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23 hours ago, Not Captain Kernow said:

As a matter of interest, how many of those are due in the next three months?

As a matter of interest I couldn't give a flying fig. I just know other manufacturers are making a better pitch for my money than Bachfar at the moment, be it the next 3 months or 3 years, and the this latest 'non' announcement only backs that up.

My cash is already lined up

Sonic's 0-6-2T

Revolution's Class 128 and A tanks

Rapido's Metrovick

Dapol's high window Maunsells

Sorry Bachfar, you'll have to go to the back of the queue.

3 x 3 packs arrived in sunny Adelaide this afternoon via airmail. International post making a bit of a recovery - 7 days UK to Melbourne and 5 days Melbourne to Adelaide.

The outer sleeves are very tight, but no biggie. I found just being patient when first pushing the jewel cases out worked, and they slipped back in again quite easily.   

My father worked at Blue Circle, Northfleet and in my teens I went to school beside the Dartford Loop where they made regular appearances so just had to have a few of these.  

Oh...... and thanks guys!

On 12/01/2021 at 04:33, James Harrison said:

Just a thought.  If these take off and sell like the proverbial hot cakes (and of course we all hope they do, don't we?), would that encourage Hattons to look at, say, 50' non-corridor bogie carriages in a like manner?

Do we have the stamina for another 100+ page thread?

On 14/11/2020 at 02:09, lucazone said:

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If I have remembered that right, would it be worth RevolutioN doing a reflective article of the realities of model railway manufacturing and why there are huge timeframes involved?

Good Lord. Why would they waste their time? Andy and Mike repeatedly explain the issues they face in producing and delivering their models in the current environment, both here and on the NG Forum, but from the constant whingeing that goes on it's obvious no-one takes a blind bit of notice.

It's shame, because every email (or article) they have to write because no-one is paying attention means the less time they have for planning and producing their excellent models.   

On 01/10/2020 at 11:53, SomethingTrainLover said:

Hoping for an update on the Englands in the next couple months. It's been what? Ten months since they showed off one of the early chassis prototypes?

Mmmmm.....what else has happened in the last 10 months?  Nah, can't think of anything

On 13/11/2020 at 08:19, dpgibbons said:

Sound version demo here

"Straight out of the box it runs whisper quiet......." 

3 hours ago, tiger said:

These look good to me (I’m definitely not an expert!) so I’ve ordered two BR blue, weathered examples.

 

...which leads me to a question. Can anybody with better knowledge explain the multiple working variations within the class? According to the Wikipedia entry the class was equipped as follows:

 

D8500–D8587 ◆Red Diamond
D8588–D8616 ★Blue Star

 

The EFE models all either have blue star markings or are not marked at all, with the exception of E84509 WSL EFE Rail Class 17 Diesel Locomotive D8600 BR Green which has red diamonds. According to Wikipedia this is one of the blue star series!

 

Can anybody more knowledgeable explain what is going on? Have EFE got the wrong running numbers for red diamond vs blue square locos? Is the Wikipedia entry wrong? Or is Wikipedia correct for Multiple Working “as built”, but some locos were changed from one multiple working system to another during their working lives?

 

For what its worth the two models I’ve ordered both have blue star markings and I’d like to be able to run them as a double header, but one of them is D8606 (blue star number series according to Wikipedia) and the other is D8507 (red diamond series).

 

In preservation the real D8568 (red circle series as per Wikipedia) has blue star markings.

 

Yours confused,

 

Tom.

I partly answered this on the previous page

To expand.....I believe that over time most of the red diamond locos were converted to blue star, especially those that were repainted blue.

A quick search on Flickr brings up D8507 at Millerhill during July 70 in blue livery with blue stars.
However at least one of the Beyer Peacock built examples D8600 green SYP - one of the EFE weathered ones - carried the red diamonds and is correctly modelled so, 

There is also a pic on Flickr of 8599 at Tyne Yard in July 1969 with no mu working symbols at all. 

16 hours ago, spamcan61 said:

So who are "most people" in this instance? 

Numerous happy punters on the N gauge forum, with only one person having had haulage issues - on a 1 in 25 grade!

39 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

Looks bulky in all dimensions to me.

 

OK, we all know that this type of locomotive, with narrow bonnets, is the most difficult to replicate in a model that has to go round trainset curves. But better to accept that it can't be done than to build up peoples' expectations of a good model. As someone else has written, a return to the 70s for N gauge.

 

Sorry to be so negative (I am having a really bad day elsewhere) but I was so looking forward to this release and am now rather disappointed.

It's been measured by a respected source and the height was the only dimension out.  But the 'legends' have been established - poor haulage capacity (most people are having no issues), dimensionally incorrect - and unfortunately these will be repeated ad nauseam on this and other forums from now until eternity.

3 hours ago, Izzy said:

Hm, this sounds like a time warp back to the 1970’s, thought we'd managed to get beyond that era in N, such a shame.

 

Izzy

I hear tomorrow the sky's falling in 

6 hours ago, Steven B said:

My green one arrived this morning. Apart from the height issues mentioned above it's a rather nice loco...........Mine is missing the multiple working symbols though.

.......

 

Steven B.

I believe that over time most of the red diamond locos were converted to blue star, especially those that were repainted blue.

However at least one of the Beyer Peacock built examples D8600 green SYP - one of the EFE weathered ones - carried the red diamonds, 

I don't know the number of your model,  but as an example there is a pic on Flickr of 8599 at Tyne Yard in July 1969 with no mu working symbols. 

As for the height issue it has been posted elsewhere that they are 1.3mm too high. I'm guessing most people's n-gauge tracks are out by a bigger margin!
 

What has any of this to do with the new EFE Rail line of products.......?

On 14/08/2020 at 17:11, norman said:

Nile, imposing a discount limit is I believe illegal, no it must just be a convenient coincidence that favours the retailer but disadvantages the consumer.

Paul, surely It's good business sense to offer reduced prices in order to attract more customers and sell more product or offer a better service in some way to achieve the same.

Just put 'em in the slammer and have done with it 

Imagine the outpouring of outrage if they tried that now 

On 19/09/2019 at 18:50, SouthernBlue80s said:

 

I guess it was. It would have been quite something if it worked all the way to Sheerness. I guess we will never know.

In the late 60s/early 70s, 37s would occasionally reach Hoo Jct - there was a daily (?) Temple Mills (?) to Hoo freight that was usually a Class 31, but occasionally a 37 would turn up, and on a couple of occasions a Class 15 would appear - it ran right past our school. 

15 hours ago, Butler Henderson said:

Afraid my experience is usually the exact opposite; ordered items typically take 4-5 days to get picked and the parcel if lucky turns up before a fortnight has expired in complete contrast to the standard fast service from the likes of Kernow, MRD and Trackshack 

Yet this forum is littered with tales of positive service and almost overnight delivery from Hattons.

I wouldn't buy any lottery tickets if I were you 

On 10/01/2020 at 08:54, truffy said:

 

Or those that are trying to use it.

 

But I'm done now.

Thank God for that 

More comedy gold from the "Not in my armchair" brigade.

This thread should give the Hattons 'Genesis' thread a good run for its money  

On 06/12/2019 at 17:34, Hal Nail said:

I beg to disagree. If technology is involved it's only a matter of time before it goes horribly wrong!

Yup - they should go back to using slide or print film, take the items outside into the daylight, use an external light meter, then send the film of for processing, wait 2-5 days, then scan it and then upload. Much more efficient and less likely chance of error 

On 08/11/2019 at 07:40, Hroth said:

 

Given some of the comments that have been posted here, I wonder how close Hattons have been to "like it or lump it" territory!  That they've paid attention to sensible suggestions and managed to hold their tongues is remarkable, and I wish them all the best in this endeavour.

 

Quite so.

60 pages in and still the thread that keeps on giving

Sorry I was looking for the Hattons Garratt thread, but I inadvertently stumbled on this one.

Do please carry on   

25 pages of Comedy Gold Jerry  

If you don't like 'em, don't buy 'em. Simples.

On 05/10/2019 at 19:29, Roy L S said:

Could just be me, I may have missed previous announcements but pleased to note that these can now be pre-ordered, my account at RevolutioN duly logged into and a triple-pack of pre-TOPS duly added to my other items.

 

Might I suggest it may be worth RevolutioN raising the profile of this one a little bit??

 

Roy

 

 

Agree - very much a niche model. I got my order in some weeks ago now for 3 x triple packs, but am nervous about it getting across the line.

If people cast their minds back a couple of years, at one stage the B class tanks were no certainty.

I don't care how much these cost, just shut up and take my money!