Otis JB

Gosh she just makes your mouth water doesn’t she?

Thank you both, I will be making a 3D model of this to print in the near future and this information is very much appreciated. Regards

Good evening all just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chassis length of this vehicle would be? (Photo credits- David Roberts, Pinterest) Thanks very much!

Before you all groan or put me in the stocks, this isn't a complaint or direct 'wishlist request' (as much as I would personally like to see it happen) but I would like to enquire about the feasibility of releasing these two models in their original (1894 rebuilt for the Well Tank) LSWR condition? There are quite a few models out there already like the T9, M7, Hornby brake van, not to mention forthcoming genesis coaches in LSWR guises so one would assume it's quite a popular avenue to pursue? Maybe there is some reason I don't know about such as different tooling requirements to explain why this hasn't been done yet but more LSWR models would really put a smile on mine and many others faces I'm sure.

I agree, I am perplexed as to why LNWR is in Batch 1, as lovely as the livery is, when there is only one RTR loco to go with them and no more announced on the way. I also find it odd how the LBSCR wasn't originally proposed considering the sheer popularity of it. If it were up to me I'd move LSWR into Batch 1. We have two M7s, a T9, the Adams Radials and a couple of pieces of goods stock for a train on another line. Not to mention it looks like Hornby has plans to firmly stake its claim on the company with its announcements from the 2020 range...

Or indeed 'Titanic II'

FYI that review hadn't been released when I commented ... It definitely shows the models in a very good light but keep in mind they were review samples. I only said I wasn't hopeful, I obviously can't predict the future, I just haven't been very lucky lately. Rails have been very good at returning and replacing Terriers when something's wrong but as I want to modify mine I'm worried about finding a fault after I start work. Anyway that's enough of that I won't presume any further... Kind regards.

Hello there Edwardian I hope you are well, Forgive my very late response, I haven't visited RM in quite a while. Firstly I would like to state that I agree with you and your analysis and I am not offended in the slightest by your opposition, after all this is what discussion is all about. Reflecting back on my previous comments I see now that it was unfair to draw comparisons between the Terriers and the Ds, the proof will clearly be in the pudding and I was thinking and writing in haste, as I so often do. I also didn't know that they will be produced by different factories so that is something important to consider. I do have to say though, although your Terriers look very nice, there have been so many reports of defects and extremely shoddy quality (see the Rails Terrier thread here and Sam's Train video on YouTube for example) that I am not filled with much confidence for my soon arriving Terrier or future Dapol releases. There have also been many good Dapol release without problems in the past though I grant you so I will not suppose anymore but I feel like they are suffering a rough patch in terms of QC at the moment. I think I will remove those posts and not be so cynical before there is any reason to be from now on. Keep safe, kindest regards, Otis

I'm sure I always do, if I mean to or not, no matter the situation!

Will this model be Tampo printed? I recall from Jenny Kirk that some manufacturers use something more advanced these days...

Thank you for clarifying, Paul, I agree with you. As a side note: I find myself relating to your friend more often than I would like sometimes!

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I agree wholeheartedly. While I will not be swayed by 'small' omissions to the model as there clearly isn't any real alternative, I think it is perfectly fair to critique and point out flaws whether there is something better on the market or like in most cases, not. We are the people who will be spending our hard-earned cash on these items after all and sitting back and accepting what is served to us isn't in our best interests, or those of the manufacturer either. Circa £200 is a substantial amount to pay for any model, whether you think it is fair or not. I know that for circa £200, I expect to get a very good quality and accurate product that hasn't cut many corners and I won't be quiet about it if I don't think that's what I'll be getting. In my opinion, that's a more than reasonable expectation for the consumer to make.

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About the above, I wrote it while on the other page. I am as they say, late to the party! I apologise profusely if this sends us back OT again...

Like with previous other things, I believe that many people bought the vans because they were so limited and the chance of owning something different and special made them see past their relative simplicity. If you are a BR modeller where box vans would all (theoretically!) look quite similar in a train with the same few liveries and markings, I would ask would you still buy the van if it was easy to obtain, not to mention if its manufacturer still wanted £30+ for it. I agree that the demand is definitely for pre-grouping items but I think the van isn't the best example. The dog takes the bone because of the lack of other bones. Would the dog still take the bone if it had other bones to choose from? Deep down, does the dog actually want the bone? Is this a silly analogy? Life's mysteries... Out of interest, does anyone have any idea about how big the batch sizes were for the vans? Cheers!

Totally agree Gary, maybe it's their camera or something as some things look over saturated, namely the red valances which are much more of a brown colour in person. Similarly, on the most recent Rails Terrier email a picture was included of the Brighton variant where it looked an awful shade of brown ochre much reminiscent of the old plastic colour Hornby used to use on their classic terrier, so maybe it's that... I assume Edwardian's pictures were just done on a mobile so that will be closer to what we get. As a side note - is anyone else a little apprehensive about Rails not deciding on a price and not planning to for the foreseeable future? I am quite nervous.

I am considering making a small diorama/display layout for Rocket (and hopefully Lion soon too ) in the form of Edge Hill Station and the famous Moorish Arch: (images from Wiki) Fascinatingly, during my research for the structure I discovered that there are suggestions from certain groups to have a modern Moorish Arch built by 2030 for the bi-centenary of the L&M. I doubt this will ever go through though but nice idea, all that's left of the arch now are the steps on either side of it that you can see in the second illustration albeit hidden from public view. Just imagine the people who have walked down them... If I do decide to make this layout it won't be for a while but I will be sure to post about it on RM Web. That's not just to share mind you it's also because I'll need all the help I can get! 1830s art isn't really the most specific and or helpful for model making, the design, proportion and overall look of everything seems to change completely in each picture!

Interesting that you've said that, I thought modern plastic was the solution to all our prayers about the deterioration of models from by-gone companies. I have Mainline wagons from 30+ years ago that still look the part, do models have an unspoken, expected lifespan then?

I might also add that the crews probably enjoyed working on these engines and appreciated them enough to clean and polish them on quite a regular basis. I make this point because of the 'scrapped back' wartime livery where crews removed the grey paint to reveal the brass on the wheel arches, demonstrating that even in wartime the SECR cared about the looks of their machinery. Not that surprising when you think that they also painted and lined out every inch of their freight locos!

They are in a class of their own... Working valve gear too I believe!

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So why does any pristine steam model come with a coal load in the first place if it's not prototypical? I am confused with your point, the coal is still very visible, dirty footplate or not. The museum example doesn't have coal in the tender and as I assume all models, including those which aren't preserved, will have the same load isn't the museum point null? Just a thought, Otis

I'm in the same boat as you, I understand why the coal loads are there but no matter how good they are they never match up to the real thing so it is a pain when they are not easily removable. I think the handrails are a bit too shiny but at least they are actually silver in real life unlike those on the LSWR B4 and others so no problem there... On the matter of the high shine chrome finish I actually don't mind it too much on this model; if you look at the real loco at the NRM (which is what the model is basing all its' looks on) you can see the brass is in a similar condition. I didn't particularly like Hornby's rendering of polished brass on the H as they chose to use a completely different and quite matte paint on the safety valve cover. The only real gripe I have with the model at the moment is how matte the green is. As they have gone for the 'museum approach' for the brass I think it is a bit miss-matched and it actually makes the colour look darker and less yellow than it really is. If it was up to me I would use something similar to Rapido's Stirling Single paint that makes the model look like it's really metal without being overly shiny or overly plasticy - a Goldilocks paint if you will! All things considered though, she looks absolutely jaw-dropping and with just 3 photos the vast majority of my faith in Dapol has been restored! I should really wait until my terrier arrives before being so hopeful but I don't care, I have faith this time (touch wood)! Otis

Looks like it will be with that big gap... I don't own any Dapol locos as yet though so I couldn't confirm it either way. Otis