Thanks Hayfield, i do try and make everything i can out of free or cheaply bought parts, i don't mind re-using second hand bits and half made or demolished stuff even from the smaller scale parts, i especially like rummaging through the scrap box at my local model shop for bits which costs just a few pennies, of course there's always something you just have to buy brand new but i try to make anything myself within my capabilities. I have a bangin' head and a stiff neck at the moment through all this weeks close-up work and efforts. I'll have this weekend off modeling, but hopefully snow fall permitting i'm off to the ELR on Sunday at Bury to see 40 106, a loco' i have'nt seen for about 30 years, it always was a fave' of mine in the '70's when still in it's battered Green condition before they repainted it. The last time i did see it was on the GCR at Loughborough, and just as it went into preservation. Thanks for all the paint info' Marc i'll give them a try when i next see some.