bill_schmidt1

Some people have mentioned boycotting his products... What if Hatton's, Kernow and any other model shop that stocks his stuff just drops him over all this??? People have pointed out certain issues with this guy from day one and its always been stifled or shouted down by those backing him in one way or another... After this latest "announcement" I cant see why anyone would stick up for him. Its the "poor old me" routine over and over again but now less people seem to care!

I find it interesting that he’s effectively been forced into making a response because of the other announcement. Yet when the important people, his customers, ask questions or are after some updates there is little in the way of answers or very slow to respond.. This isn’t taking into account the secret emails... There is still no updates on most the other projects announced by DJM..........

The other thing we might find out is if the required number of people actually signed up in the first place making this project viable. Its easy to say that the required target has been met and run with the project in the hope that more will sign up to pay the remainder of the costs, but if like what has happened and another model comes along and takes a share of that hoped for remainder costs the project ends up S**T creek without a paddle!

Is it about catching a break though? I don't see Accurascale, RevolutioN or any of the other new manufactures having half as many problems as DJM seems to be having. Dave seems to be more of a project manager and if he's not asking for the right things in the first place then its no wonder things keep going pear shaped for him.

Well he wasn't exactly courteous to other manufacturers when he gave away what new models were to be announced. Why he think's he commands that kind of respect I don't know!

Hardly hysteria... and has nothing to do with hate! The checking and treble checking was said to of been done months ago now and was ready to go to tooling. Just seems every time there is some other little problem or excuse.

Well you'd think so wouldn't you! Seems like even more bad luck on top of all the previous bad luck with other things.. Or maybe it's a communication problem.. Does seem to be more and more people voicing their reservations which others had said about long ago but got shouted down.

If the information is anything like whats in the APT-P news then people better hope Dave got a new tape measure and calculator for Christmas!

You might be happy Gary with the risk and throwing £1000 in Dave's direction but someone else might not be. They might contact Dave directly but they can also post on here seeing as Dave has used this site to his advantage to get his name about and engage with people when he sees fit. How would you of found out about this project otherwise? The point is, its not up to you or I what others decide to do with their money or who asks questions or whether they drag up things if they are not sure about something. Ouroborus only pointed out that he thought the T&Cs contradict themselves (which they do) and you decided to label him a keyboard warrior etc.. Do you not think every time you go and label someone something for asking question that you yourself might be putting people off?

If anything I'd say you are the one sounding like a keyboard warrior. People are asking perfectly reasonable questions (which should of been sorted out long ago, especially the legal stuff!) and you're straight in there to shoot them down and stamp your feet at them just because they take a different view to you!

If someone does decide to do it RTR I hope they do their research. The K class were a minefield for detail differences! If you're prepared to build a kit though instead of wishing your life away I know that South Eastern Finecast are working on the old K's/Nu cast one by fixing some of the errors and giving it a new chassis..

Sorry but what exactly do I have to answer to you? You asked my interest and I replied. You are the only one arguing about things and you're the one with no interest. Now you're throwing childish insults about. Might want to look at your own creditibity?!

I don't really care what you believe. As I said for someone who has no interest Im not sure why you're getting involved? Just like an argument? Just because I haven't posted else where doesn't mean anything. Some have only joined and praised Daves worked and not posted elsewhere. Are they counter trolls?

Erm.. I have answered you.. My interest "WAS" as a customer to Djmodels. No model railway business.. no competition.. Just someone that was interested in a few items but has been put off by certain business practices. As you have no specific interests you're not really in a position to question someone else really are you..

My interest "was" as a customer to Djmodels.. What's your interest by the way? I haven't misread anything. You said my argument was flawed.. but I didn't say anything about Daves business logic, I just pointed out that Dave said he was working on his first but he couldn't know that for sure..

I believe it's about taking the rough with the smooth.. Can't see other manufacturers moaning about a few negative comments and they have had theit fair share. Even some from yourself! You were the one that said I was inaccurate and I asked you a question in response.

Are you saying that you knew what others were working on and for how long then?

Could you point out in my comment where I said Dave knew they were working on the same products?! I was making a point about Dave saying he was working on his before others announced the same product and how would he know that they themselves weren't already working on said items before they announced them..and even then Dave did still choose to go head to head on the class 71 and HUO and was beaten to the shelves!

That's kinda flawed logic isn't it. What's to say that others were not working on theirs before they announced them? Both the Hornby King and class 71 were well advanced and reached the shops first if we're being accurate.

Exactly! This stuff should of been in place from day one (Nearly five years ago!) for all the projects that DJM have been doing or proposing to do seeing as you can buy direct or express an interest! Yet it's seen as "scrutiny and criticism" to even mention it.

I totally agree Lee and have heard much the same. I was after a few items but will wait and see if they turn up first before taking the risk I'm sure it would of run into pages in the double figures by now if this was Hornby!

Its not really a threat when you've admitted yourself that you've been late 2 years running. Maybe time spent sorting your own finances would be better than making comments on how Hornby should sort theirs?

I'm pretty sure the 2nd and 3rd are K's kits. The firebox is a different shape to the ACE models one and the tender is a give away. K's never did the tender with open coal rails. There was also the Mallard models kit for a K class which was brass like the ACE models one

I can see why the two farm owners are unhappy about it but I think the way they are trying any old excuse its pretty pathetic. I'd have more respect for them if they just said they didn't want to give up the land they now own. As has been said one of the farmers is currently seeking planning permission to build some 100 odd houses on one of his other farms yet most of their argument has been about the effect to the countryside, environment and the greed of the KESR trying to make more money. They also say it will effect the way the work their farm, yet some of the land they own isn't used for farming. Since the building of the houses on one of the farmers land has come to light there has been a shift in their argument over to the proposed level crossing on the A21. They say it will cause more traffic problems, is dangerous etc but again I haven't seen them campaigning for people to cut down on car usage or making people more aware of level crossing safety (and there are a already a few other crossing in the area). Any argument that is put forward for the railway they just shoot down and don't seem to be prepared to listen. They have a Faceache page which just seems to be the two families and friends arguing with anyone that wants the railway. As I said I can see why they are unhappy but they don't seem to be doing themselves any favours either..

Another manufacturer has been making loads of "announcements of an announcement" for quite some but never gets the flack Hornby have seem to. I do think Hornby are missing a trick by not using The Engine Shed for these type of announcements though.