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Been endeavouring to get my first Class 08 ready the shunt the yard when we exhibit at Aldershot. Just concerned that Charlie gets the chip to me in time to fit it. Dave

Oh bug*er. Yes. Sorry. Dave

Where would a newbie make an error if they knew that the 'point' had to be 16.2. This measurement clearly affects the crossing and the blades area, so all that's left are the area beyond these. Dave

I think it does though. Nobody is able to supply a reason why I should not use 16.2. Dave.

Thanks Andytrains but this is about 16.2 and we have a set of standards already As you say, it's the DOGA that need to settle on one standard but that has no place here. We already know all that. P4 may well be more accurate but that is not a reason not to use something else. In this instance 16.2. I'm guessing that you are a P4 modeller and if so, good luck but I also guess you have no interest in using 16.2 and if this is the case I can only sum miss you are here to try to wind everyone up. Dave

Absolutely shameless Andy. Take 5000 de-merits. Truthfully though, the DOGA promotes 3 standards. So what one is the Traditional One? You see, I think the DOGA has done much similar to the originator of 16.2. They've found that ONE standard on 00 is not enough. They've had to find an extra two. They may as well now add 16.2. They could call it '00 Second Thoughts' or '00 Core Blimey Mate, That's a Good Idea'. Dave

I think you are trying to pass the buck now and relieve the pressure on yourself. I don't mind at all. My shoulders are very wide Martin. Notorious of West Sussex. :-)))

Ravenser. I appreciate your concerns about posting in that subject but, of course, you wouldn't be able to answer the question posed simply because there isn't one. Whilst I am comfortable with your promotion of DOGA standards, why, oh why, are you bothering us? 16.2 is obviously not for you so why bother to come here. I and probably many others can only surmise that you just like to wind people up. Dave. (Please note, this is a real name and it's mine)

Ravenser. Looking at the last sentence, what is traditional hand built track? Please let us have the dimensions for this? Dave.

Thanks Derek for your kind comments but besides the good looks of 16.2, there's also the great results of using Templot. Dave.

What ever you might read into this, the fact still remains that you and anyone else are not able to supply a reason why anyone should NOT use 16.2. This is because there simply is one. Dave

ars The advanced info I have seen and from the pictures I've seen posted of Mars, they've found evidence of some sort of movementon, as witnessed by the parallel lines on the surface. On closer inspection, they're 16.2mm apart. Yessssssssss! Dave

What do DOGA Fine and Intermediate do that 00-SF doesn't? I'm all ears….. Screen Shot 2015-09-27 at 16.09.53.png Gordon. Well, DOGA Fine makes you re-gauge all your wheels for a start.! Dave

Yes mate. That's how it was when I first started and I'm not bloody going back and relaying it the 16.5 now. Not enough years left. Dave

Ravenser. I respectfully refer you to my topic' Why should I not choose 00-SF'in which I invited you and anyone else to answer the question posed in the title. No one came up with a sensible( with respect to those that tried) answer. You don't even seem to have had a go! Dave

It has occurred to me that some readers might wonder why there is so much wiring on a DCC layout. Most of it is lots of section switches. At least two in each long siding and one each for stub ends. This is because the layout is also wired for DC operation. Also, we do not use DCC to operate turnouts. Too slow. Dave

Ha, ha. I've used P4 wheels on 16.2. track. They fell off until I had the idea of re-gauging them. Dave

Dave. I've already posted on the subject of how to flair. See below to stat the discussion ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ................ The big question, of course is, do you move one rail .3mm or two rails each by .15mm. Personally, if I had to do this, I would move both rails on the point by 0.075 and both rails on the end of the RTR flex track inwards by the same amount. (Hope my maths hasn't let me down there). Once again I reiterate; Why would anyone need an instruction on how to move a rail or rails .3mm. If they can build pointwork they don't need instructions. This is, of course, complete and utter bo**ocks. Or perhaps you are just winding us up like Ravenser loves to do. Dave

Flare P4 to EM?? Don't fancy your chances too much! Dave

Sorry, just spotted this. That's bloody wide 00. What do you call it? 00 XXXL GOGA (Gauge 0 Guild Association) Dave

This is somewhat annoying as I've had to read one of Ravenser's post, but only because our Club's name was flagged up to me. Just one thing if you would care to answer please, Ravenser or what ever you name is. Tell us what makes you fully aware of what selection of wheels run on Falcon Road. Please don't use Falcon Road to illustrate your adversity to 16.2 without knowing its history. By the way, I don't ever remember claiming that 16.2 makes for better running when referring to Falcon Road, only that is has 16.2mm track. I'm happy to be corrected though. Please also note that for our Club, 16.2 is NOT an alternative to Peco of any kind. We've never used it in 00. Back when I started using 16.2mm ( I wonder if Martin can remember when that might have been, I can't) the two centre boards of Falcon Road were part of a much larger club layout (and still are). At that time the 'new age' RTR steam locos had BtB wheel measurements of down to 14.2/14.3 and either dropped terribly into the crossings or would not pass through the check rails of the copperclad track I had been building since 1969. It was 16.5 with about 1.25 flangeways. Some of these new steam locos had drivers on stub axles that were 'glued' into a centre plastic part with or without a gearwheel. For many Club members, and myself for that matter, it was a big ask for them to re-gauge these axles to the accepted 14.5mm BtB we used. If you've read my posts, you will remember that this difficulty of re-gauging was the nub of it. Before starting a new layout something had to be done and 16.2mm was the answer. I also wanted much better looking track with proper components and this had lead me to Exactoscale. As the new layout was to involved a lot of plain track in platforms, I was only prepared to build plain track for the front two lines and used Exactoscale 00 sleeper bases for tracks further from the eye(all alongside platmorms), as it was. Dear oh dear, I remember now, This included gauge widening!! I can remember having to wait some months for the 00 version to be made available by Exactoscale. That will give some idea of the date this started. 16.2 cured the two problems in one go. It also assisted in running my EMUs that used PC wheels. (remember them?) So. 16.2 allows us to run a number of differing wheels without re-gauging 'new age' RtR stock and and using 14.5BtB on rollingstock with fine wheels Here's some pictures of the layout that started it all for us. Dave

Unconfirmed?? My love is only bounded by two things. Both are rails and they are 16.2mm apart. Dave

After two days operation at the REC show in Woking recently, a couple of little niggles raised their heads. A dead rail section was found in one of Oil Drum Lane's sidings (fixed quickly) but worse of all, a dead point blade crippled one track in the Loco Shed. (not such a quick fix) Also the uncoupling magnets under the concreted track in front of the warehouse in Oil Drum Lane where 'out of place' and needed moving. Trouble is, they are under the baseboard but behind the wiring. Also added a new throttle plug point at the rear of the Oil Drum Lane baseboards. Just the point blade to sort out later today, well in time for our appearance at the Farnham Club's show in Aldershot on 10th & 11th October. Hope to see some of you there. Dave

I still love you!

Clive and everyone. I suppose it takes a while for something 'new' like this to 'come on line' so to speak. Falcon Road is not the first out on the Exhibition Circuit but is a very early one as it was started soon after the gauge 'came to light' for me. The thing is, if others are out there at shows, do the owners announce it or just keep quiet for fear of terrible retribution from dissenters. Throwing eggs and fruit, no doubt. Once again for everyone on here. I use it everywhere and not just pointwork, because I wanted trackwork that looked better than anything available for 00 up til now. That means wood sleepers, proper chairs (facing the correct way round), track panels and fishplates. Up until then I had used copper clad. It just so happens that 16.2mm works very well for the stock we have and the flangeways look better. So say some of our viewers. Dave Ps. Clive. The builders of Harton Gill (00vw) are on the lookout for you. You have been warned!