hmrspaul

56 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Or you could fit a headstock and buffers on the inner end of the FGA as well to make one of the twin-ended wagons?

They weren't so numerous but they did exist and lasted a long time.

The three originals 

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brwhiskycontainerfbbfja/e2109e3de

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightlinercontainer/e251529c1

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightlinercontainer/eaf8b925

Paul

Detail photos of 155385 in York yesterday at https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/153385 - Yes the other side! 50 photos of this item now. 

Anyone modelled this? They work back and forth so rather unusually could be used rather like a branchline push pull unit appearing quickly on a branch line or local mainline layout. 

Paul

On 28/01/2024 at 21:18, corneliuslundie said:

43019 is not a beautiful engine, is it? Or am I biased through too much studying Sharp, Stewart's products?

Jonathan

43019 is a beautiful loco.  Still has double chimney. You are biased. 😇

The ex Private Trader wagons are very nice, very clear wartime rewriting of the ownership and the closer one with grease axleboxes. I wonder if it ever received a P number - the other is quite an early renumber. 

Paul

There are a few in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/oilterminals

Paul

LOCO still readable on this in 1977 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnermineral/e3c12e45

Paul

On 26/01/2024 at 22:22, Phil Bullock said:

I did see them …. Just about!!! In later years there was a train of acetic acid in tanks from up north to South Wales …. Smelt just like vinegar. As it ran from Saltend to name it the Salt-end-vinegar was just too tempting….

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/aceticethanoltank

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/stschemicaltua

Paul

2 hours ago, Phil Bullock said:

In case anyone is tempted that will be Lea and Perrins. Probably needs a glass lined tank to prevent corrosion! 

There were vinegar tanks https://hmrs.org.uk/photographs.html?private_owner=14890

Paul

46 minutes ago, Fat Controller said:

That's a pretty substantial building;. GBRf have built an even bigger facility at Peterborough, which has been photographed in the railway press. 

and about time too. So many facilities closed with Privatisation and far too much maintenance seems to have become an outdoor job from a road van. Like going back to Victorian working conditions.  When reading some of the accident reports it is obvious modern wagons are very complex, with many non standard parts which must be difficult to maintain with the fine tolerances mentioned in these reports. Perhaps a realisation that too many accidents are being caused by poor maintenance in the freezing cold, wet and dark has sparked the development of better facilities.

Paul

21 minutes ago, markw said:

This livery is almost certainly fictional, the petroleum board was set up to increase the usage of tank wagons, dedicating some to pool petrol only would do the opposite.

This previous thread didn't find any evidence.

All prewar class A tank wagons would be in stone livery so the tinplate wagon manufacturers seem to have based many of thier liveries on the road tanker liveries for more colour and variation. I think this pool livery is also based a road tanker.

There are too many mistaken liveries on tank wagons on Heritage railways. Even when done by professional firms https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/smbpanchor/e1e33375b

Paul

18 hours ago, Wheatley said:

Yorkshire Tar Distillers was in business 1920s  - 1970s when it became part of Croda. There are some photos of tanks out of use at Croda on Paul Bartlett's site, mostly crudded up but with odd bits of yellow lettering visible so I suspect the livery is correct if not necessarily the exact type of tank. 

 

There are some employee reminiscences here - http://stairfootstation.co.uk/tar/ - coal tar was the starting point so my guess (and it is only that) is that the rail tanks were used to bring coal tar in in bulk as a raw material  with the finushed products (pitch, naptha, creosote etc) going out by road. 

Did YTD have any 12ft wheelbase tank wagons? https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/yorkshiretardistillers 

What is correct on that wb is the Hornby MTD wagon which they copied well in its 1968 livery https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mtd/e32835152   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mtd/e228592a4  . These are very old models so not wonderful!

Paul

Although most of my photos are close up of the wagons there is also more general interest in 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsstoke    https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsstoke/e52cb720e

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bartoncandw

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/yorkwagonworks

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/burtoncw

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/crbombardier

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsswansea

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsradstock

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/procorgloucester

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/standardheywood

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/standardreddish

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ripplecw

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/carlilsecurrock

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/egsteele

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftburry

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsmarch

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcrofthealeymills  

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/southstaffsworks

Marcrofts maintenance at Shellhaven https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/oilterminals/ea0644c6 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/oilterminals/e2973779c  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/shellhaven/eaf5a122

But there are other works I haven't sorted such as Exmouth Junction https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=Exmouth  but Swindon, Horwich, Hoo Junction https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=hoo Feltham https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brlowmac243-253/e61206b2a Temple Mills https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/palbrick/e582c3f68  Motherwell and others aren't included and can be searched for.

Paul

On 22/08/2023 at 22:53, Will Crompton said:

Here's another view of the wagon repair sidings alongside Blyth Cambois TMD from Ernies Railway Archive Flickr site.

 

I missed this topic first time around. The unusual hopper in internal use is the feature of a scale drawing on page 11 in MERRY-GO-ROUND on the Rails by David Monk-Steel, published by the HMRS  https://hmrs.org.uk/merry-go-round-on-the-rails-book.html

Paul

I have a TPO repaint in October 1987 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtpo/eca8dc4d but my BG and GUV repaints date from 1990 [which doesn't mean non were repainted in late 87]. 

Paul

33 minutes ago, kevinlms said:

Modelling Railways Illustrated was one of the best to go AWOL.

Unfortunately the editor died. He was also involved (manager??) of the short lived Collector's corner here in York. 

Paul

13 hours ago, Jub45565 said:

Interesting - is any more known about when they entered the concrete pool? Was this all in later life, or may it have been at build/by the late 50s?

Certainly later in life. In the diagram book on 2/800 http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/SpecialVehiclesIssue.pdf  They are not in the earlier copy of the diagram book on their website. 

Paul

Some Photos in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brarmel including as beam carriers.

Paul

66780 [ex 66008] The Cemex Express GBRf worked a train of Autoballasters onto the ECML immediately south of York a couple of hours ago. Photos in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/belmondgbrf66 

Paul

56 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

An interesting horse box in JVol1196. Any thoughts on identity anyone?

 

Jonathan

Looks very similar to this NBR livestock van https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerlivestock/e184a2c87

Paul

It is World Penguin Awareness Day - 20 January 2024

And you will believe Penguins can fly. In reality they fly in the water - and it is possible to swim alongside them. 

Paul

It is World Penguin Awareness Day - 20 January 2024

It is not necessary to be cold to see them, these are the Endangered Galapagos Penguin which live on the Equator https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/22697825/182729677

Paul

We pride ourselves on offering a small, intimate show, where we display layouts from the club, members and local friends. It is held in aid of York Against Cancer and is sponsored by Monk Bar Model shop. The charity supports the show by providing refreshments. 

Being held at Heworth Church Hall, Melrosegate, Heworth, York, North Yorkshire YO31 0RL

Sat 17 February 2024  10.00 - 17.00

Sun18 February 2024  10.00 - 16.00

The Club Secondhand stand is over-flowing!

Layouts Attending :

On30 gauge    THE GREAT WHITE RIVER NAVIGATION, EXTRACTION & STEAM PACKET COMPANY

O gauge   BADGERS BOTTOM   &    MANOR FARM ( A DVLR might have been layout)

OO gauge    RAF KIDBROOKE;   THE BRICK MPD;    CHILDRENS INTERACTIVE LAYOUT

N gauge    STAMFORD EAST;     LOW FELL

009 gauge    DOLWYN;    SCRAYINGHAM

Trade Stands

Monk Bar Model Shop YORK

George Books  Grosmont

Paul Lunn Layout Design

Demo’ Stands

IAN FORSYTH Loco and wagon construction.

BOB DAWSON Architectural model builder in all scales.

Other Highlights

YORK AGAINST CANCER TEAM Cafe

Ebor Group 2nd Hand Shop.  

and on the door a TOMBOLA 

Admission fee Adults £4 Children £1 Under 5’s free

A local exhibition in a local hall run by a local club. How Exhibitions should be. 

12 hours ago, The Johnster said:

 

 

 

Did your dad ever consider routing some block oil trains from Milford Haven via the Central Wales?  I'm rather taken with the idea of Albion or perhaps even Kingsbury trains blowing holes in the sky and disturbing the sheeps miles away going up Sugar Loaf...

My father rarely mentioned detail of his work (or his extensive war service for that matter). It was only my moving to Cardiff for my first Sandwich training that he mentioned the problems at Cardiff, that was 1970. He had even asked me about the Pembroke Dock branch when we went there for our A-level Ecology practical week in 1967

Would the Central Wales line be part of any long term plans - wasn't it supposed to close under Beeching? I haven't looked up my copy of the report. They had already lost the direct Southampton/Fawley to Birmingham routes so Oil trains (the heaviest in the country at that time) had to go via Acton.

Paul

27 minutes ago, hmrspaul said:

More nonsense to come? ITV News 10.30 introduction film and comment about end of Model Railways. Yet to see what they have to say. 

 

Paul

Well I was mistaken. A very positive take on the hobby from Cheltenham. Interesting that the shop owner suggested the new TT is selling very well. Pete W putting the spin on that there used to be two manufacturer's (!!) now 7. 

Paul

PS, and to give no details I've assisted two manufacturer's in the past week with new projects, both of which were a surprise. 

More nonsense to come? ITV News 10.30 introduction film and comment about end of Model Railways. Yet to see what they have to say. 

Paul

2 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

I have wondered about that although basically their maximum speed was too low.  And, as you say, DMUs took over most - but not all - of the passenger services (mostly on branch lines) which had been worked by tank engines - for example the D63XX worked passenger trains on several West of England branches for a while.

Thanks, I had overlooked the speed limitation of the Class 14s. Altogether a very strange idea - 40 mph would have made them a nuisance for any trips out on mainlines in busy periods - as you had through Cardiff where line capacity restricted the development of Milford Haven oil traffic. 

Paul 

(whose Dad sold the movement of oil on rail during the 1960s from Marylebone HQ)