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43 minutes ago, SouthernBlue80s said:

I model the 1980s

Surprised they do not do a class 31/4 and a few more blue class 56s. Perhaps 56036 in large logo.

I think these would sell well for them.

A blue 31/4 with central or offset headlight or no headlight at all would sell extremely well. It’s a mystery how one hasn’t been produced. They have the tooling for the headlight versions. Its a no brainier. Just like the Br Blue class 56’s. 3 have been produced in the super detailed incarnation. 013, 082 and 083. All sell for big money on that internet auction site. A Br Blue large logo super detailed 56 is even rarer. Only 56084 has been produced. This also goes for good money. Was hoping for one of these to go with the soon to arrive Accurascale Cawood PFA’s. A classic combination! 
 All the above are open goals for Hornby. They can’t miss. But for years now, unbelievably they have.
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Wow. Exciting announcement from Hornby. Happy for my mate that the APT is coming. He lost money on the DJM one. Like the Dutch 31. As already mentioned, disappointed there is yet again no Blue 31/4 or Railfreight non red stripe 31, or Intercity Mainline 31/4. 
Love the HST Intercity DVT’s. Would have loved them both or even one of the two to be Intercity Executive, to make a proper early East Coast mk3 + 91 combination. The Floyd 56? Just how many are going to go for one of those, where Br Blue or Br Blue Large Logo would sell by the boat load. And some more HAA’s is nice to see. Overall pretty good. 
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3 hours ago, atom3624 said:

That's me told then .... !!

 

Is nobody interested to here of / see what further progress has been made?

 

Should have colour samples now according to previous press.

 

Al.

I’m sure that if they had something to share with us, they would. These guys are very open with updates and product information. We will see evidence of progress when progress has been made. Until then, relax and look forward to what I’m sure will be a superb model.

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10 hours ago, adb968008 said:

True, indeed there is a solution that could have kept pacers running for a few more years, and therefore no need for canceled trains... and indeed see pacers running as 6 car trains in service rather than just as scrap trains...giving extra capacity in addition to, rather than replaced by  195/331’s  

Whats more ....its free too..

 

https://free-printable-signs.com/no-public-restroom-sign/

 

soon the public will learn they might have new trains, but they really wanted was longer trains, replacing 2x 2 car 142 with a 2 or 3 car 195 isn’t an increase in “space” no matter which way you cut it...even considering 319 & 170’s its barely a like for like swap... overcrowding wont go away unless you build much more. Though this is nothing new.. Pacers were introduced as a solution to the same problem of overcrowding .. but they scrapped the first generation units thus maintaining the status quo of overcrowded trains of insufficient length in the 1990’s..

 

I haven't seen a 6 or 8 car Manchester Blackpool service since the early 1980’s when 101/4/5/8’s were still around.

(url from Preston orgs website)

 

There seemed to be misguided belief that in getting rid of the old, overcrowding the new would see further investment.. it didnt happen then... lets see if it happens now.

 

When in reality, most passengers really don’t care what train gets them to/from work. They just want it to run on time and have a seat. It’s politics that has seen the pacers be stood down, while services are short formed all over the place, with passengers rammed on a two car like sardines. 
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6 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Its not info, its a guess... please re-read.

 

but factually the first 150 sprinter is already older than a pacer as it is, and in 2029 the first ones will be 44 years old... what makes you think Sprinters will go into 50 years plus ?..
 

not much passenger stock runs past 40 years old, government policy is to eradicate diesel technology, so expect inroads into this area much as PRM was the reason for scrapping 142,143,144,153,mk3,mk4,90,91,313,314,315,317, HST in 2019... with plans already being made for replacing 318,507,508,455 in the next few years... indeed some feel 220/1/2 & 180’s are living on borrowed time.

 

put it another way, in 2010 if someone had said class 91’s and mk4’s would be gone in a decade, and class 73’s would be working in Scotland i’d have expected a similar response to yours then too... but yet in 2014 the decision was made to replace them too.

combinations of hydrogen, battery, electric will make their mark in the next decade, irrespective of if a Sprinter has a new roof... fitting a PRM toilet to 144012 at £375k wasnt enough to have saved it.

 

 

 

The £375k cost to turn 144012 PRM compliant was because it was the one and only. If the entire 23 fleet had been done, costs would have been reduced dramatically. Seats didn’t have to get changed for the ironing board ones. Lights didn’t have to get changed to LED spot lights. Overhead  Luggage racks did not have to get stripped out. Lift up disabled ramp built into step well never worked (finger trap danger) so could have been done away with. Toilet SOS button could have done with flap to cover it as toilet users press it thinking it opens the door despite the SOS sign. Most annoying announcements continue until it can be cancelled. If they had just done the PRM toilet, information screens + cab destination screen Trains FX system, costs would have been a lot more reasonable. They did an amazing job with 144012. If their was the political will, they could have had the refurb and continued for years to come. They are my favourite unit to drive. Good visibility. Good heaters. Simple and straightforward to rectify faults. 144012 was sat in platform 7 at Leeds this morning. 
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2 hours ago, Waverley47708 said:

 

There was also a rake of Mk2 non air con coaches . 

Got the TSO and the FK on preorder. No idea when they are due. Will go nice with Kernow’s Blue and Grey Scotrail double TSO pack.

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2 hours ago, Accurascale Fran said:

Hi everyone,

 

We have drawn up a formation guide to give you guys some prototype inspiration for the PFAs! 

 

Cheers!

 

Fran

 

42 wagons, 38 wagons, 27 and 26 wagon lengths. You’re going to have to produce some more running numbers lads!

Really looking forward to these.
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9 hours ago, tractor_37260 said:

 

Thanks....have you got contact details for Jamie ? Zimo or Lok4/5 decoder ?

Not 100% accurate for a planned Class 27 but "near enough" - similar PM with different electrical equipment.

 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F303271277241

On eBay. I bought one the other day. Can’t wait to put it in a 25 worthy of it.

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10 hours ago, berwicksfinest said:

Original Provincial

 

Tyne & Wear PTE 

 

for me

I think these may come along with the as new Metrotrain 144’s. I and many more are patiently waiting for these! At the moment Realtrack don’t have the original bus seat interior. This will come along once the 142 project gets going.

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3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Not long to wait now...

 

Seen at Warley today

 

The yellow seems to look the part now. Can’t wait! 
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1 hour ago, AY Mod said:

The 3D print loco will be on show but check the cab interior out! 

 

Very nice indeed. 
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Excellent news that something may be done to remedy the situation. It should never have got to this though. Hornby knows only too well that factory errors have occurred time and time again. Why QC hasn’t been tightened up as a result of past mistakes is a mystery to me. Two pre orders that spring to mind that I cancelled over the last few years were HAA’s that should have been full fat yellow frame coal sectors being delivered as railroad. And Blue and Grey Mk 2D TSO delivered with a FO body. Both ridiculous. Investigations into how past errors have happened and answers of how they could be prevented should have been put in place. But mistakes still occur. Like has been said previously, it’s time someone that knows what they are doing are put in place to over see QC. 
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1 hour ago, GWR-fan said:

Oh the humanity, two pages of shock and horror over a toy.  Honestly,  as a U.S. official infamously remarked, "get over it".  As it is the only game in town you either buy it and fix it if it horrifies you so much or you do not buy it.  Some people really need to get out of the train shed and see that there are more pressing and urgent things going on in this world than an incorrect livery application.

I am fully aware of the bigger issues in the world. My model railway hobby is my escape from the daily grind and horrors of real life. And I suspect I’m not alone on that. I (we) pay good money (pre orders) and expect models to be right. What’s the point of our hobby if we run a substandard model (not toy) that doesn’t satisfy us? What’s the point if an item doesn’t make us happy? 
Why would we not be disappointed when a model that we have been looking forward to doesn’t meet our expectations? 
Their are some of us who take this hobby extremely seriously, and we are only fully satisfied if everything is just right.And you know what, that is fine. I really appreciate layouts that go to huge lengths to make things as spot on as they can. There are also people who are not quite as bothered about things being as close to perfect as possible. They accept inaccuracies. That is also fine. It’s our own layouts. It’s each to their own. 
This is a forum. A forum allows two pages of shock and horror if that is the way the particular thread is going. Input may be favourable towards a subject and sometimes may be hostile towards a subject. Sadly this conversation is hostile to 60015 and concern for Hornby (whom are not very financially sound) getting things wrong, and us, the consumer not making them purchases. Hornby really don’t need these situations like we don’t need a hole in the cranium cavity. We are ‘getting 
over it’ through discussion. 
 

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3 hours ago, Craigw said:

 

Obviously you have paid no attention to the game that is Hornby trying to get GWR green right.

 

Craig W

Yes, that one has past me by I’m afraid. 
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14 hours ago, Simon Bendall said:

 

I think its the only accurate one in terms of the triple grey shades but the logo is wrong, more upside down Metals than Petroleum, easy enough to fix though.  Its certainly my go to for triple grey 60s but they aren't easy to find these days.

Ok. Thanks for that. I’m happy that the general consensus is that 60062 colours seem right but disappointed that the logo is slightly wrong. What’s up with their modern D+E section? Why is the attention to detail missing so often? I don’t pay too much attention to Hornby steam locomotives (only own a Hornby Black 5 which I admit is lovely), so can’t say for certain but I’d take a guess that they would not let as many kettles go out with livery issues. 
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Another sale lost here. Was looking forward to it, but it just looks too wrong. But, luckily  today I just happen to have come across a R2747 60062 Samuel Johnson in Petroleum for £89.99, so snapped that up extremely quickly before it was spotted by someone else. To my eye it looks very good. Could anyone confirm if Hornby got that one correct? 
cheers

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2 hours ago, No Decorum said:

Thank you, Fran. Initial disappointment has been mellowed by the mention that this isn’t the big announcement. I must like 37s because I have fourteen of them. It’s not an easy thing to do to sell me another 37 but I think you’ve done it. I haven’t got a 37/6. Clever stuff – well done!

 

Another gap I’m conscious of is the 37/9. Kernow did commission one of them – one of the two with a Ruston engine and a modified roof. If I recall correctly, four had Mirrlees engines and a more heavily modified roof. Of course, it’s all very well my saying that I should like one but I recall that the Kernow commission sold slowly. I don’t like to admit it but you would probably need to think carefully before producing one or even think briefly and say no. 

I have a Ruston 37 with Biffo sound. It’s one of my favourites. Something that looks a bit different when looking down on it and sounds very different from the standard 37. I’d probably purchase one of both examples, but I would understand if Accurascale gave the Ruston a wide berth and would be extremely understanding if they avoided a Mirrlees example with the heavily modified roof.
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1 hour ago, mdvle said:

 

Or perhaps we could look at what is actually happening in 2019 and judge the companies on this year and not previous years?

 

Bachmann did exactly (and more) of what you asked for.  They announced essentially nothing - one OO freight wagon and a small number of OO9 items - and they made the tough decision to defer 4 items (2 N / 2 OO).  And they have made significant progress in catching up with their back log of items.

 

As for Hornby, a look at their 2019 announced new tooling (based on a quick check of RMweb):

• LMS Princess class - sample
• GW Large Prairie - in production
• Peckett B2 - delivered
• 48DS - delivered
• SR 59' Bulleid Short coaches - delivered
• GW 57' Bow-ended suburban - delivered
• Mk2F - delivered
• Mk3 sliding-door - samples
• LSWR brake van - livery samples (new for Warley)
• LMS brake van - samples
• Terrier - delivered

So for Hornby 11 new tooled items, with 6 delivered / 1 in production / 1 at livery sample stage (so close to production) and 3 have had at least tooling samples.

 

So I think your comment about Hornby scaling back to concentrate on back logs is more than a bit unfair given they are progressing extremely well on their 2019 announcements.

 

 

Partially I suspect because Heljan have had a spotty track record in the past, and the new UK person hasn't had time to put things right.

 

But the amount of announcements leads me to believe that Heljan have made a decision to refocus their UK efforts which is a very promising sign.

Again a fair point well made. I agree Hornby have pulled their socks up recently and indeed Bachmann are catching up with their projects.
I did say it’s long been my mind, (back from when Bachmann and admittedly Hornby to a lesser degree were announcing projects that were not to see the light of day for many a year), but you are right to point out that that was then and this is now and to praise them on what they have dished up for our delight in recent times. I’m sorry for the offence I have caused. 
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58 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Wouldnt be a show stopper for me - if dominoes are supplied I will happily imagine they are 'glass' In the same way I imagine most of the scenery and structures on my layout that I have yet to make or build!

The other way round mate. They are supplied glass dominos but you would happily imagine they are plated metal dominos. I get what you are saying, and I can accept small discrepancies like that no problem, but for me it would be a purchase that I don’t really need. (Need every penny I can for next year. Tulyar and 3 class 45’s arriving.) And if it wasn’t pretty damn near spot on for my era layout, I might as well wait for one that is. There’s no rush. But yeah I understand what you are saying. It’s your own layout and rule #1 applies. If you’re happy with it, nothing else matters. 
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1 hour ago, Roy Langridge said:

 

Black yes, but not glass dominos as seen in this photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/8266876426/in/photolist-dAvUmb. Those 1986 headcodes can't just be replicated by swapping headcodes "numbers". Your 1986 shows modified headcode boxes.

 

It also had yellow headcodes in 1981: https://www.flickr.com/photos/8708923@N03/12529626505/in/photolist-k6cBrc-qMjBva

 

Neither photo is mine, but found looking on Flickr.

 

Roy

Ah, yes Glass dominos. Saw Frans domino’s in pack and didn’t think there was indeed black glass dominos and plated metal dominos. Shame. Not for me then after all. Never mind. 
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8 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said:

 

Good lord no, the APT is a suicide project for any company to take on.  

 

 

 

Hi Rembow,

 

The chassis of the 37 is diecast, but will be of excellent quality and very heavy. Tungsten alloy is very expensive and a massive challenge to produce, which has lead to all sorts of delays for the Deltic and 92. 

 

 

The 37001 we are producing is in 1970s condition, with headcodes which are user applied. We will offer 00 00 and dominos in the pack too, so modelllers of the late 70s can avail. It would be usable up until the skirts were removed and the boxes plated over. 

 

Cheers!

 

Fran

Dominos in the pack? Hmmm. Could be for me after all. Found an image of it as late as August 1987. Went into works sometime in Autumn ‘87 before coming out as 37707 in early December ‘87. My layout is late 1986/early 1987, so it fits. Of note, it gained orange cant stripe sometime between September 1986 and March ‘87. No big deal. Easy to sort.

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12 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

 

Cue howls of "Why isn't there anything new announced this year!!!!" followed by talk of maker being doomed because they haven't announced anything new.

To be fair, they are catching up on back-logs, which is why we heard so much of the above earlier this year.

Who'd be a RTR manufacturer?

Yeah fair point. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. 
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1 hour ago, Neal Ball said:

 

There are a number of people you could say that about!

Well yes indeed. It’s long been my mind to think for Bachmann and Hornby to scale back their upcoming projects and just concentrate on the back logs. And then when reasonably caught up, only announce a new project when it is a decent way along the road. (Accurascale and Cavalex are good examples of putting in a lot of the groundwork before going public.) Waiting 3,4 or even 5+ years for a model is frustrating. I know they have to lay down their marker. ‘We are planning on producing X model’ to (sometimes) stop others from doing the same thing. But it can feel like waiting for tomorrow to come. (It never does). 
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It’s always nice to see an exciting announcement but perhaps they already have enough projects on the go and would be better if they just concentrated on the 25, 45, 47 and 86 (there will be more but that’s all I could think of at the moment) for the time being. Surely that’s enough to be getting on with. 
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Is it me or does the dark grey look too dark? From memory they have previously done this with a class 56 I think?

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