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Found one place I can order from....no wonder I couldn't find it, it's part or Hornbys new so called less expensive range Raiload, this one loco powered, yay, and considering it's in the childrens toy dept, it's still very very detailed and i'm gonna love it! oh, and this is definately 4p not a 2p in disguise; https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/railroad-lms-4-4-0-compound-with-fowler-tender.html edited to add info and link.

Cheers Rowsley17D, gives me a fair chance at finding one. mine will get a repaint also as not a fan of the red livery on loco stock. Love that turntable too, your loco just fits on.......perfect!

what is the point in putting up a photo of end of the box if the label is completely blank?. I guess I haven't been around the bay long enough to read the signs in the sky!

yes, i have noticed a certain ammount of generalisation amongst the tooling for tenders around the 2p-4p-4f tenders. I expect that one of the specialists have produced more meaty fair for lms tender hearted.

well actually, the model is described as a d-17 2p 4-4-0 made by Dapol. It may be vendor doesnt know the difference? heres the link to the advert....it deffo looks loco drive'ish. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-D-17-2P-loco-and-tender-in-LMS-Maroon/133344072668?hash=item1f0bed13dc:g:fyoAAOSwce1eRtZj

well, there we have it because Rowsley17D's loco has the motor in the loco. On the other hand I have found no mainline ones up for sale, but I have found a loco driven version by Dapol....who are ....airfix/Dapol/kitmaster.....it's a job to keep up with all insider trading going on....tooling changing hands so much.

I would very much like the Hornby part number as I wish to try and find a loco powered version..yours looks great despite the dome..at least the dome is in the right place, and the boiler has correct number of bands unlike the triang 2p I have.

Super foto Jonathon. looks great at the head of the coaches..Shame about the tyres, how many current collectors has it got...and what's up with the dome

Thanks Kevin, I value your opinion...It would be quite a large scale project to drag the model up to even close to todays standeds. Therefor I will aproach hattons and hopefully they will refund my wedge towards a later version of the 4p 4-4-0. I'd prefer a locomotive driven vers as apposed to tender driven...not seen any good reviews of the tender drives so far. Has anyone actually owned a Hornby locomotive drive version and if so, how does it run?

Hi all, Thanks for all the help chaps, there was some definate confusion there at times. The big question is what do I do with it, put it all back together and ask Hattons to refund me/replace with correct model? The model was one of their pre-owned offers if that makes any difference to the deal. At the moment, the loco runs poorly and very intermittent, also only has pickups on the four drivers.not good, I would at the very least, need to add some form of extra pickups, replace the original magnahesion drivers and tenders plastic wheels, the drivers are full of micro cracks on the running suface. It has been well loved. And it wouldnt be much use without a complete repaint and livery plus some form of detailing kit...I am of course wondering if that is worth the trouble because at the end of the day it's still an ancient monster from hornbys past and the tooling pattern in those days comes nowhere near the actuall locomotive. any ideas? Roger

just nipped over to check out the L1 class, the Hornby model looks almost identical to the 2p compound thingy...So you were bang on..I could only see a couple of differences.

wow, thats the one....thanks so much...looks like a keeper though, its nearly a antique. I have been looking for hours, the model itself bears no semblance to any other models of that class, the boiler bands are wrong, dome in wrong place, that big black box under the boiler hiding the motor works. yeah, the motor sticks the rear bearing block into the cab...very triang like. I can't wait to get the blades out to carve up the pipes/grab rails that are several feet deep and various bits that just don't belong! but before the carve up, learn how to add collectors to the tender and pipe it through to the motor, 4 drivers are the only pick ups. Thanks again kevinlms and all you other guys who pitched in...goes off to prepare the carvery table..

yeah, sounds iffy all over....Im even more twitchy now. the tender has part number, i;ll look that up if i can. thanks guys.

hmmmm, So to be absolutely sure, I need find the place on the body where te R number is stamped, it has "Made in Gt Britain" and "Hornby Railways" stamped on footplate beneath front . You'd have thought someone at Hattons would have picked up on that. but, well, I thought it was maybe a goof of the original manufaturers.

Hi there chaps.. Slightly confused over a recent addition to my to do box. A Hornby 4p compound 4-4-0, During inspecting for damage I noticed no sign of any visible cylinders?...wierd or makers ballsup? I checked the R number against other photo's of the various versions of the 4p 4-4-0, Hattens have one in the Midlands red livery, but low and behold! the thing has grown outside cylinders, And extra crankshafts, crossheads ect. Sooo, the same item but different livery means visible cylinders and valve gear? The black livery I bought has no cylinders. https://www.hattons.co.uk/160046/hornby_r355_mr_u01_class_4p_compound_4_4_0_1000_in_mr_maroon_pre_owned_imperfect_box_missing_som/stockdetail.aspx IS link to hattons maroon version. This is link to hattons page with the one I purchased. https://www.hattons.co.uk/397709/hornby_r355_mr_po05_class_4p_compound_4_4_0_690_in_lms_black_pre_owned_renumbered_and_repainted_re/stockdetail.aspx Does anyone know if this is some manufacturing ballsup or me being thick? Roger

hi all. thanks for your input, Ended up buying the later version that comes with those, Now I can build two..

Hello all. After viewing three videos of this great modeler putting together his version of the Dapol 15t crane plus custom hack n slash rtr bolstor bogey runner and ex brake van mess wagon, I was really excited when my bay purchase popped thru the letter box! I couldnt wait to get started...imagine my dissapointment when I opened up the packet only to discover no instructions, no exploded views nowt, zilch! only a few paragraphs on the back side of the paper that held the plastic bag closed typed in red, in "small print" at least to me print that was definately NOT designed to be read by a human eyeball...oh lord..going back to the video i realise my mistake by not buying the later production of the same model that does have instructions, the Dapol/kitmaster,,,I gather that was produced in a different universe/time zone. Anyway, am currently trying to get my hands on an unbuilt pack. but if anyone has built one in the past and retained a copy of the instruction sheet and feels like shareing the same, I would be one happy bunny.. yo ho onwards Roger

DEARS Sirs/Mamams, Does anybody remeber the year they changed from "Made in Britain" too "Made in China"? was this the start of their super detailed models?.

great info as per Hayfield !..taking it all on board. I've heard of Ian Rice's books, probably time to do a little ordering

wow guys, thank you for all your helpfull information. I can see I have much to learn regarding what is available, what will work with what, and who now makes it..Things have changed so much since I last modeled played trains there really is so much to consider when looking to purchase an item. for various reasons I have been buying stock from vendors on the bay, nothing wrong with that I suppose, but as the collection builds up I do find myself with a number of issues to contend with, older models maybe diff scale to newer models, differing buffer bar hights, all manner of coupler configurations, the list is rather long..so along with the usuall need to service the stock before use there are all these aforementioned issues to contend with. back in the old days, cast metal and etched brass kits were out of my skill zone, or so i thought. Now I deffinately want to try them so will be trying out some finecast kits, just as soon as i find ones that I can purchase rtr chassis for. as much as I enjoy detailing bodys the thought of having to scratch build complete chassis/motor assembly as well might put me off... btw, Does anyone know what year Hornby stopped marking their chassis "Made in Britain" and swopped it for "Made in China". cheers all.

wow, bargain since you got everything needed for the price of the kit. those wheels arent cheap items for starters.

very nice work, i'm impressed. Talking of wills kits, If I were to attempt a white metal cast kit I'd rather it was one of the midland/lms variaty, I found this one on the bay, do you think there is a chance of getting a rolling chassis to fit? the kit is rather old..https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wills-Finecast-OO-Scale-Gauge-LMS-4F-Fowler-Goods-Loco-Kit/333510156375?hash=item4da6c12057:g:6rAAAOSwdvxeNvBl

haha, quite....hmmmm, thinking about it your right about the noise....I mean vacuums are noisy beasts by nature, right! I'll try to source a quieter form of fan, I do have a few computer fans kicking about, not sure if they will have sufficient draw tho?

hehe, right johnster, i've been thinking of he best way to rust up the rails.....haha. Loads of brilliant suggestions as usuall guys...magic!. love the hoover extraction fan suggestion...the household dyson may find itself requisitioned. lol when my work bench has been erected, for speedy resolution sake, thinking of buying a ready made cabinet, small, then rigging up my own version of fans and pipes to extract both soldering toxics and spraying/gluing ugh straight out the window.

Hi If anyone has information I would be interested also. I'm keen to start work on some scratch builds/rtrbashing but still at a loss for sourcing some reliable accurate works diagrams. I have R.J.Essery's official drawings of LMS Wagons No2, but I was dissapointed to find so few wagons represented, also the choice of wagons....crossing my fingers on getting my smutty mitts on his part one book which is now out of print but ya never know! So in the part two book is two brakes, the 20t D1659 that gives an overall length buffer to buffer of 20' 5" allthough it is very hard (for me) to read the drawings due to the poor prints.