Bob Reid

Good comparison review Ray - shows you how much RTR  coaching stock has moved on in the intervening years....

The framed bodylights were I'm afraid, a bit of 70's Hornby imagineering - they were never fitted to the real sleeping cars - even in later life.....

Regards,

Bob

Not sleep inducing one bit - though I did scarilly have flashbacks to the annual budget meetings for Clayhills & Craigentinny!

Great piece of work for anyone interested in accurately portraying the workings round a CARMD/T&RSMD!

Someone's nicked your link Chris - There's no link on "more photo's of older lighting here:"

Marvellous, something I have never seen modelled before. There's just something about big sheds that impress.

Thanks Boogaloo - wish it was bigger, as it'll soon become crowded enough as it is - and that'll be without any vehicles in place!

Bob

Already looking the part even in this basic form. Looking forward to seeing a Griddle car in there...!

 

 

Dave.

Is that a Griddle Car or three Dave? I fitted a vent-axia roof extractor fan to 1106 and replaced bodylights in the part restored 1100 for the NRM, so I'll need two at least - oh and were you not looking for one to go with the 439 class ....

Bob

Coming along nicely Bob.

 

I'm sure you could find room for anothe 2m if you really wanted to!

 

Are you going to have some working winches by the traverser and what else was used to haul the stock into the shop in the first place?

Thanks Graham - No doubt you found the space an issue even with Kirkhill at 24ft long. No I'm happy in the knowledge that this first 5ft x 2ft board is underway and whatever comes after it and gets tacked onto the end is a good time away!

Motive Power for moving the vehicles about within the carriage shops was entirely down to the two traverser mounted electric winches and the ground mounted capstans - they were surprisingly powerful if a little hairy in operation! As to modelling them, I was hoping to avoid the 'hand-of-God' attaching cables for winches, so there'll need to be a couple of powered Mark 1s! and the like for moving about.

Vehicles were also shoved into the shops and hauled back out again at the entrance/exit roads using a Unilok shunter (see here) - a feeble looking thing, but quite capable nonetheless. The German built shunters (now produced in Ireland) were heavily ballasted and operated single ended - when the driver wanted to swap ends he lowered a central jack raising the vehicle off the ground, got out and turned it round by hand. When they needed it out they way they just lowered the road wheels and drove it off!

Bob

I hoping to get a higher resolution copy of that picture Bernard that'll maybe answer the question!

Interesting point Bernard, I hadn't noticed the lack of any lining. All of the E&G & other Mark IIs cascaded to the ScR were ex-LM in the 70s. I'm not sure though it isn't just a Mark 1 FK, either way the lack of any obvious lining is an oddity when compared to the Maroon Mk1 to it's left where you can clearly see small sections of the lining. I'll have to have a look at any ex-Southern Mk1 FKs transferred.

Bob.

At the moment Tony there's no intention to have the hoist able to lift vehicles however it'll all depend on how well I get on with the basic traverser - would make a nice touch though!

Bob.

It's amazing what you can do with 16 x 2mm scale driving wheels - at least it'll need to be

If it can fit in and work as I would hope (can you set the spacing between adjacent tracks to whatever you like or is it fixed?) then the best approach would be modifying the Heljan traverser however it's a bit on the big side.....

Bob.

As you say Jamie, Cowlairs was the ex-E&G. NB, then LNER Works and St.Rollox ("the Caley") having been ex CR, then LM&SR. Both were taken over by BR at Nationalisation - Cowlairs with 2,475 staff and St.Rollox with 3,382. For a long while (till the early 60s) the work allocation stayed much along the old pre-nationalisation lines with Cowlairs dealing with the LNE Group vehicles and St.Rollox, the ex-LMS group. Both works dealt with the newer rolling stock built under BR. It was changed in 1964-1966 with the rationalisation of all BR Workshops and after massive redundancies (around 3500 remained at or were transferred to St.Rollox) Cowlairs closed finally in 1968. St.Rollox was transferred as a wholly owned subsudiary of BR to British Rail Engineering Ltd in 1970 (When it got it's BREL Glasgow Works name). Although for coaching stock the workload was primarily for the Scottish Region, vehicles were from time to time also repaired for the London Midland and occasionally the Eastern Regions (though I did work on at least one Western Region vehicle).

Bob

Tony, I'll try and find a reference photo later that'll maybe put it into some kind of context however the lifting traverser (which was adjacent to the carriage lift shop near the Springburn Road main entrance) was a conventional single vehicle traverser, but unusually equipped with a permanent lifting frame and electric motored jacks on the traverser itself. Vehicles could therefore be lifted on the traverser to remove or replace the bogies, rather than moving individual sets of portable jacks about from one lift road to the other.

Bob

Cheers Dave. I'm hoping to push it on a bit further this week - holidays are great things!

On the real thing John, the bodyside panels either side of the bodylight were stamped with a flat section about an inch wide over it's height allowing the (flat) glass to sit on a flat portion of the curved bodyside! Not something you could create in plasticard I suspect unless you could create a tool for the job.

Suspect Pointing Man has found that missing widget nut

Nice work there John - It's a fine change to see scratchbuilding as opposed to the usual bitsa kits and cut n' shut work you see these days!

No idea why I've not visited your blog before Bob, but I love the lamented Glasgow - Aberdeen main line; I've only scratched the surface of it, and most of this since buying the awesome coffee table book on lost ScR lines late last year. It's a great subject, and if I could afford to spread my leisure time any thinner it would be my second strand for research after the Waverley (and my other favourite branch/ secondary network, the Moray Coast lines).

 

I'll keep popping in to see what's been going on, great to see more fledgling ScR '60s projects, really great!

Thanks Chard......Still not managed to make a start on it - slightly (an excuse will do) delayed by getting partially flooded in November past thanks to the small river at the back of our house (normally 6-12" deep) becoming a 7-8ft deep torrent.......fortunately most of our house is upstairs but access this week was by a ciuple of the builders planks. Okay excuses over.

Still torn between this and the somewhat more local but bigger station at Stonehaven - still on the Glasgw-Aberdeen main line but about 35 miles further North and the ability to legitimately run East Coast expresses from Edinburgh and all point South with impunity. Failing that I've a fall back position of something entirely fictional still in the same area but like Dave the Dog using all the best bits!

Oh and there's the small matter of a 2010 challenge to build when I can develop all or any of the nonsense in my head I've in mind for it.

This is to be my Chinese year of the Layout - where I'll actually build enough to run the stock I have......A shunting Plank would do

Hopefully you mean a BRCW type 3 - not the latest BR "WC" Looking good all the same....!

Yes Simon I do remember the Clan competition However we did announce and start it and finish it long before the Hornby announcement that they were going to do it - You'll remember also all the folk that said we were waisting our time on such an unsuccessful class, and why would Hornby even dream of producing it - blah blah blah...........

Keep up your conversions Simon and don't wait for the outcomes of the annual rumour mill.

Watch this space Dave...... I'll need something to run that A2 on!

Nice Mark 2! - Save yourself some time! Periscopes were not fitted to any of the Mark 2 brakes, having been abandoned (on all but the SR) in the summer of 1963, whilst Mark 1 construction was still on the go and two/three years before the Mark 2 BFKs were constructed. One less detail for you to model. I know you've mentioned the underframe equipment in passing however are you changing it to the earlier Mark 2 style?

Your quite right Jamie - seven points in the scenic area (C+L) and whatever it takes in the fiddle yard down the other long side. Main line trains certainly help as does the length to run them in - though I'll probably have to increase the A4 fleet by a couple and get my name down for a Bachmann A2... Oh and increase the number of Maroon Mark 1s - so if you feel like chucking yours in the bin, I've the perfect bin for them

I am Graham I've started constructing a 7mm diorama of part of the Carriage Shop at Glasgow Works (St.Rollox), purely to display / photograph the (infrequent) 7mm models I do, so therefore it's small (and non-functioning) in 7mm terms - which is about as much space as I have for an '0' gauge layout!

Fortunately I do have enough room (21ft x 7ft) in one of the lofts to fill with a 4mm scale / '00' gauge layout. I've tried a few locations however never being able to settle on a specific location didn't help! As most of my 4mm modelling has been in the 1960-68 period, and I've a leaning towards main-line as opposed to branch trains, Auldbar Road is more than a probable as I guess it ticks all the right boxes. Fortunately trains on the Glasgow-Aberdeen main line in that period were well photographed - and allow a typical for the period Scottish mix of ex-LMS and LNER locomotives!

Bob.

Good point 28ten! I still intend to use the blog for general carriage stuff - there is a lot I come across when searching out or creating drawings for folk that would be best suited to this "occasional" format I've chosen, that (obviously) are not particularly linked to a more specific layout or workbench thread! This 'drop by' format for me looks to be the best for that kind of thing!

Bob.

Cheers Dave. The first short article (which will be of Caledonian interest to you) follows shortly!

Bob.