Jeepy

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Further to the topic of William Stroudley and his association with Lord Willoughby's private railway from Little Bytham to Edenham, I recommend the acquisition of Lord Willoughby's Railway The Edenham Branch by R. E. Pearson and J. G. Ruddock, published by the Willoughby Memorial Trust in 1986. Chapter and verse are contained therein.

Thank you Tony!

I have found and ordered a copy,

Regards,

Jim.

6 hours ago, Nick Holliday said:

If you want a book that goes into Stroudley's life and achievements in a rather more detailed way, I can recommend this one. Although the writer doesn't claim it is a biography there is an excellent introduction to his life, fascinating details of some of the minutiae of loco fittings, and even a summary of his inventiveness in the maritime sphere.

 

Thank you Nick, a copy found and ordered! 

Regards,

Jim.

2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

I'm intrigued. I could pass on the Terriers - though Stroudley's work as a whole on the Brighton was revolutionary - but the biography sounds interesting. What's the book?

Hello,

It's titled 'Stroudley and his 'Terriers' by Tom Middlemass,  published 20th October 1995, there's two ISBN numbers: ISBN-10 1899816003 and: ISBN-13 978-1899816002.

I bought it as part of my research on the Terriers as I managed to acquire an 'O' gauge one, although I generally model in 'OO' or 'EM' ! 

There were so many modifications to them throughout their lives so I'm trying to decide which prototype to model! No two Terriers were the same it seems! 

Regards,

Jim.

I hasten to add it's not a biography in the true sense of the word really, but there's a few pages dedicated to his career path etc.

Good afternoon Tony,

I am currently reading a book about William Stroudley's 'Terriers', the first part being about the man himself and I was amazed to find that from the year 1857 to 1858 he was seconded to supervise the working of the Edenham & Little Bytham Railway! Owned by Lord Willoughby de Eresbury of course, but I'm guessing you already knew that! 

Regards,

Jim.

Westminster for me too, 70s it would've been, with my Father......I don't recall the name of the layout but I do remember us standing there mesmerised as my Father was trying to work out how one train disappeared into a tunnel at the back then another one with different liveried coaches came out the other end at the front......the operator eventually gave up his secret and showed us the coaches that were painted a different livery on either side! 😆,

Cheers,

Jim.

Chimney ordered! 👍.

Cheers!

Jim.

Excellent work Pete!

Thanks for reporting back 👍, that looks good to me and quite a straight forward swap with a minimum amount of fettling it seems.....I still need to do more research and I haven't made a start on mine yet but I'm off to the Dapol website to grab a B4 chimney! 

I've managed to find a hardback copy of the Stroudley and his Terriers book which is winging it's way to me.

Looking forward to seeing how you get on, it's going to be an interesting little project I think 🤔, 

Regards,

Jim.

What a lovely old building! 🤗,

Cheers!

Jim.

It's not going to be £16.50 now that's for sure! Oh well, at least whatever it will be I can take £16.50 off! 🫣.

Cheers,

Jim.

21 minutes ago, IWCR said:

Dont  copy  Dapol  pipework,  my  Terrier  W9  model  has  the  Westinghouse  feed  coming  out  of  the  cab  doorway  (correct),  this  is  the  pipe  to   the  left  of  the  top  (steam)  cylinder  on  the  pump,  the  pipe  on  the  right  of  this  cylinder  is  the  steam  exhaust,  this  should  go  up  and over  the  right  hand  tank  and  vanish  into  the  R/H  side of  the  smokebox  however  on  my  model  as  supplied  it  connects  to  a  steam  valve  on  top  of  the  boiler  (wrong).

 

Pete

I did wonder after looking at prototype pictures! 🤔,

My bits came today, the Westinghouse pump kit is complete but in Southern Railway Green, not a problem to paint it and it did say Southern on the listing to be fair, great service from Peter's Spares!

Cheers,

Jim.

11 hours ago, PJT said:

@Jeepy Hi again Jim,

Just found the above on page 32 of this thread... several other useful comments on there, too, especially concerning possible SECR origin of the RH cab front pipes.

Given that the Dapol B4 Drummond chimney is available as a spare from the Dapol website, priced at £2.00, I've ordered one to see if it'll fit on the Terrier.  Both the B4 and the Terrier seem to split the chimney from the smokebox in approximately the same place, so I think there's a pretty good chance it'll either fit, or be made to fit, without too much trouble.  Once the chimney gets here, I'll report back!

Pete T.

 

Hello Pete,

That's great! I'll have a read through that, that'll be an interesting experiment with the chimney 🤔, thank you,

Regards,

Jim.

11 hours ago, PeterStiles said:

I'm going to horrify everyone and slap the word "southern" on the tank-side in "sunshine" and the pick a random number to go on the side of the cab...

Love that idea! 😀

3 hours ago, RodneyS said:

That is an interesting photo of Waddon.  It must have been taken after it was withdrawn as it has the Marsh chimney taken from the Brighton Works Terrier instead of the Drummond one it carried during its working life.

 

The Marsh chimney was going to be used for the restoration but a new one was made instead so it ended up at the Bluebell Railway.

Hopefully it is still there, the last surviving piece of 'Brighton Works'.

Rodney (Terrier nut)

Thank you Rodney, interesting! 🤔,

1 hour ago, PJT said:

 

Not such great news, Jim.  My other O gauge Terrier is 32650 and the pipework out of the cab front is nothing like DS680's.

 

The photo possibly indicates that DS680's pipework was a bit ad hoc (doesn't look neatly done).  However, 32650 was an extended bunker Terrier brought back from the Isle of Wight in 1937, then served as DS515 as Waddon's predecessor at Lancing, then returned to capital stock in 1953, so it had plenty of excuse to receive all sorts of modifications, too  - and that's assuming Dapol's pipework depiction on the model is anywhere near accurate, which it might well not be (Hornby's recent OO model of DS680 lacks all the pipes from the RH side of the cab front that are visible in the photo Hal Nail posted).  More photos of DS680 will be needed, preferably from above, I think.

 

Then there's the Drummond chimney referred to by @RodneySabove.  I knew DS680 was intended to take the Marsh chimney from 32635 'Brighton Works'; the penny hadn't dropped that it wore a Drummond chimney in service.  I have 4mm Drummond chimneys, but not a 7mm one.  Added to the list of things to find!

 

Thanks for taking the time to have a look Pete!

The pipework on Ds680 does look like it's been 'thrown' together doesn't it!........on the hunt for more piccies now! Lol! 

Regards,

Jim.

23 minutes ago, Jeepy said:

Very helpful Pete, thank you!

Also, I was observing all the pipe work on top of the loco in your prototype picture......🤔.

I'm sure it'll be an interesting little project! 🙂,

 

Regards,

 

Jim.

My apologies!......It's Hal Nail's prototype picture,

Cheers!

Jim.

Very helpful Pete, thank you!

Also, I was observing all the pipe work on top of the loco in your prototype picture......🤔.

I'm sure it'll be an interesting little project! 🙂,

Regards,

Jim.

There seems to be a fair amount of extra pipework to create too! Further study of prototype pictures might enable some of that to be made from copper wire etc.......

Regards,

Jim.

On 05/03/2024 at 09:58, PJT said:

 

You can get the plain black Dapol A1 Terrier very close to DS680 (Waddon) by ordering a few Dapol spares from Peter's Spares.  The metal brake set (Dapol no. 110319), bunker top extension (Dapol no. 113197) and Westinghouse pump (Dapol no. 113864) are on their way to me in the post at the moment. 

 

Unfortunately I failed to realise in time that you need to order two of the Dapol spare part Westinghouse pumps to make one complete Westinghouse pump assembly (if I'd looked a bit more at the photo it was obvious!), so I'll have to order another later today.  There's also a couple of SR/BR era lamp irons to add, but they're easy to do.  I haven't begun to try to find lettering for the bunkerside yet. 

 

The nice thing about DS680 is that, though she spent most of her time at Lancing carriage works, she did get out on at least one excursion - there's photos online of her at Robertsbridge and Tenterden.

Hi PJT,

I've just ordered those parts from Peter's Spares thank you! Whilst perusing further down the list I found the complete kit for the Westinghouse pump which includes both 'cylinders' it seems, Dapol number 115188 at £6, I've ordered that instead of 2 of the 113864 parts.....I'm hoping I've done the right thing! If not, no problem, I'll just re order 2 x 113864's,

Best wishes,

Jim.

That's great info! Thank you both Hal Nail and PJT! 😃,

Regards,

Jim.

Received mine via Royal Mail yesterday, (Monday) very nice and great service from Rails! Ordered it on Friday.

Am I correct in saying it looks like the wooden brake block version? 

Regards,

Jim.

P.S.   I haven't done any research on them yet, I just couldn't resist at that price!

6th April, 2022, 09.28am, the day I came to visit, and a very enjoyable day it was too! Thank you Tony and Mo.

Kind regards,

Jim.

(That's my car spoiling the picture!)

Thank you both John and Nigel!

That answers my question.....and some! 

I'm far from an electrickery wizard but after reading your explanation several times Nigel I think I have basically grasped it! Although I've no idea what a rectifier diode is!....I believe a diode is basically an electrical equivalent of a non-return valve so I'm assuming it rectifies something as well, lol! Interesting.....anyway, I don't think I will go down that route as I do have some suitable toggle switches which are DPDT i believe, thank you John.

The reason I asked is I have alot of the Hornby Black point motor switches, some Yellow ones and a couple of Green ones just rattling around in a box, on this particular layout I am using a Morley twin transformer/controller designed for use with O gauge which I believe dishes out a higher Amperage and is ideal for vintage loco's/motors in OO gauge especially if I will be double heading from time to time but also has a built-in CDU for the solenoid type point motors which are installed, (Utilising the Black switches, pausing halfway to give the CDU a chance to recharge!).

I intend to modify the way I mount my tortoises to operate semaphore signals, obviously from a seperate power source which I have already, as I rather fancied the Idea of having a nice bank of levers to pull for turnouts/points as well as signals by using stuff I've already got laying around and I was hoping I might get away with using the Yellow switches for that but it's not a problem, I have a cunning plan hatching! I may extend the toggle switches somehow so they look like levers....hmmm! 🤔 Sounds silly I know but with a bit of thought in how I mount them along with the Black levers.........🤷‍♂️.

Thanks again to you both! You've given me some food for thought....

Regards,

Jim.

Hello,

Just picking your brains and taking advantage of any experience if I may please?

The Hornby R.046 Yellow lever switch is an 'On-On' type switch I believe, so in theory could this be used to operate a Tortoise 'stall' motor in the anologue sense? 

Thank you! 

Regards,

Jim.

Thank you, yes, that's it! I know Roger Goodrum actually! Wether he would remember me or not I'm not sure!........in the 1st picture 'B' reception is over to the far right, we used to come in off the mainline and into there occasionally or into the main reception roads over on the far left, the picture is facing south towards Higham, Strood etc.

The sidings immediately to the right of the buildings were the wagon repair roads. Spent many an hour in there! 

Cheers!

Jim.

Interesting stuff! Thank you, back in the 1980s there used to be a couple of sidings behind the staff accommodation at Hoo Jcn up yard in Kent used for wagon repairs, next to what we used to know as 'B' reception road......no pictures I'm afraid! 

Cheers,

Jim.

It's the cat's house, we just pay the mortgage! 

Jim.