Penrhos1920

PENGUINS II

A man drives to a gas station and has his tank filled up. While doing this the clerk spots two penguins sitting on the back seat of the car. He asks the driver, "What's up with the penguins in the back seat?"

The man in the car says, "I found them. I asked myself what to do with them but, I haven't a clue."

The clerk ponders a bit then says, "You should take them to the zoo."

"Yeah, that's a good idea," says the man in the car and drives away.

The next day the man with the car is back at the same gas station. The clerk sees the penguins are still in the back seat of the car.

"Hey, they're still here! I thought you were going to take them to the zoo!"

"Oh, I did," says the driver, "and we had a great time. Today I'm taking them to the beach."

PENGUINS I

Did you ever wonder why there are no dead penguins on the ice in Antarctica ? Where do they go? Well, wonder no more ! ! !

It is a known fact that the penguin is a very ritualistic bird which lives an extremely ordered and complex life. The penguin is very committed to its family and will mate for life, as well as maintain a form of compassionate contact with its offspring throughout its life.

If a penguin is found dead on the ice surface, other members of the family and social circle have been known to dig holes in the ice, using their vestigial wings and beaks, until the hole is deep enough for the dead bird to be rolled into, and buried.

The male penguins then gather in a circle around the fresh grave and sing:

"Freeze a jolly good fellow."

"Freeze a jolly good fellow."

Did you really believe that I knew anything about penguins?

It's so easy to fool OLD people.

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I can't believe the price a pair of Andersley JSA Covered Telescopic hoods have just gone for. This one was £51:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Andersley-JSA-Covered-Telescopic-Steel-Carrying-Wagon-Kit-New-Unopened-/321006343129?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&nma=true&si=qDIZ0bqiOnIz5C%2FySdG8BIoOPBQ%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

and the second one went for £50. Now that's what I call madness.

I have used a detached brick garage for my model railway for a two or more years now. To solve the cold winter problem i had a wood burner installed in the middle of the garage. It takes 30 - 60 minutes to heat up the garage enough to be able to build the layout. The main issue with the cold was that we not only got cold, but that we also made serious mistakes when installing track and points, so our brains were also effected.

My garage didn't have an up and over door, but a sliding door. However I think the main issues would be the same. It is a serious security risk and the gaps around the edges only makes the cold worse. It didn't cost a lot to get a uPVC side door installed so I could seal the main door shut.

The main issue left to resolve with the garage is now dirt. Half of the garage has a ceiling and the layout under that half stays reasonably clean; just like in a spare room. The half without a ceiling gets very dirty. It appears that most of the dirt comes from the roof tiles, but there is also some mortar dust from the gable end wall. To sort this out I've decided that I'm going to buy some of this modern bubble wrap type insulation to create a ceiling with.

Unless your spare room is bigger than you garage. Put your layout in the garage and set up a modelling desk in the spare room for building stock etc. The proper thing to do with the garage would be to insulate and plaster the walls and ceiling, but I would just start using it and see what you need to in 6-9 months time once you know how dirty it is and how cold it gets.

I drew the artwork in Autocad 2002 which I've learnt over the years courtesy of work; unfortunately only 2D. About 10 years ago I got to Nartgarw to measure up number 3 which was stored there. Fortunately the wrought iron railings still exist and I was able to do a rubbing of them. It was then a matter of tracing that in autocad.

I’m currently struggling with do a 3D drawing of the roof so I can get it 3d printed. I’ve given up on getting it 100% correct as no matter which profiles I use I always get a dip somewhere. So I’m going with what I’ve got and I will be sending something to Shapeways this week.

Once the roof and wrought iron are finished I think the rest should be plain sailing, although there are a lot of windows on number 1.

Where on earth did you come up with such an off the wall idea?

Many years ago I decided that my model railway would have to meet the following criteria:

• a junction that was on different levels
  
• GWR influence
  
• no big engines
  
• hopefully some 4 or 6 wheel coaches.
  

Those criteria narrowed the possibilities down and I ended up modelling Penrhos junctions -see my website link below. The ANDR ran through Penrhos junctions. They provided half of the passenger services through the junctions. They only had 5 coaches, so it’s difficult not to model them. I've been putting off making them for several years, ever since I got to Nantgarw to measure up number 3.

The etches for the wrought iron on the verandas arrived this morning. They are very fragile, I'm going to laminate pairs of gates and letters together to make them a lot stronger - that's once I've plucked up the courage to touch the etch!

Also on the etch are the destination boards and lamp irons Masokits style.

My neighbours have just returned from holiday and spent a fare amount of time travelling around Scotland in Mk1s with steam haulage. Now my preferred coach for a railtour or preserved railway would be something a bit older, say a pre-grouping 4 or 6 wheeler or a GWR toplight.

Given that most of us probably would prefer to travel in something that evokes youthful nostalgia what would you like to be travelling in on a railtour in 40 years time? Will the youth of today be wanting Pacers and Sprinters?

I've decided that it is time for me to throw my hat into the ring. A combination of this challenge and the Scaleforum scratch building challenge, which is for 2 P4 coaches from scratch by a novice builder, have got me off the sofa and tools in my hand. I've never scratch built anything. I've plenty experience of building kits and bashing RTR but the only scratch built projects stopped after a days effort.

I'm going to try and build, by mid September, 2 or 3 of the Alexandra (Newport and South Wales) Docks & Railway (ANDR for short) coaches. In 1910 they bought 3 coaches that had been touring the UK and Europe for the Barnum and Bailwy circus trains. See MRC 1986 for a series of articles and Backtrack July 2005. The coaches were American design built to the UK loading gauge over here.

When the ANDR bought them they fitted buffer beams and screw couplings in place of the buckeyes, rebuilt the verandas and changed the windows.

Inside they fitted longitudinal seats in place of the beds and toilets. All three coaches were different. Fortunately the body of number 3 still exists at Nantgarw and I was able to spend a day measuring it a few years ago. Number 1 is almost the same as 3 except it has end windows. Number 2 is a bit of a mystery. It had 16 side windows and I have only found one photo plus the GWR diagram which cannot be relyed upon as the GWR diagram is wrong for number 3.

The big hurdles as far as building them have been getting reliable information and trying to decide how to make the roofs, the wrought iron, and where to get the wheels (28" diameter) and buffers from.

I think the plan is to start in the middle at the mine, keeping that part to scale, and then extend side ways as the project moves on.

 

You haven't stated a scale so I presume it will be OO.....

 

Les

P4, at least that is what I'm drawing out the track plan as.

Richard

Not a member of CMRC but helping out with Templot

Does anyone know of a good source of cheap, modern, seated people? All I can find is expensive whitemetal castings in packs of one or two, or figures that look like characters from a 'Miss Marple' story...

I've used these, yes some look a bit old but just place them away from the windows. http://www.ebay.co.u...=item483f3c5b02 They were on £4.99 for 60 when I bought a couple of months ago.

Guess where I ended up instead:

Oh and the story is that Sir Lamiel nearly ran out of coal!

Quantities for the above are limited to 300 of each model

 

Retail Prices on this model is looking to under £100.00, this includes:

 

Bi-Directional headlights Twin Light Clusters, Dummy BSI coupling, additional tension lock couplings, NEM Pockets,

Working constant switchable interior lighting, Refurbished Chapman seating, Corridor Connections, Radio Roofpods with earthing strip,

Power Car & non powered Trailer car, Apertures for DCC Speakers & decoder, 5 Pole low profile skew wound motor & gearboxes.

This chassis design will allow see through window glazing within the Highly detailed bodyshell.

Bargain. Looks like the wallet will be severely dented when 143s arrive in Arriva Trains Wales and Valleys Lines liveries. Are you taking deposits? Or do we just need to keep an eye on this topic?

It looks like a Western Region permanent way yard today. Someone mis-spelled a requisition form at Awrhyllgwami Quarry. Wonder how that happend...?

 

Well I'm not sure about that as I think I spotted Frome WR, Hartlepool NE & Stratford GE brandings on those wagons.

Many thanks to Penrhos1920 for lending his wagons

You're welcome. It's really great to see my wagons out and about. I didn't build them to get stored in a box. I hope they all behaved themselves.

No hinges on any of them and I can't say I ever notice the lack of them. Too busy watching the loco. Valve gear and balance weights are hypnotic and draw the eye. Door stops are just sooooo boring.

Ah, but Gods Wonderful engines don't have outside valve gear to detract from their beautiful coaches.......

The other plus is the amount of room around the layout, particularly in each corner where 3' plus will enable access from the rear should there be problems. The last thing I am considering is a cable tray on the inside of each board, so all the soldering and connections are easily accessible, rather than scrambling about underneath. I saw this on another forum and it seemed a great idea for those of us struggling with bending.

 

That sounds a big bonus. Can you post the link for where you saw it please; I'd like to see how it is done.

Thanks

Richard

Just in case it is of interest, this shot was taken of a late afternoon parcels passing Abergele at speed on 21st June 1977, and shows....

 

S1320 Southern Railway van built in 1939

W299 Great Western design Full Brake built in 1951

M----- LMS 50' Full Brake built in 1940

It looks as the Hawksworth has had its gangways removed? Wasn't it also the first to be withdrawn despite being young than the others?

Lastly, the version i'm most pleased with, Comet sides on a Bachmann RU body and chassis. Using this body means it blends in nicely with other Bachmann Mk1s. Roof details and door steps have to be slightly relocated, but nothing too serious. This has started off in cream, so as to end up in WR choc/cream and create the Bristolian rake.

Cheers, Brian.

 

I've started detailing the Mainline version, but not got too far as there is alot to do. I did consider putting the body on a Bachmann chassis, but what are you going to do about the underframe detail? Aren't the boxes etc wrong size and location? The vacuum cylinder is the wrong side of the V hanger which is the wrong type.

Does look good for it's size. Nice to see that there are some points available in T now.

And scratch built?

I'll have to see if Templot has T gauge already set up.

I think Ks did a kit in 4mm. But it's probably not particularly accurate.

You will find some photographs of the T49 coaches in the several volumes of "Severn and Wye", Ian Pope, published Wild Swan.

In vol.1 the bottom photo on page 136 is a difficult one. After much thought I think that the 2 coaches nearest the camera are T49, but the third coach is a U25. In vol.3 the bottom photo on page 549, the first coach is a U24, ie a U25 with the duckets removed.

Here are a couple of photos from my collection:

9940 was built as no.416 in 1891, in 1935 it was converted to a camping coach and later transferred into departmental use as in this photo.

An unknown T49 at an unknown location, unfortunately a water column, signpost & lamp block part of the view but the two panels between the compartments and guards van are visible, thus distinguishing it from a U24.

9944 was also built in 1891 as 411 the rest of its history is similar to 9940 above, except that by the time the GWR diagram book was set up it had had its duckets removed and so became diagram T50. It has also had all of the panels plated over.

...these end-ducket 4-wheelers are a T diagram 31' brake 3rd, but the diagram number is unknown. (John Lewis might know.) Batch 582, completed 4/7/1891. Numbers were: 400/10/1/3/4/6/9/20/2/7/9/42/4/53/61-4/75/6. There might have been a pre-1890 batch(es), but I don't have that info. You already have probably the best broadside view - figure 59 of GW Coaches Volume 1. See also fig 45 for another 3/4 view. I think the Ratio sides would cut up fine, as the compartment widths are standard as far as I know - the only problem is the lack of panelling detail on the sides of the Ratio duckets.

...Now, thanks to the Didcot example, we can call it a T49 rather than just a T? The duckets then arose as a secondary issue. For most cases, I think you can probably get away with the over-simplistic duckets on the Ratio brake, but here, they are rather exposed at the ends and, as others have suggested, the Ratio ones may not be up to scratch.

In addition to the numbers given by Miss Prism there were a further 15 T49s built in 1894 to lot 700, nos. 2601-15.

There were also 2 other designs of similar 4 wheel coaches with duckets at the end, the T32 and U25. T32 details were:

U25 was a composite, the compartment nearest the gauge being first class. U25 details were:

There were 3 associated diagrams for those coaches which had the duckets removed: T33, T50 & U24. The duckets were removed from some coaches between 1910 and 1920, but I'm not sure of the exact dates.

In time I will be adding more details of GWR short coaches to my website, but at the moment the information is limited to the early Metro style coaches which time appears to have forgotten.