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    Western Identification Sought

    in Diesel Hydraulic Group

    Posted

    In the summer of 1972 the family was on holiday in the Cornwall/Devon area.

    I managed to badger my Dad into stopping at Plymouth Station for about half an hour, in the hope that I might see a Warship - little did I know then, that they'd had a heavy purge the year before, so never actually saw one in service. Anyway, as a special holiday bonus, I was allowed 3 frames from the families holiday film to take at the station, and took one of a 47, a 'Peak' No 122 (is that a '45?), and this one:

     

    attachicon.gifWesternPlymouth1972.jpg

     

    The thing is, at this distance in time, (precisely) 45 years-on, I can't be 100% sure of it's identity. I always had it as D1051 'Western Ambassador' in my mind for some reason, so perhaps something stuck from the day, but is there any way to tell for sure? Was there anything specific marking that loco out from the others that might positively identify it as such from the photo?

     

    Cheers

    Hi Billy,

     

    By a huge coincidence,I was also on a family holiday in Cornwall in August 1972,and on the 8th I absented myself from family stuff and took the "CRE" from Penzance to Plymouth,hauled by Western Centurion. I took the long walk to Laira,and managed to get around the depot.If you had done the same,your wish of seeing Warships in service would have come true! There were 6 serviceable examples there,plus 3 in store.But,to the point of your question,it may(or may not) help your identification if I listed the Westerns I saw that day,both at the station and at Laira:

     

    D1026 D1036 D1046 D1057(which hauled my train back to Penzance)  D1009 D1021 D1038 D1054 D1059 D1063 D1008 D1011 D1013 D1019 D1023 D1024 D1028 D1031 D1033 D1042 D1051 D1053 D1054  806 Cambrian was seen at the station. Some of these Westerns were seen both at Laira and the station.I am not a Western recognition expert by any stretch,but maybe this list might narrow down the i.d. of the loco in your picture..?

     

    Neil

    On This Day In History

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted

     

    ON THIS DAY IN HISTORY 9 8 71

     

    Willesden Jct.

     

    5183 7607 7629 7658 7665 7666 Electrics: 3051 3052 3056 3074 3075 3094 3105 3110 3118 3123 3134 3136 3137 3143 3153 3161 3164 3175 3179 3183 3189

     

    3199

     

    Old Oak Common

     

    D819 842 855 857

     

    D1001 D1006 D1007 D1008 D1028 D1031 D1032 D1033 D1036 D1039 D1040 D1044 D1045 D1047 D1063 D1071 D1072

     

    1585 1593 1594 1602 1609 1636 1639 1640 1642 1650 1651 1652 1653 1656 1657 1664 1665 1675 1678 1679 1718 1738 1745 1750 1755 1928

     

    3051 3966 4000 4003 4166 5501 5505 5518 5524 5528 5530 5535 5536 5539

     

    6546 6564 6572 6574 6583 6584 6592 6965

     

    D7026 D7029 D7031 D7045 D7046 D7066 D7081 E6032

     

    Both depots were visited,then the day was spent on the footbridge from the canal tow path over the exit from OOC's carriage sidings.A few points of interest:Westerns Rifleman and Emperor were noted as double heading,not common at this end of the WR.D7081 was probably already in store,having apparently been damaged by fire the previous month-the Hymek with the shortest working life? 857 came down from the West London line on empty milk tanks.

    This bridge gave a good view of passing freights on the West London line.

     

    Neil

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    On This Day In History

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted

    Reminds me of the story I was once told by a relief signalman who used to work the boxes on the Berks & Hants line. He used to choose his picks for the pools coupon from the last two numbers of the Westerns that passed by during the last shift he did before a Saturday.

     I've used some of the Hydraulic class designations for my lottery numbers since it started. Guess what? I'm still having to work.....

     

    Neil

    Neil's Hydraulic pics

    in Diesel Hydraulic Group

    Posted

    Regrettably not from me, as an impoverished 17 year old apprentice, money was tight, it either went on rail fares or film in varying percentages, I must have been flush that weekend, took quite a few pics in London village.

     

    Mike.

     

    I was a 12 year old urchin whose money went on watching QPR and/or spotting trips to the London termini and the like.Did you take any Warship  pictures that day,and do you still have a record of what you saw...???

     

    Neil

    Neil's Hydraulic pics

    in Diesel Hydraulic Group

    Posted

    attachicon.gif1-MSP - 056 - 1057.1008 Old Oak Common.jpg

     

    D1057/D1008. 81A. 11.4.71.

     

    I've been keeping my powder dry on this one, but now you can have it!

     

    Mike.

     

    Cracking shot Mike. I have D1057 logged at Southall on 7 4 71,and at Ealing Broadway the day after. A further sight of Chieftan was on the occasion of the Reading depot open day on 19 6 71.Of course,to my young eyes back then,it was just another Western.Wish I could remember more of those times....

     

    Neil

    Downendian details

    in Modifying & Detailing RTR stock

    Posted

    Not an especially high quality photo (taken on an iPad in low light) of D6327 now nearing completion (a bit more weathering, pipework and crew to fit). D6 and 40066 on the last stages too with headcode discs, wipers and roof fan to fit.

    I'll get the SLR out later.attachicon.gifIMG_2039.JPG

    Neil

    Hi Neil,

     

    22 looking good.I have done the same repaint myself,a bit tricky getting the yellow panel square with all the bits on front of loco.What a difference a repaint makes to the rather insipid Dapol blue.

    Will you be adding some coolant streaks from the fan area? Will look forward to seeing your D6..

     

    Neil

    On This Day In History

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted

    ON THIS DAY IN HISTORY 13 4 71

     

    Southall-Paddington-Southall

     

    D837 867  D1001 D1010 D1024 D1035 D1044 D1055 D1058 D1064 D1067

     

    1598 1659 1667 1670 1684 1714 1948    3601 3954 3961 3966 4177

     

    7606 5513 5536  D7023 D7028 D7032 D7033 D7036

     

    Kings Cross

     

    159 184 188 259 277

     

    1106 1108 1109 1503 1511 1517 1538 1543 1548 1549 1552 1566 1621 1761 1762 1763 1764 1992 1996 1999

     

    5588 5592 5593 5594 5599 5601 5603 5610 5612 5614 5624 5627 5646 5647 5678

     

    9009 9012 9015 9020

     

    St Pancras

     

    22 35 38 41 45 68 83 86 87 98 152   1631 1949   3306

     

    Euston

     

    7530   E3001 E3008 E3053 E3079 E3088 E3123 E3130 E3136 E3169 E3170 E3175 E3176 E3181 E3190 E3192 E3197 E3199

     

    Waterloo

     

    818   E6023  E6102 E6109

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    On This Day In History

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted

     

    ON THIS DAY IN HISTORY 15 2 71

     

    Southall-Paddington-Southall

     

    803 D817 825 D837 842

     

    D1001 D1006 D1013 D1022 D1030 D1032 D1040 D1044 D1045 D1047

     

    1594 1611 1637 1639 1646 1657 1660 1672 1677 1678 1772 1911 1925

     

    3601 3602 3961 3963 3999 4026

     

    5528 5530 5539 5657

     

    6326 6356

     

    D7012 D7026 D7032 D7037 D7065 D7066

     

    Wish I could remember any of it....

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    Abbotswood junction - Original layout - thread now closed please see Abbotswood and Norton Junctions

    in Layout topics

    Posted

    I can only echo Neil's comments about the show - many thanks to the Newbury club committee for inviting us, covering costs and arranging accommodation. The recommendation for a curry for the Friday night - Chillies, which is right next to the station - was also top notch, excellent food. The only thing missing there was the background sound of Westerns hammering through as we ate....

     

    Neil's comment based on his first trip out with us are also very kind. Yes it is a huge amount of work and we were all absolutely whacked by the close of play yesterday. I could not do it without a robust crew and Pierre, Neil and Digby yesterday were top notch. We did have some initial challenges - the lead connecting ECoS to the layout was shorting and needed resoldering and stock was initially recalcitrant but those issues were quickly sorted. I also managed to compromise a couple of signals during installation so apologies to those who rightly pointed out our consistent spading.

     

    Digby was also a first timer but also got to grips quickly. The ideal situation is if I can leave the crew to operate and leave myself free to trouble shoot and that worked very well yesterday. I was also able to do a bit of driving with my iPhone which as Jimbo has pointed out makes for slicker operations. We also acquired an additional crew member! A young lad approached us on Friday evening during set up and plainly knew the layout well - he had seen us on Youtube, We therefore told him to report back for duty on Saturday.

     

    We couldn't spend time with him at the beginning due to the issues mentioned above but he came back later and rapidly picked up how to drive - and Neil was kind enough to spend a long time supervising. The public display continued as usual but there was also hopefully one very hatppy young man. As Neil said above the way ECoS is configured makes it pretty intuitive as long as you can remember which folder the routes are lurking in.

     

    Thanks also to the many RMwebbers who dropped by - great to put a face to Neil 40034 and Colin Penfold in particular . I was also badgered by the folks from the purveyor of scenic items to purchase an appropriate item of wildlife - photo to follow

     

    All in all a great day out - and the news when we got home re the rugby result was the icing on the cake although the Welsh contingent were not happy...

     

    Hee hee

     

    Phil

     

    Hi Phil,

    Great to meet you and Neil at Newbury on Saturday.No doubt a lot of hard work for you to transport and set up for a one-day show.

    Abbotswood is a top layout,with terrific loco's and stock,keep up the good work!

     

    Neil

    Mainly Trains Winding Down

    in Smaller Suppliers

    Posted

    My parents retired to Chandlers Ford,and upon visiting them and exploring the area I was amazed to come across the Mainly Trains emporium in the precinct.

     

    I bought lots of stuff there,admittedly all r-t-r,and the service was always friendly and helpful.

     

    All the best to the owners in their retirement.

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    Project 43 - The North British B-B Warships

    in Bachmann

    Posted

    Thanks to plural Neils - Downendian and t-other Neil too!

     

    Will be great to see you both

    Have done 864 underframes with Precision Pullman Umber over grey primer and thus far am not impressed. Needs going over again possibly with some added black.... looks much too pale. Will post a picture tonight although the light wont be good!

     

    And yup its a tough life in Churchdown works.....! Poor old Jimbo has had two bouts of norovirus since Christmas and has been suffering from cabin fever too...hence my encouragement. Tough love. He was game for starting 3 more warships but I suggested it might be a good idea to get those in hand completed first...so if we get these done for Newbury there could be a further batch done for Nottingham in March!

     

    Phil

    Regarding Newbury-likewise! Thanks for the paint info.Look forward to seeing the result.

    Give the lad a break...!

    Project 43 - The North British B-B Warships

    in Bachmann

    Posted

    Hi Neil - Newbury appearance certainly is still on - see link on my signature. Will you be paying a visit?

     

    Zambesi had hit the buffers once transferred and varnished as Jimbo - the spray gum meister - has been ill since Christmas

     

    However good news - he materialised this afternoon and was rapidly pointed in the direction of the spray gun! Zambesi's underframes were first on the hit list - followed by D6975 AND D326's FYEs, along with roof and frame dirt on D838, D1584, D125, D849 and D8175

     

    So plenty of new power for Newbury if progress continues at that rate - although D1584 and D843 need a trip to Howes for Bryan to weave his magic, that will no doubt cost me another visit to Huffkins in Burford....

     

    And started the "A" exams on all the other power today too....

     

    Phil

    Hello Phil,

    Will be paying a visit to Newbury,easy for me to get to.And,with all the additions to your fleet,better bring my Combined Volume...

    So Jimbo (your son?) gets out of his sick bed and is forced into the spray booth immediately-it's a harsh regime at your place...

    Huffkins in Burford-a Chipping Norton set hang-out..?? Can I ask what colour/paint manufacturer you used for D864's u/frame please? I have one to do myself.

    Cheers,

    Neil

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    Project 43 - The North British B-B Warships

    in Bachmann

    Posted

    Robert, thanks for posting a query on the Yahoo Hydraulics group. And as is usually the case the answer emerged - from Martin Street - thank you both, Gentlemen.

     

    All Warships had their MU jumpers removed around 1965 and, as is common knowledge, a number of the Swindon loco’s had them refitted in early 68 for the 2 x 42 diagrams on the West of England services. However, prior to this it would appear Old Oak carried out a trial working of pairs of type 43’s in mid 67, refitting D833, D835, D857 and D864. The cables were soon removed from the first two but they stayed on the later two. In fact D857 even had the white diamonds painted on the buffer beam similar to the Class 42’s. I don’t believe that the MU cables were ever used after the short trial.

     

    So that's no MU cables in this livery then. And in the absence of other photos have had to make some assumptions....

     

    attachicon.gifDSC00917.JPG

     

    If anyone with access to any other photos spots an error please shout - will seal the transfers with varnish in a couple of days, then there is no going back!

     

    Cheers

     

    Phil

    Any Zambesi update Phil?

     

    btw,is your appearance(and presumably Abbotswood) at Newbury next month still happening?

     

    Neil

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    Downendian details

    in Modifying & Detailing RTR stock

    Posted

    Presumably another option would be to take out the gears and use it as a free-running unpowered loco for double heading - I've never tried this but it is a thought.

     

    Funnily enough I stumbled over an old Craftsman conversion kit for the disc front Warship when I went to a Toyfair in Newark on New Year's Day - for a fiver it would have been rude to leave it in the tray! Is this how you did yours?

     

    John.

    Evening John,

    Yep,a double header would look good,would remind me of seeing them belting through Southall when I were t'lad...

    I tried the Craftsman conversion a while ago,went at it like a bull in a china shop and the donor Mainline 42 was a write off.Lesson learned.Had one more Mainline left,so tried again.Took a lot more time,checking cut on front as I went,and it has panned out quite well.It's in u/coat till I get a can of diesel green,will be D811.The extra lamp on the nose needs careful lining up.

    A fiver? Can't go wrong!! Will you use Mainline or Bachmann for yours?

    Neil

    Downendian details

    in Modifying & Detailing RTR stock

    Posted

    The Hermes crest was printed on the mainline model Neil, as you say I don't recall an etched plate being available.

    Despite being non-motorised, I was pleased with the purchase, it has been well weathered.

    Edit Phil beat me to it!

    Neil

    Yep,remember it now,and being pleased with a really decent Warship model.

    As said previously,would like to know in the fullness of time how you motorise Hermes!

    Neil

    Downendian details

    in Modifying & Detailing RTR stock

    Posted

    Hi Phil,

    That jogged my memory,I did have a couple of those way back when.Think I had a green one,Highflyer maybe?

    A great model for it's day..

    Neil

    Downendian details

    in Modifying & Detailing RTR stock

    Posted

    Hi Neil

    Yes I've given it some thought- the mainline motor housing looks too small for a DVD motor (my scheme for remotoring Lima diesels). I plan to double motor it, or use a Bachmann chassis as I've got some spare bits from a D804 model that suffered Mazak rot.

    I will look further into this, as I have a few Mainline warships of old.

    823 does indeed have the HMS Hermes crest, it's at the far end!

    Neil

    Neil,

    Thanks for the info. A DVD motor sounds intricate! I was wondering if the current R/Road motor bogie might fit.

    I took my time with the Craftsman disc h/c fitting,it's panned out ok. My plan is to use a D804 model for a 2nd conversion,even though the Mazak curse has struck,although not too badly.

    Second hand traders still seem to ask for daft prices for Mainline 42's...

    Didn't know the Hermes crest was available,could be one on the to do list..

    Neil

    Downendian details

    in Modifying & Detailing RTR stock

    Posted

    The Genesis 1/557 (Marcroft built) diesel brake tender now approaching completion.

    Still to do lamp irons, handrails and brake wheels. I've spent a few minutes trying to locate a purchase from 51L this afternoon to no avail which included the correct pattern brake wheels- they will turn up (I hope).

     

    Still to complete is the 1/555 with heavy duty Gresley bogies (the MJT castings need a bit of a rework to get the wheels in), and a 1/556 long body Stanier bogies. They've been getting some attention the past week.

    Some pitfalls along the way with the Marcroft tender. The bogie mounting points needed adjusting in order to get the Stanier bogies to fit, they are Bachmann spares, and I'm quite pleased with how they are mounted. They are bolted on, but some degree of suspension is provided by mounting the bogie on some fishing rubber rig tubing! The bolts grip the white metal well, ably assisted with PTFE tape. The fox transfers are lovely, although the "XP" decal is a trifle too big, I've still yet to add more decals. The yellow warning panels, don't try and shortcut this by not using the white backing transfer- guess how I know this! Although the Genesis kit is overwidth, but I'm pleased with the results.

     

    A bit of a cosmetic shot here, 823 is an unpowered mainline warship I've recently picked up for a tenner, as it has a rather excellent weathering job. I will endeavour to power this up at some point this year.

     

    The ballast brake van (a Cambrian kit) is now nearly complete needing decals and weathering, and is behind 823.

    attachicon.gifIMG_1933.JPG

    Neil

    Hi Neil,

    The Mainline Warship looks good,does it have the ship's crest?

    I have backdated an ancient Mainline Warship to disc headcode configuration.Needless to say,the motor packed up years ago.Do you have any ideas/advice on how to motorise it,what do you have in mind for yours?

    Cheers,

    Neil.

    Project 43 - The North British B-B Warships

    in Bachmann

    Posted

    Thanks John

     

    Yes agree with the timing of that photo - she looks fresh off! And am also favouring umber buffer beam and buffers - I reckon that was the same on D1733.

     

    The MU being removed and reinstated is a bit puzzling - decided the scan of the OOC picture wasn't clear enough but if clearly missing then that's how she will be modelled.

     

    And as for Neil's comments re stripping and cleaning the drive gears - I suspect if that was all BR had to do to them they would have been much happier.....!!

     

    Cheers

     

    Phil

    Just realised-you said you are doing Zambesi in it's first BR blue version.So my comment is not very relevant-sorry...!!

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