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  1. Hi Mick

    A worthy and potentially complicated subject indeed!

     

    A good start would be to maybe get your hands on the 'standard' books on Southern Coaches such as the David Gould books for Oakwood or Mike King's for OPC, Crecy and KRB as there is a lot of info within including on repainting. I will sort a list out if you haven't got any of them.

     

    An excellent website is bloodandcustard which you should find much of interest. One of the subsections covers Southern coaching stock which is being detailed with a lot of info from Glen Woods- who is also prominent on SReMG and SRLHCS- both on groups.io

     

    Of potential interest are the following which detail the SR's repaint of Mk1 set from Crimson Lake and Cream to Southern Region Coach Green No 11. These have been copied from the records of Lancing Works. Glen has also compiled a book called 'Lancing 1956' which lists all the activities during that year at Lancing Works. This is purely text listing with no illustrations. There are some still available from the Bluebell Railway Museum Shop if of interest. I can supply a sample page shot to show you the format if required.

     

    Mk1 3-car sets CLC to G livery change (British Rail Southern Region):   https://www.bloodandcustard.com/SR-CoachingSets-BR-ThreeSetsLiveries01.html  

     

    Mk1 4-Cor sets CLC to G livery change (British Rail Southern Region):

    https://www.bloodandcustard.com/SR-CoachingSets-BR-FourSetsLiveries01.html

     

    Mk1 4-Cor Sets (British Rail Southern Region):  https://www.bloodandcustard.com/SR-CoachingSets-BR-FourSets.html

     

    This is essentially the info on the Mk1 4Cor sets that was contained in the yearly SR Appendix to the Carriage Working Notice which details their formations and were they were allocated to work.

     

    Bloodandcustard also has some pre-grouping and Southern set formations as well as the excellent histories/profiles of a lot of the Southern Electric units.

     

    Don't forget the legendary 'varnishing' of the Southern which ensured some stock remained in unbranded Southern Railway liveries until well into the 1950s.

     

    Have fun!

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  2. Quite an interesting issue with a number of interesting subjects. Found something strangely appealing/ inspiring about the muddy field with cows... The scenes with modelling water and drainage pipes I also enjoyed, not normally my type of thing, but definitely in this case so well done to the author and photographer (and whoever laid out the page too) for catching my attention.

     

    Class 01 article interesting too. Need to reread it again as I was getting cross eyed over the D2956/ D2965 issue. I am not sure if the proof reader had the same issue but I wouldn't be surprised. All I can say is that thank god it wasn't me. Which was the intended number btw? Nice to see something about the class- never saw any of them and they were almost mythical in status..

  3. On 14/07/2020 at 12:20, ColinK said:

     

    I have written a few items for the 7mm NGA and although my articles are nowhere near as professional or polished as many, they have certainly been welcomed by the magazine editors, have been published and I’ve been encouraged to submit more.  The next issue of the DEMU magazine ‘UPDATE’ includes an article I’ve written about my layout, wonder how it will be received. But again I have been encouraged to submit more.  The key point is encouraging members to submit and publish articles.
     

    Hi Colin

     

    Being the sub editor and proof reader of UPDate, I was in the position of getting an early preview of your article. I found nothing intrinsically wrong with at all and it read very nicely indeed. Such was that I needed to do very little alteration/corrections and they were of a time sensitive nature caused by the blasted virus cancelling your forthcoming appearances, so it seemed pointless to leave them in. It was a very interesting read on the logistics and otherwise of taking a layout to a show and all that it entailed. I echo Kelly's sentiments in thanking you for submitting something so quickly that was 'a bit different' subject wise and also well written. Please feel free to submit more material, especially if you model in 7mm scale as we as a magazine are very much under represented in that size.

     

    Thanks again for your article and I hope that we presented it to your liking. (The change of title/ adding of a subtitle was me so feel free to blame Kelly (D827 here).

     

     

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  4. On 27/06/2020 at 17:12, Natalie said:

    Hi Martin

     

    Enjoying your work.

     

    Any chance of E5625 joining your fleet (or indeed E5962)...?

    Hi 

    Sorry for the delay. Time to clarify and correct the confusion caused by my inability to type numbers correctly...

     

    E5625 was apparently fitted with BT5 bogies for a time (Harris- "early 1972") as part of the development of the Mk3 stock. 

     

    E5962 should have been M5970 which was converted into the prototype APT catering equipment vehicle and was later renumbered as M1800 and reclassed as RSS Restaurant Self Service. This was a more involved 'four-module' conversion.

     

    According to Harris in Mk2 Coaches there was another APT catering conversion carried out on another Mk2f TSO (it was this one that was M5962). Described by Harris as a 'galley conversion' it had 2 bays of seating replaced by a kitchen area which included an air circulation oven, a bread toaster and 2 fridges.  It began public trials during October 1974 on the 1015 King's Cross- Leeds and a return. It later joined the then still-numbered M5970 on the West Coast after March 1975. Both are reported as retaining their original numbers at this time and TSO classification but had full length red cantrail bands.

     

    M5962 the galley car was restored to an open second during 1976 whilst M5970 was redesignated as RSS No M1800.

     

    I have never seen pics of any of the three vehicles mentioned so modified. The only RSS ones in BR use are the pair at Glasgow Central on Eastbank MRC's site.

     

    Also never seen are pics of the prototype Mk3 vehicles during their trial use in scheduled LH services on the East Coast (or the West Coast for that matter..)

     

    All in all not really very relevant to your excellent modelling but updated for completeness. Looking forward to seeing more of your excellent work.

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  5. On 06/04/2020 at 09:33, Hroth said:

     

     

    My own particular memory, icicles hanging off the eaves of the school toilet block and going to school with deep snow up to the top of our wellies. 

     

    Hmm probably says more about me but I never read the last word as 'wellies'...

     

    Interesting thread. I often wonder if I would have preferred to have lived then (well I did for the last 3 years of the 1960s) but then again I don't think I would have. Now if I could pick and choose which elements that would be another thing...

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  6. On 09/06/2020 at 02:24, zarniwhoop said:

    At some point Natalie posted repaint dates on here. 

     

    A couple of others were repainted "by dates in 1970" . If your rmweb searching skills are good, I recommend searching this site for Natalie's post.

     

    I think the above may be the relevant thread that you refer to.

     

    I just point out that none of the dates listed are my own work? They were kindly sent to me by John Atkinson who is one of the writers on the excellent bloodandcustard  site which is highly recommended if you are interested in the units shown here- and why wouldn't you be! As yet the CIGs and BIGs have not been covered on the site but are 'in preparation.'

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  7. 18 hours ago, Andrew P said:

     

    Hi Andrew

     

    Out of interest, check this guy out, he plays with Bruce Welch on Shadowmania.

     

     

     

    That is Justin Daish who started off on the Shadows forums sending in videos of him playing to backing tracks. As he has got older he seems to have morphed into Hank Martin and is very well regarded on the Shadows scene. He played lead in a group 'The Shadowers'. He is more Hank than Hank is nowadays it seems and is a very talented guitarist. The clip above is not from Shadowmania but there are clips of him playing with his group and guesting with others at those events.

     

    I attended every Shadowmania and really miss them. A lot of the groups were semi-professional but all really, really good. Coupled with a great sound in the venue (Lakeside Country Club Frimley Green) it gave me the chance to hear the Shadows' music played live and to a high standard, something I wasn't around for in the 1960s. It has given me the chance to meet some of my 'heroes'. The only Shadows not to appear were (not including Ian Samwell (RIP) and Terry Smart were Hank himself, John Rostill ((RIP), John Farrar and Tony Meehan- although hevhad veen in the audience. There is a lot of of YouTube footage of Shadow mania featuring the likes of the Rapiers,  Bruce Welch's Moonlight Shadows amongst others.

     

    It was nice to see the Shads on national television and not being mocked. There is a tale of Mark Knopfler appearing on Parkinson who kept trying to dismiss the Shads and Hank but Mr Knopfler was having none of it.

     

    There were two previously unseen bits of film from 1957 with Bruce playing a Gretsch/Gibson (sorry not sure which) and Hank with his unloved Antoria which was used pre Strat. Was mildly amused at the references to Hank and Bruce being founder members as Move It was played underneath.. Technically I spose they were founder members of the Shadows but that is only because they had changed the group's name from The Drifters. Founder members were Cliff, Norman Mitcham, Ken Pavey and Ian 'Sammy' Samwell on guitars with Terry Smart on drums. When it came to Move It only Cliff, Ian Samwell (who played rhythm) and Terry Smart were on it aided by Ernie Shear (a session guitarist) on lead and Frank Clark (another sessionist) on upright bass. 

     

    Overall though I think the film was very good although maybe mentioning how Hank came to adopt the echo unit unit would have been included. This was from Joe Brown, the ex-Plaistow fireman who was a session guitarist and played lead for Billy Fury on the sublime 10' "Sound of Fury" which was self written before the Beatles apparently invented such a thing... The Shads- particularly Hank and Bruce were also prolific song writers but this wasn't touched on. They contributed most of the numbers for Cliff's 'Me and My Shadows' LP in 1960 again before the Beatles 'invented' such a thing as the BBC seem so keen to point out. 

     

    Looking forward to hearing something Shadows-like on that magnificent guitar Andrew- played through an echo unit and Vox AC30 amp (there is a good doc on Vox-from Dartford- on YouTube.). Thanks for sharing.

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  8. 23 hours ago, mossdp said:

    Buffer beams on a right angled metal plate with two screw holes to fit them under the floor is a Ratio feature. Can't see what your van has. 

     

    Many thanks for your kind reply. I have photted the buffer beam arrangement under the floor. There is a metal plate with a screw at each corner. On close examination it does appear to be that the plate is angled to form the bufferbeam but it might not be very clear in the photos. I can't seem to get a decent photo behind the bufferbeam.

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  9. Sorry for the huge date bump but I have come across this topic only today. At the 7th Chris Kedgley Skills Day today at Didcot Civic Hall was some stock previously owned by a now deceased member. Mostly it was all manner of GWR types but a model of a Southern Railway GBL (Gangwayed Bogie Luggage) van caught my eye and for a very reasonable price under £10 I was tempted.

     

    I am trying to work out who the model was made by. It is obviously a wooden body and the planking appears quite well reproduced to my mind. The underframe equipment is on a metal plate screwed to the underbody. The gangway is either lost or not fitted. Overall it looks quite a good attempt- certainly better than the old Triang version although the bodyside windows appear a touch high.

     

    I have consulted my Gould "Southern Railway Passenger Vans" (Oakwood X50, 1992) and there is a chapter at the rear on 4mm Scale models of SR Passenger Vans.

     

    Reading the text suggests that the model is potentially either Ratio or CCW Productions (described by Gould as Cramer, Cartwright, Webster). Gould reckons that on the CCW version the planking is wrong and the windows a little high and generally not as good as Ratio.

     

    Judging by the advert pictures in this thread I really cannot make my mind up whether the model is Ratio or CCW. My hunch is Ratio as the CCW planking appears coarser and deeper in the adverts whilst my van has quite subtle planking. I have included some photos snapped by my phone and hope that they show the vehicle to advantage.. Apologies for the orientation of the photos but I have no idea how to rotate them as they were imported direct from my phone camera.

     

    As it is EM fitted we plan to replace the bogies with something a little more detailed but also with P4 wheels. The battery boxes could benefit from some surface detail but would it really be visible? Finally the ends need some replanking- they are wood grain on the model and an appropriate gangway fitted.

     

    Any help with identification gratefully received!

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  10. Myself and Kelly  (D827) had a wonderful time. Lots of humorous chat about all manner of things and some excellent modelling on view. Where else can you see a Southern Region De-icing set on one layout and a De Glehn Compound (GWR 104) on a rake of LNWR corridor stock on another (set on the Dorset coast?)

     

    Whether you are a fine scale modeller or not there is much for the modeller to enjoy at these skills days. I recommend attendance!

     

    Thanks to all for carrying on with the day and for your time, expertise and chat.

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  11. Hi

    Can I thank the organisers for another excellent show. Can I also thank the stewards at the entrance for the consideration shown to my friend Kelly  (D827 here) who was using her mobility scooter (or The Dreaded Contraption as I refer to it)? Firstly being able to park near the front despite not having a blue badge- not all with disabilities are able to get a blue badge- was also a tremendous help and again much appreciated.

     

    I went ahead to join the queue and get the tickets and to see if Kelly could be let through the barrier at the end instead of having to zig zag round the barriers. The way Kelly drives the contraption it is likely that she would have demolished it all or ran everyone over! Permission was instantly given for which many thanks.

     

    On buying the tickets I was deemed to be Kelly's carer (although it is debatable who of us is caring for who) and despite offering to pay was very kindly given free entry which was a wonderful gesture. This promptly went onto the Society's magazine stall donation plate and the rest to another worthy charity.

     

    Lovely wide aisles really make a difference. Despite generally being a fine scale rivet counter (apparently this is considered by some to be a bad thing) there was lots to see.  I especially enjoyed the LU layouts and also the 3mm layouts- Addison Road being just one of those. I remain staggered that this size has never caught in commercially as my personal opinion is that N is just that bit too small- although gifted modellers like Jerry (Queensquare) and Grahame Hedges are truly gifted practioners and artists in this scale. There was really was a good spread of layouts of all eras and sizes and space to be able to see them too. Lots of people to talk with and all too soon the show was over. I had been that absorbed in things that I hadn't needed to take either my pain reducers or anxiety meds.

     

    All in all a wonderful show and thanks to all who were involved in any way. We both appreciated it. Add the 'banter' from Charlie Petty which is always amusing and I certainly had a great time-helped by obtaining a number of publications.

     

    As a last humorous aside on getting my hand stamped to go outside this is what I was presented with:

     

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    The poor person on the other end of the stamp was mortified and really concerned that they had offended me and offered to do it again. I said no need and that it was really funny and hadn't realised that they knew me that well!  The other stewards of course had to have a look at what was amusing us and they also had a good laugh about it.

     

    That shows to me what a tremendous hobby that we have in that we can all share some humour and have a nice laugh about it. That is what it is all about- friendship.

     

    Once again thanks to all involved and I am already looking forward to next year. It has done me the world of good.

     

     

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  12. Good news about the Mk1 diagram 24 RB (seemingly with B1 or CW bogies) but what is indeed intriguing is R4974A which is described as InterCity no 1981 RBR.

     

    Is this- and the accompanying picture suggest this too- a diag 23 RU (of the type that Bachmann produce) but in refurbished RBR (can't remember diag number) form which had bodyside alterations which Bachmann haven't modelled. Hopefully so as it will be a great match for the InterCity mk2d, f and Mk3a stock that isn't currently catered for by Bachmann. A clever move from Hornby if this is the case.

     

    Just need Hornby to do a genuine Mk1 boat SO and to omit those roundels from the green stock. The new buffets significantly tip the balance towards Hornby in SR Mk1 stock.

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