CloggyDog

In somewhat similar vein, Atlas-Editions.de are running a Legendäre E-Lok series of classic European (and US) electric locos in H0: http://www.atlas-editions.de/collection/ELO/krokodil-lok.html Though I fear it may be only available in Germany...

Yup, looks right to me as well.

Yeah... I could breach copywrite and scan/post the pic of GWR #2 from CJM's book which shows the plate and it's 1935 date... but I won't ;P

The roof we used on Ripper Street was the H0 job from Faller, part 120199: The top section was re-purposed as side canopies and the end glazing panel left off to leave the internal (simpler) trussing on show. And it got a very heavy coat of grot! This all added up to disguisng the more obvious German origins of the canopy, quite successfully, we thought. (The canopy was salvaged from Ripper Street before we disposed of the layout and is in store, with a 2nd unstarted kit, for when we one day have a go at Ripper Street 2) The other option you might consider is the Scalescene's overall roof: http://scalescenes.com/product/r005a-large-overall-roof/which is available in N

All my shunter books concur that the works number for 15100 was HL 3853/35 The works place is oval, text top and bottom with a simple '1935' across the middle. none of the photos I have access to (printed or web) are clear enough to fully make it out, but similar plates on the LMS versions of similar vintage show the plates to read: ENGLISH ELECTRIC 1935 HAWTHORN LESLIE so the actual works number is NOT featured on the plate. Clearest pic I've found is plate 14 (LMS 7073) in the older Marsden Shunters book (OPC) - Plate 35 in the same book is the best one of GWR No.2 (15100) and, looking closer, plate details are identical to that described.

Lovely stuff - shall be following with interest! I'm playing with servos for point and signal operation at the moment, using Guy's neat etched bracket as a standard mount.

Yes, the old Lima 20 still makes for a nice model, given a bit of modelling. Wire handrails, door handles, pipework, Gibson drain cocks, flush-glazing, etc. The basic shape is right and arguably some of the finer detail is better rendered than the more recent Bachmann moulding. Only 1 serious flaw - the bonnet side detail from the front end of the radiator grille back to the cab is 4mm too far aft - so the panel in front of the rad grille is too long while that in front of the cab is too short (as anyone who's ever tried putting a green livery totem in there will know only too well) I still have a couple of Lima 20s from when they are the only* option, detailed up. Nowadays they run as dummies with a Bachmann mate - am toying with putting a big bass-reflex speaker in the empty bonnet of a Lima one, through wired to the noisemaker in it's Bachmann running mate. *yes, I know the Dublo/Wrenn one is doable, as Monty Wells showed to good effect back in the 80s, but there's a whole bunch more stuff to correct over the more plentiful Lima one. Only thing i would query on your 20024 is the bonnet-side arrows? I'm pretty certain that 024 went to scrap with a cabside arrow (it was one of the first ones to go in 1977) - indeed I've never seen a pic of a 20 with the arrow on the bonnet doors?

I recall travelling (as a nipper) on Paytrains around the wilds of East Anglia where the guard/conductor has a bus-type ticket machine (Setright) hung around his neck, so probably a carry-over from a 'bus conductor in terms of his job. Happy days of rattling around in Cravens and Met-Camm carts.

Yes, the throat would be protected by a catch point off the loco spur. Given the short run, I doubt any loco would get up enough speed to reach the box. And you'd be surprised just how many catch points/spurs aimed at signal boxes... Signalling - rather than a gantry of starters on the far side of the overbridge, much more likely would be a separate post-mounted starter for and on each platform, probably with a subsidiary shunt arm below to release the inward working's loco to the shunt limit (on the down road, beyond the final crossover) from which it can shunt back to either another train or the loco spur. The starters/shunts for pfms 2 and 3 could be bracket mounted with equal height dolls. If you have them gantry'ed beyond the overbridge as shown, you'll likely need banner repeaters for pfms 2 and 3 at least, otherwise the poor driver wouldn't see them! Here's how we did it on Ripper Street (the subsidiary bracket off the Pfm 1 starter is for shunts into the facing stabling spur, the loco spur being out of sight to the right side of the pic,) You might also need a ground signal (at the limit of shunt?) for entry into the loco spur as well as one just before the catch point permitting release out from the loco spur to the limit of shunt. It would be assumed that each platform starter would give permission to proceed via the down line to the next block section, so at best you'd have a distant on the down just before your scenic break (also useful as an indicator that your FY is ready to receive), but this could equally be assumed to be beyond the scenic break and therefore not modelled. The signal on the up road would be before the fouling point of the crossover and could be a 3-way bracket or a single arm with some form of route indication. I do like what you've done with adding the short straight sections into the platform roads, a very subtle but worthwhile improvement to the original.

Agreed! I'd certainly try to make the platforms as long as possible (or use a view-blocking trick like the overbridge) - there's something very cool about a 2 or 3 car train taking up only a small portion of the platform length - as modellers we tend to try and match our trains to fill a platform - whereas in real life many urban terminii were built for seriously long (load 12+) trains. Even the smaller terminii (Fenchurch St, Broad St, Holborn Viaduct) were designed to take 8 or more coaches on each platform. Now, we modellers rarely have the space to achieve that, but there are various ways and means to maximise platform length (just don't then go filling them up with more and more carriages!) A neat trick, commonly used by space-shy folk, is the 'bitsa station' layout, where clever use of view-blocks (like an overbridge, etc) obscures the reduced platform length such that a 2 or 3 coach train doesn't look out of place: http://www.carendt.com/micro-layout-design-gallery/passenger-lines/ Alternately, can you shift the throat to the right, even if it means it encroaches off-scene into the fiddle (indeed, that might be an advantage as less points are required - would Minories work if the right-hand-most cross-over wasn't there, but the up/down roads were simply fed via cassettes?) That would gain you 3 boxes (so, 25cm-ish) of platform length. The most 'extreme' example I've seen of this is the rather nice Earl's Court layout, which has no visible pointwork - the throat is assumed to be on the other side of the overbridge (in actuality, the fiddle yard, so the throat isn't modelled at all) There is at least one prototypical example of this - Glasgow Queen Street has a fair bit of the throat off-scene, in the approach tunnel. Something on my 'build one day' list is a Broad St-esque urban terminii with perhaps only 2 platforms in use and 4 or more derelict/lifted platforms, ideal for the early-mid-1980s! Almost a diorama, rather than a fully operational layout.

Short length trains in the 1980s - yes, there were a fair few booked as such, plus portions and the inevitable MU-replacement. (and you could even have a dummy MU to be hauled by a loco) The Mk1 Suburbans had gone by 1977, but sample formations of short (3-coach) rakes of Mk1 or early Mk2 stock do pop up in the various picture books - only yesterday, while researching Class 40 details, I came across a 40 on a CK + SK + BSK formation Newcastle - Edinburgh in 1982. Might be worth joining (if you haven't already) the BR Coaching Stock yahoogroup - the group's dropbox contains scans of many, many Passenger Train Marshalling books which will give you the formations, just pick a region and year! 1982/3 Scottish PTMB 0710 Inverness to Kyle - 2 x TSO + 1 x BG (Mk1) 1900 Arbroath to Dundee 1 x TSO + 1 x BSK (Mk1) 1981/2 ER XC PTMB 1028 SO Hull - Scarborough BG + SK + CK (Mk1)

The issue with the siding is that it conflics with pfm 3. That said, for a run-down station in it's final years, you could abandon pfm 3, leaving a loco-length headshunt to access the refuelling road. and have the rest of the road lifted and the platform face disused? I think, if I were wanting to add another loco road, I'd replace the 2nd point in on the up road with a double-slip and run the loco road off that, with a trap point as protection - you could even extend this to 2 or 3 longer sidings to hide the front of the fiddle yard and be more of a MU-refuelling facility, not just locos? Also, that road would be able to access all 3 platform roads. Don't forget, double-slips weren't available when CJF designed Minories, but had they been, it's likely he would have integrated one (or more) into the design.

Do it in H0 and I'd be interested, as might many modellers on the Continent. Large, untapped market?

Very well played indeed! Looking forward to seeing how your DHP1 progress. Very reminiscent of Monty Well's seminal series of articles in Railway Modeller in the mid-80s which so inspired me to start hacking about diesel models. Ah... yes, the Deltic Chopper. I have a copy of the Weight Diagram somewhere in my files. Longer than a standard 20 by 1 or 2 bonnet doors. There was also a stretched Type 3 version of the 20, mounting a 12CSVT and riding on (probably) class 37/50/55-type bogies. I have a bunch of Lima 20 shells I started hacking in one of my crates (along with the double-cab 20 and the cabless 'slave')

Oh dear... just perusing the BRM Annual 2015, which has a 2-page spread on Diesel Brake Tenders, the text of which perpetuates the myth that the 1/557 tenders (B964029/30) ran on BR1s, even though there is clear photographic evidence in this very thread that they were on 9' LMS.

Which is basically what I said... paired by direction with a swap (slow over main) at Ilford.

And the GE mainline is also paired by direction with the main northern side/slow southern side Liv St to Ilford flyover where they swap (slow over main) through to Shenfield

Shame it's a scale 3ft too long... I had to hack 12mm out of the middle of mine to get the length right and then replaced the roller-bearing (EMU?) Gresleys with proper 8ft ones at 15ft centres. I wasn't impressed.

Anyone know (or have drawings to show) if 977091 had the long or short National panels/windows, please??

Sorry Shane, but there is more than 'a bit of modelling' to sort the Mainline Peak, other than as a rough stand-in. Done more than enough of them back in the day to know that trying to silk-purse that particular sow's lug 'ole just isn't worth the effort. Bah. Maybe the bogie-mounted bufferbeams might be useable (assuming they sort that....) But the Lima Wizzo was half-decent, mainly the cab windows that need sorting.

Finding the lack of D&E subjects quite annoying now - the rumour/intent of a Peak being one of the primary reasons I risked subscribing... And even moreso now that we have (essentially) wasteful duplicates appearing in the steam selection (Castle/King). Bah.

Indeed yes, my apologies. Refurb'd 307 too. I've dug out a couple more, will hoefully get a chance to scan them after the weekend.

I recall one axlebox (viewable from the platform) has been crudely plated over with some treadplate - I've a bunch of detail phots from the last time I was at Shenfield (Mangapps a few years back, probably) For all that I lived in Brentwood for the first 25 years of my life, then Shenfield for 3 more, I took far too few photos of the GE. A bunch at Stratford, spotting from the platforms, Open days at Stratford, Ilford, Southend, Crown Point and various railtours (including the Anglian Diesel Farewell in 87... I have a very similar photo of D200 at Liv Street as that much earlier in the thread) Stuff I remember: speedo watching on Clacton sets. Most of my childhood summer holidays were spent in Clacton, Walton or Frinton (occasionally Caister or Yarmouth). Unrefurb'ed Clactons, always opt for the single Second compo next to the Firsts (as most punters didn't realise it was a Second). I do recall them with wrap-arounds and the 2 car sets. 306s on the Shenfields, Unrefurbed 307s, the 'big windowed' 305/1s on the 'other side' at Liv St. Old Liv St with the long centre platforms and middle road, watching loco fans from the footbridge Hearing pairs of 37s hammering up Brentwood bank with liner sets in the small hours on still nights (we lived about 2 miles from Brentwood station) Rows of vanfits in the yard behind Romford station Very occasionally getting the up Southend-Liv St parcels/papers after oversleeping/drunk on the last down unit, missing Brentwood (despite that short section of 60' jointed track on the down slow a mile or so before) and ending up in Hockley or Rochford... Usually a 31 on GUV/BGs with a BSK for punters, sometimes even a 308/2 with the MLV Cravens and Met-Camm units rattling around, especially out of Norwich An oval-buffered 08 at Colchester?? Might have been the same one that either had it's D-number still showing and/or a ferret and dartboard on the battery-box?? Here's a couple of pics and I'm sure there are some more decent ones in the 'to be scanned' pile 31 276 Stratford 2 by alan_monk, on Flickr 31276 hauls a newly repainted 312 found the curve at Stratford, circa 1986/7 86233 Stratford by alan_monk, on Flickr similar date 08833a by alan_monk, on Flickr 37 116 Crown Point 1987 by alan_monk, on Flickr 31 417 Liv St circa 1982 by alan_monk, on Flickr 03 Farewell Norwich Crown Point by alan_monk, on Flickr And finally, well before my time - bought as part of a collection of b/w prints at some point in the 1980s, this one undated but I'm guessing late-50s or early-60s. D204 Liverpool Street by alan_monk, on Flickr

No different to any other loco sat on the collection shelf without it's train though, is it?? An A4 must look equally as odd? Or are folk buying up all those 'atchette YMV mk1s to give the appearance of a train behind each release?

Kevin, there's more info (including a proper trackplan) in issue 66 (Page 18 onwards) of the Ickenham & District SME's newsletter 'Ashpan' http://www.idsme.co.uk/IDSME/Ashpan/Ashpan066.pdf HTH