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confused.... only one coach in the photo you've linked... where are the other 3?

Mystery of the non-existent ER Brake at Padstow... Page 172 of An Illustrated History of the NCR shows T9 30338 at Padstow shunting shock on 4th June 1960. The only stock in shot is the first 6 to 8' of an Eastern Region Brake which carries the number E179E. I PM'd Larry (Coachman) to try and find out what this might be only to be told a coach with that number didn't exist. I sent Larry a scan of the photo and no doubt after thumbing through the extensive Library in Coachman Hall he offered the following news: It's an all steel Gresley Full Brake built to D45 in 1926/7 to length 61'6" X 9' 0". Original number series 171 -193. Supposedly renumbered in 1943 to 70049-69. Small wonder I couldn't find them! Your picture shows clearly that this series of full brakes continued to carry their prewar numbers into BR days. So proof yet again that not all changes and alterations stated in records and repeated in reference books as gospel can be relied on.

Thanks Rod, as you say, not quite the NCR but probably based off the same shed? I'll add them to my list.

Yes i think it may be the 6W stove R being worked on by Hornby Magazine.

WR coaching stock on the NCR. Some discussion about this here.

Very interested in the Class 22 reference - as you say they were rare pulling passenger stock. Obviously i've not seen the photo put it sounds like the WR stock had come off the Bodmin line at Wadebridge (where it would have been attached to the Maunsell from Halwill) and was being taken fwd to Padstow. The point i was making was that WR passenger stock coming all the way along the NCR from Halwill didn't seen to happen. Collett brake at Halwill? - well there you go Hornby should have done the Colletts instead Would love to continue this conversation but it's obviously gone off topic for this thread. Please add anything else to the NCR one here.

Southern passenger carrying stock such as the Maunsells, Bulleids and Mk1s was the norm for the North Cornwall. Late in the day i've photos of Thompson SKs working with Bulleid BCKs and earlier shots of Ex ER cafeteria cars. The only WR passenger stock i've seen are the B-sets coming off the Bodmin line into Wadebridge and the WR line into Launceston. Non Passenger stock is a different matter. Yes the SR had loads of bogie and 4 wheel CCTs which got well used but, as photos show, full brake and parcels stock from the MR and ER were reasonably common in BR steam days (E179E at Padstow in 4/6/60 for instance). I've not seen any WR bogie brake or parcels stock in photos though, which is a pity as the Hawksworth BG looks great. (I'd love to proven wrong though!) Freight stock - loads of ex WR wagons on the NCR, particularly toad brake vans on specials.... Oh, to answer another question the NCR was always standard gauge - further East the Exeter and Crediton was originally broad gauge.

Darren Which D63XX numbers are in the photos you've got and what livery* / headcode** boxes do they have? *full green or green with small yellow panel ** no boxes or split headcodes I'm trying to work out which worked in the N Devon / N Cornwall areas on the old Southern lines. See my post here in my NCR thread.

I wonder if a BG ever got onto the North Cornwall....the maroon one on the Hattons site looks nice:

Class 22s / D63XXs on the NCR With the release due this year of Dapols Class 22 I thought I'd start recording sightings (albeit from books) of the evil 22s on and around the North Cornwall lines. Feel free to add sightings! An Illustrated History of the NCR (Irwell Press), revised edition, has two B&W shots: Pg 206 D6342 at Halwill 21/8/65 - split headcode and small yellow panel Pg 239 D6348 at Wadebridge 14/7/64 - split headcode and small yellow panel Steam Trials The Withered Arm (Ian Allan) by M Clemens, has two shots: Pg 33 D6334 crossing the R Taw near Barnstable 2/9/65 - split headcode and no yellow panel Pg 62/63 D63XX and D6330 rounding the curve from Padstow into Halwill Spring 1966 - both had split headcode and small yellow panel (Colour image) The Steaming Sixties Vol 4 - The Withered Arm in Cornwall (Irwell Press) by Peter Coster, has one colour shot: Pg 2 D6350 at Wadebridge with WR stock bound for Bodmin 17/08/62 - no front view.

The ones i have are cut from Rowmark (see below). Yup they can be painted and glued just like the plastic brickwork, although the use of a stronger solvent such as plasweld rather than Mek Pak. Their website is here. On their frequently asked questions doc they give the following info on materials and glues: FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS We hope that the information below will answer most of your queries for both our standard range of components and bespoke laser cutting service, however if not please contact us at laser@yorkmodelmaking.com For ease of use the information has been split into the following categories: Materials, Standard Components, Drawings for Bespoke Work, Cost of Bespoke Work, Payment and Timing. MATERIALS Which materials can be laser cut ? Rowmark – this is an off white plastic material, similar to “plasticard†but tougher and comes in 0.75, 1.00 and 1.50 mm. This is the material we use for our standard range of windows and canopy valances. It is ideal for fine detail due to its strength, but is a little hard for cutting with a craft knife. By request we can also obtain this material in black. Acrylic – we stock clear cast acrylic in 0.50, 0.75, 1.00, 1.50, 2.00mm. We usually also have 2.00mm white in stock. The thinner material is perfect for glazing but not ideal for fine detailed work where strength is important as it is quite brittle. We can get thicknesses up to 10mm if you require. MDF – just like you buy from your local DIY store, but in 2.00mm and 3.00mm thicknesses. Perfect for the construction of larger components. When cut the edges have a dark colourisation. Ply-wood – available in approx. 1.50mm thickness (being a natural material it can vary in thickness slightly) When cut the edges have a dark colourisation. Veneer – We usually have in stock Oak, Cherry, and Sapelli (a dark hardwood) The veneer is approximately 0.5mm thick and has a paper backing which gives it strength, making it easy to handle and very flexible along the grain. When cut the edges can have a dark colourisation. Mylar - This plastic sheet material, normally used for making stencils, is opaque in appearance and comes in the following thicknesses: 75, 125, 190, 250 and 350 microns. Paper and card – available in various colours, it can be used for making sheets of roof tiles and slates etc. When cut the edges can have a dark colourisation. Which materials can NOT be laser cut ? Unfortunately Styrene, commonly known as “plasticard†can not be laser cut due to the chemicals it makes and the inferior cut that is produced. This also extends to anything with PVC in it. We can surface etch, but not cut, metals, glass and stone. What “Glues†can I use ? Rowmark – Superglue, Plastic Weld, MEK-PAK Acrylic – Superglue (but can produce a white haze) Plastic Weld MDF, ply-wood, and veneer – White PVA (wood glue), Superglue Mylar – Spray adhesive such as 3M Craft Mount, superglue Paper and card - Spray adhesive such as 3M Craft Mount, White PVA (wood glue) Alternatively any of the sheet materials can have “double sided†adhesive tape applied to the back before cutting – please let us know if you wish us to quote for this option. What do I paint the components with ? We recommend lightly rubbing down the Rowmark pieces with fine “wet & dry†paper before spraying with a primer such as Halfords Plastic Primer. You can then either spray it with your chosen colour from an aerosol, airbrush or just hand paint using such as acrylic or enamel paints. We often use household emulsion paint such as Dulux Vinyl Matt colours. Hope this helps (no connection just a satisfied customer)

I hope so! I'm building the layers up on this one slightly differently to the last one. Both previous buildings used a single sheet of brick for all the facing with the different layers cut out fretwork style and built up using layers of plain plasticard behind. This took ages, so i'm trying something else this time...

Continuing with the build... Cutting more openings out of the brick sheet and progressing down the building The gable end - oversize at the moment, with the 3 recessed arches yet to be cut out. The openings traced onto a 1.5mm thick sheet of plasticard that will form the backing piece. The openings only partially cut out - the fine work is done after the brickwork skin is added. The hatched areas were left in at this stage to help keep the frontage straight and prevent it being attached curved to the backing piece. Using Plasweld to join the two layers Cutting the openings to size with reference to the actual window frames - these are from York Model Makers All the other lines indicate to me where the different layers need building up - this will be the next stage. The sloping red line at the top of the building isn't a mistake - it's the gutter line. The gutters go on top of the wall not in front of it. That's all for now folks - this will now continue slowly in the evenings after work. I do have until October to finish it though!

Enough chitter chatter, back to some modelling. I was lucky enough to grab a few hours today so I made a start on the third section of the worksop / smithy / powerhouse building that sits at the back of the layout. This should please Damian as at the moment there's a large empty patch of ground painted grey.... A few photos of the building I'm modelling Working out the dimensions by counting bricks (is this sadder than counting rivets?) My dodgy working sketches... And a template of where it has to fit... Making a start by marking up the brick embossed plasticard (SE Finecast in this case) Using dividers to cut the curves

Much appreciated Craig Well i think Damian has gone for the idea of adding a signal box near the Par line on DitD and i've found that Modelex sell etches of the 5 pane GWR windows. One question - has a corner of the box been rebuilt? From the photos it looks like new brickwork and pointing.

Do you think we should have DitD merchandise / t-shirts made up??

I've not written anything down, it's all down by eye using a relatively limited number of acrylic colours and weathering powders all on top of Halfords red primer. I will have to try and remember what i did as there's the third part of the back building on the workbench and t some point I'll have to get the brickwork to match! Something i did on the wagon shops (long building with lots of windows) was to give the brickwork a final quick waft with Halfords grey primer - this seems to knock the intensity of the brick colours back a bit to more subdued hues. I'll make a point of recording what i use next time and post it here. Not much help - sorry.

Welcome to your layout thread Mr R!

Glad you like it Natalie When Damian originally said he was building a modern(ish) image shed layout i initially thought of all the typical examples i'd seen to date. Then he mentioned it would be 4' deep and that it would be based on St Blazey with all it's old buildings and the clay wagon works then i got very interested. He's aimed for something that breaks the typical MPD steriotype and judging by the comments for show and thread visitors, appears to have succeeded! It's been great to work on and i hate to admit it but i've learnt a bit about the railway scene that isn't steam or SR biased along the way. Always good to do something different.

Hi Colin Think i'll have to source the windows first before starting the build - i've learnt my lesson there on other buildings! The front of the box will face the operators and an easy option would be not to model that side but is that likely? ;-) Does anyone into signal boxes know if this is a standard GWR design? If so i'm hoping that there are already some suitable window etches available. Failing that it could be another call to York Model Making for some specials. Food for thought but...... the next building i've already committed to is the third part of the workshops and these will be done for the Wadebridge show in October. Will chat to Damian about putting the signal box in the queue. Massive thank you to Craig for the photos btw - once again showing what a great asset the forum is for modellers.

Will Wadebridge in October do?

oh yes, forgot about the issues you had with the scalemodels ones. Think my memory is going with age, mekpak abuse ;-) and thinking about what trainset to build for myself. Hope all is well with you guys.

Sorry everone for the lack of replies - been busy at work and somehow missed these latest posts. On behalf of Damian and his band of helpers, thank you all for the kind comments. Craig, thanks for the signal box photos - they're great. Glad you took some around the back as that will be the side that faces the public. Interesting collection of other buildings and 'bits' too. Much appreciated. Many thanks. Yes that's the chap who makes the transfers - couldn't remember who Geoff had said until i saw it in print. (edit see Geoff's post below) We're next out with DitD in October at Wadebridge and a further 3ish times at other shows. Don't think we're near London though.

are you still keeping the roads in the south west safe? Do i remember correctly a photo of you on a police bike? I recently sorted through a load of old mags and the articles with C Rd in were some of the few i kept. As others have said it's the atmosphere that makes the layout a winner.

Nice to see you on RMweb. The layout appearing in model rail (10 years ago?) was a great inspiration to me and got me back into modelling the good old Southern. In a way you are partly responsible for treneglos appearing on the expo circuit in 2004. Nice to see the changes you've made, especially the new station. Please carry on posting photos and a track sketch would be nice to.