Pennine MC

New markings all round make a huge difference,

They do, it's quite startling. Thanks John.

 

And consider also that suitable architecture and scenics may well add more of a Scottish feel to a layout than will a solitary 419/812/J38/what-have-you.

So you think we should be pestering them for RTP buildings and trees then

Seriously, I agree with Jamie's point. Whilst these initial responses might seem dismissive, it is pretty much the first they'll have heard of the proposals

 

I'm modelling the late 70's - 1981 period, so far all locos are BR blue, most rolling stock bauxite. However, I was wondering when the Railfreight red stripe on grey first started to appear on goods and brake wagons? Some sources say 1979, others are claiming that this 'new' Railfreight branding didnt happen until 1982 - too late for my layout. Can anyone confirm?

99% sure it was 1979 - the last OBAs and HEAs (to name but two) carried the new liveries from new. No brakevans however were done until the mid-80s, when a further batch of dual-pipe conversions were done to supplement the mid-60s batch

For that timescale, you also need to be considering freight maroon, which was applied to a lot of AB stock in the period from 1975

 

 

Since my last post I've noticed mine clunks a bit as you build up speed or go round a tight curve. :-(

This observation isnt based on anything empirical (our locos havent passed 'acceptance trials' yet), but that might well be the jackshaft slopping about, as mentioned earlier in the thread

Chris, it doesnt really help with your Presflo query and is a 70s shot rather than 60s, but I thought this pic on one of Swiss Ernie's sites might be of interest. He also has another, 60s, gallery with some lovely stuff in B)

Sorry for posting multiple times, but I didn't want to have to upload the images again if I'd navigated to the index to check!

 

 

Arp, if you run parallel browsers (either two tabs, or separate windows, doesnt really matter), you can use one to post and the other to check stuff. Still loving the layout BTW B)

Hi Dd, stranger and stranger.

Subsequent to your post was another, defending my post and attacking my attackers. That has been removed.

Oh well!

Don

I dont think it's that strange, because I know the background, but it might be opportune for me to have a word.

I saw the post you mention before its removal, and my view is that it was opportunist, disingenuous, personal and political, rather than being about defending you as such. It made an issue of agreeing with you that there was a problem - well yes, that was surely beyond doubt. What it didnt acknowledge is that there is a sensitive and acceptable way of reacting to the problem - a perusal of the Forum Help area will soon show that many posters have found that way. They just say something like 'I dont want to make a big deal of this, but...'

It then went on to lecture me (by implication, not by having the courtesy or, might I say, the balls, to name or quote me), on having a 'hissy fit'. Now ordinarily, I might have smarted a bit at that and felt suitable chastened, but in this instance the person delivering said lecture is someone who has a long history of having public tantrums here whenever something isnt to his liking. I clearly recall, back on a very early RMweb, him storming out in a huff because the forum wasnt working properly and Andy wasnt fixing it quickly enough for him. I agree my reaction to your post was a bit OTT, but I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured about it by someone who needs to get his own house in order, someone who is not on genuine moral high ground but on a platform of double standards.

I note you've made an apology in the other thread and I offer one likewise - although I stand by my basic point (and always will) about ingratitude to those who provide this facility for us, I could have been more restrained in making it. I would though with respect suggest that you're wise enough to stop digging around now, otherwise it might well appear that you're looking for support out of the main forum area and amongst a small gathering whom you might expect to support you. I'm happy to let it go and I hope you can do the same

To the other Early Risers, apologies for this intrusion, but I trust you can see why I felt it appropriate here

... and move them both back as they are to far forward by about the depth of the buffer beam.

 

This sounds interesting Trevor, are you talking about the error that Brian (Kirby) pointed out?

On the "slop" issue - could this be deliberate so that when sold to "normal" users it copes with trainset curves

Hardly a blinding revelation, I thought that went without saying.

? ? rather than those of us who are perhaps a little too fussy.

 

As the slop is quite possibly exacerbating any other mechanical problems, I dont see it as fussy at all

After careful consideration and trial running, mine and Bri's are going back for replacement. One of them will not run slowly (long bonnet leading) without lunging, the other is admittedly smoother but has a persistent mechanical click in both directions; I appreciate the reasons may be those mentioned earlier but if they're deep in the drivetrain, then at this stage I think we can do better. I dont doubt there are things that can be done to mitigate the inherent slop and I'm prepared to spend time fettling a model that's basically good to start with, but as Tim says, sometimes you get that feeling that this could be as good as it gets

Also there are no sandboxes on one and no nose door catches on t'other, as some others have mentioned; not a show stopper, but not brilliant either. Hattons so far look like being helpful, I sent an e-mail at 10 last night and got a reply within twenty minutes

Quick query, having just started to play with our two - are people having more hesitancy/lumping when running with the long bonnet leading, rather than the short?

This what it should look like, round with a bit on the side.

Excellent pic Brian, thanks. I was hoping somebody would answer this conundrum before long :icon_thumbsup2:

 

While I agree with Pennine that it's not too far off I would prefer the proper colour - before it gets a new number and emblem plus some some mild dirtying.[/i]

Mine of course will be in that special finish that Dairycoates applied

Everyone is talking about this loco, but not a lot is being said about the miss moulded exhaust.

 

 

And how to rectify the defect which is a liveable defect. I am sure that there those people with the weathering skills can disguise it.

 

It has been mentioned, earlier in the thread. But hey, you can't weather over fresh air - calls for a spot of filling with either Plasticard slivers and/or um, filler...

To add to the mystery - I bought a 37-537A on the 9th July from Hattons - so they have been around for quite some time, long before the December time frame.

Quite possibly Bill - I first recall mention of the release in Hornby mag's little side review panels, and it was well before December, but the ones I bought were the first I'd actually seen

Either there is something wrong with the colour reproduction of that picture or it's an example of the colour that has been copied incorrectly because it bears no resemblance at all to the original colour on the cabs!

... And checking in a recently published colour album my recollection of the colour tallies exactly with what appears on theese locos between its covers and I will be able to quickly judge if Heljan have got it right (or wrong).

 

Coming back to this, I didnt really follow which one was supposed to be right anyway...

Two models are now resident at Chez Pennine (second one for a mate, unfortunately ), and if anything I'd say that it's the Brunswick green that's slightly out rather than the cab green, though it's nowhere near being an issue. As already mentioned, rainstrips look as if they'll bear some research before getting out the carving knife; the bonnet/bufferbeam cockup is admittedly disappointing (puts it in the same bracket as the Western cab peak I suppose), but I can learn to live with it and overall I'm happy enough so far

Can anyone suggest a good source for NB improved engine green for my forthcoming Glens etc and claret for the coaches , Caley blue also please

I'm sure somebody can - in the correct area, somewhere like 'Questions and Help' for instance

 

The point of the poll and the discussion that preceded it was to establish the best choice of Scottish locomotives for a working layout and that, like it or not means locomotives which ran in British Railways black. A Jones Goods would be nice; I might even buy a decent one, but what I really want are working locomotives rather than preserved exotics.

I'd agree there, without sounding like we're making demands of the manufacturers it is a bit of an 'it's these or nothing' submission.

That said, and not wanting to divert too much further at this stage, one possibility not yet mentioned is the Director, which of course has a potential English spinoff and might go some way to addressing Gilbert's point about including something 'green and named'?

Here we are chaps, here's the British home grown version, the Dave Alexander kit. Still not finished !

 

While we're in comparison mode, I think the cabside window on the Alexander kit is pants, by comparison for instance to the Constructeon one

I've decided not to buy one, i'm a happy bunny.

 

Good for you

...(unless they had a coat of paint while up at Hull).

Aye, it was the next job on the list at Dairycoates, Mike, after polishing the buffers of the local 37s

again I shall wait & see before leaping out of my pram.

Ditto. It may not be a perfect representation of a class I recall from very early spotting days, but even at 115 quid it's the cheapest one I'm likely to get

We'll see how it goes a bit further on but we may need a run-off on the 0-6-0s, given that the Jumbo and 812 are so close both in terms of votes and size/shape/appearance - yes they are different but not enough for a manufacturer to produce both.

Would it be best for the votes for the 298 and 812 to be aggregated, given that anyone who voted for the one would still buy t'other? Or have some people voted for both...

They definitely come apart as I sold the chassis off mine when I wanted the bodies.

 

The handrails need pushing out of the chassis then I think a little glue held the body down;

 

And unless you're careful or lucky, at least one of the handrails will be glued in so firmly it'll break

 

They were all 10' wb fitted 5 plank wooden bodied 'Highs' - for clayliner use, most were fitted with roller bearings which is an essential mod' to otherwise fairly standard vehicles (mostly with Morton brakegear) - Parkside can provide the BR pattern with corrugated ends and an LNER five plank. Ratio a GW five and a half plank (but that will need a thorough rebuild to get that version). There's a start, anyway, I'm sure others will know more!

 

Only one of the pre-war clasp-braked LNER 5 plankers (a la Parkside) was known to have passed into Clayliner use, although there were probably some of the post-war 5 plankers with RCH brakegear and certainly some of the 6 plankers. The latter would either be a scratchbuild or an extensive conversion from something like a 3H or Cambrian wooden-underframed version.

The LMS, SR, MoS (again only one) and BR dia 1/034, 1/042 and 1/045 5-plankers are much of a muchness apart from small details and personally, I would use the 1970s Airfix RTR item (since made by Dapol and now Hornby), although the above mentioned Parkside body is very similar.

As well as the roller bearings, I would expect that most if not all wagons would have had BR-pattern axleguards fitted at the same time

I've said it before Peter but your 25s are spot on IMO, subtle and well-observed rather than the Gothic caricatures sometimes seen.

Yeah, the bog standard brakes were listed on Hatton's website in the December time frame. Seems like they were only there for a few days...

Like I said, get 'em while they're hot