced in 1965.

From 1962 two 100mph sections were introduced on the ECML within England. I am fairly certain that official over 75mph running was introduced in Scotland with the advent of the 90mph Class 27 Edinburgh to Glasgow shuttles.

As a side note some pretty high speeds were attained with the A4s on the Glasgow Aberdeen runs, 80 mph was quite common between Perth and Stirling, particularly downhill from Gleneagles or Dunblane, while on the Strathmore route proper I have seen a timing log that shows a run from Forfar to Perth where Perth was reached in 27 mins 32 seconds against the booked 32 mins for the 32.5 miles, with speeds of up to 92mph attained through Coupar Angus!

The doors will be Vapour Stone electric powered single-leaf plug doors with the Wilee door control system.