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Porth Eithin Railway (China Clay) Page 1

By trains12, December 22, 2009
Porth Eithin Railway (China Clay)

by trains12

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??? posted on Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:04 pm

This is a new thread from me. It is my China Clay line called Porth Eithin. Some of you will no doubt have seen or heard of it. It has over the last five years been to a number of shows around North Wales and the North West of England. It also has appeared in Model Rail and on the Model Rail C/Ds.
Any way it is based on the harbour of a small branch line terminus where the china clay is brought down from the mines for either shipment by sea of rail. The idea being that the line to the mines is further up the branch with no direct access down the branch to the main lines, so all traffic to or from the mines most first come into the branch terminus? This allows engine run rounds on freight traffic up to the mines.
The period that the time was set was the end of steam and the green diesel era. But at one show just recent it round in modern day.
The reason that I have stared this new thread is that it is to be extended by an addition of 12ft to encompass the line at the mine /quarry end. I most admit that this has been the intention to do this from the start but like everything else time and other projects have come between its starting. What has pushed me to start it has been Wheal Elisabeth by Ugly pug, mainly that drying shed. It has given me the kick start to the project even through Great Tunsley Dale is not finished yet nor is Kinmundy for Martin Wales.
The theory is that it will be a stand alone layout with its own fiddle yard or can go out with Porth Eithin to create a long layout of some 28ft. ( Wendy says I should build a small layout that I can carry under my arm. No fun in that) Any way over the next few weeks will post the new design for the track plan but in the mean time here are some shots of the layout as it is today.
Peter

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Comment posted by London cambrian on cambrian on Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:40 pm

I like!
Any chance of some more shots?

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:09 pm

trains12 wrote:
yet nor is Kinmundy for Martin Wales.
Peter

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Comment posted by Suddaby on Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:19 pm

""What has pushed me to start it has been Wheal Elisabeth by Ugly pug......................""

I know he's no oil painting, but that's a little harsh!

Kevin
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:29 pm

If you won't tell him, neither will I!!
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Comment posted by ullypug on Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:27 pm

Good luck with this by the way.
I thought it looked really good in Model Rail. I hope I can catch up with it sometime.

Cheers
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??? posted on Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:51 pm

As requested, here are some more photos of Porth Eithin taken by Jamie (7apt7?) at Llanberis show earlier this year when the layout was being operated in Modern Image mode. Sorry to ullypug for getting your username wrong!

Cheers Peter

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Great Tunsley Dale Page 5

By trains12, December 22, 2009
Great Tunsley Dale

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??? posted on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:13 am

Hi Gareth,
Thanks for the comments
No we have no small plan of the layout but it is 28ft long by 10 ft 6" wide. The main plan is 28ft long for the track layout but a small plan is something that we most do so that it can be posted. Diesels will be run on the layout, the running period is from steam days to present day. Class 20's, 31's, 37's, 40's, 45's, 47's, 56's, 59's, 60's, 66's and the small industrial shunters and 08's wiil be run.
Paul is in charge of the stock side so he is the best one to tell what is what and when it is running.
Peter
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??? posted on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:22 pm

Hi all,
Despite the yucky weather outside , Peter and Paul (no Mary!) have finally managed to get all the boards bar one up in the unit workshop today. Here are a few photos of the boards. We also discovered that the alignment of the end corner boards to the the fiddle yard boards is running half inch out. Not bad considering that it has been built individually and this is the first time we have managed to assemble the layout with both corner end boards. That did involve shuffling the layout up by about 2 foot to allow us to build the corner end boards over the existing shop counter.

Aerial view of the lower sidings looking towards the site of the main loader

Corner end boards with last board linking to the fiddle yard board to be inserted. Cliff faces, track and tunnel yet to be built.

Track level view along sidings leading towards what will become the Buxton Lime Firms works off to the right

Looking from BLF sidings towards main line tunnel with quarry sidings and lines passing through cutting beyond

Looking towards lower sidings with limestone cliffs dominating the background

Hopefully by the end of next week, the main running lines through to the fiddle yard will be laid and wired and then we can try and run a train around for the first time! Watch this space.

Cheers Peter and Paul
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Comment posted by dyserthroad on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:26 pm

Looking good, very impressive.
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:28 pm

Wow. This has come along so much since my visit a few weeks ago! When do you envisage having something running?
BL
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??? posted on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:58 pm

Hi Dave,
Hoping to have something running next weekend, but since the unit roof needs repairing (leaking in ) it might be just after that. Plus I need to link all the wires across the board joins for the mainline track feeds and cross my fingers!!!

Cheers Peter
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??? posted on Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:52 pm

Hi All
Just back from the unit. The final board is now in place and doweled in place cork down ready for the final track laying tomorrow. Am jut finishing (letting glue dry) the carcass of the control pannel for the fiddle yard. hope tonight to start the wiring up of this before it is fitted to the layout.

Cheers Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:42 pm

Looking highly impressive Pete
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??? posted on Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:45 pm

Hi All
Well its done . The final length of track has been laid today and GTD has track all the way round. Now after 7 months of work on the layout it is hoped that within the next few days we will have a engine running round. But what will it be An 8F, 9F, Class 60, 66 or a 37 in Green Let me know what it should be. There is still a lot to do now, Finnish the wireing connect the point motors. Finnish the controll panels before a start on the flocking of the layout. But with the track fininshed its is now looking like a layout.

Cheers Peter

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:31 pm

Excellent work Mister Midwinter. Were the reclaimed points okay?

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:34 pm

Excellent work indeed Paul. And very inpressive too!
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??? posted on Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:05 pm

pharrc20 wrote:
Excellent work Mister Midwinter. Were the reclaimed points okay?

Cheers Paul
Hi Master Paul
Yes OK but had to alter the mirror image because the crossings on the curve comming into the yard are the opposite way round to the other side. Have used a further 3 way and large y instead of some of the straights. Window on the roof has been done today will be tyding up tomorrow then full steam ahead. When or you down next. How about an openday at the unit 26/27 July so that we can (in Wendys words ) play toy trains. The more the merrier martine , Dave, Neil, Ken and the rest of you.

Cheers Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:32 pm

Hi

All
Just a quick update. Working on the electrics to try and have a engine running around the main line on Sat. but forgot that I had a medical appointment today so have lost some time Never mind working on the fiddle yard control pannel on the dining table at home.See pict, below. Dose any one know if someone makes crash barriers in 4 mm scale. Ta.
Cheers Peter.
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Comment posted by saizei on Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:19 pm

it should be a class 66 with heavy hauls looking good keep up the good work
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:24 pm

I can muster a FLH 66/5 or 66/6 with CAIB PGAs (aka rustbuckets!!) and add 4 HHAs to the rake to sort of represent the early Dowlow-Cottam flow. Until some nice RTR manufacturer does the HIAs then we are a bit stuck.

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by nevardmedia on Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:46 pm

Seriously impressive BIG modelling! This will be one to kep an eye out for if it's destined to get out on the road from time to time
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:35 pm

Very Impressive Peter! Did you want a hand tommorrow then?
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??? posted on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:17 pm

Martin
Sent a pm but it is stuck in out box. Will be at unit from 10-00am till about 2-00pm
See you
Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:42 pm

nevardmedia wrote:
Seriously impressive BIG modelling! This will be one to kep an eye out for if it's destined to get out on the road from time to time
Hi Chris
Thanks for the comments. It has been built as the new exhibition layout to replace my old Bxworth Sidings layout which was retired some years ago. The only problem is that the one show it was book for has been cancelled so we are on the lookout for some shows to take it to. It is 28ft by 10.5ft wide. if there is anyone out there who would like it just drop us a line. It will now be completed by Oct at the latest this year.
Regards Peter
Ps Love your layouts.
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:06 am

trains12 wrote:
Martin
Sent a pm but it is stuck in out box. Will be at unit from 10-00am till about 2-00pm
See you
Peter
Cheers!
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Comment posted by Pitbull1845 on Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:21 pm

Looking good Peter, the trackwork looks very impressive.. as does the rest of the layout of course... I'm sure there will be plenty of interest for shows...
Scott
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:47 pm

I dropped by to visit Peter earlier on to see the completed extent of the layout and the photos don't really do the the layout justice-fantastic!
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??? posted on Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:23 pm

Hi all,
Just a quick update as to what has gone on this last week. I have not been able to complete all the connections on the electrics due to a few problems at home ( leaking roof after the heavy rains) and having the new roof windows done at last at the unit which curtailed me working there for two day (H&S) Any way work now well under way on the electrics. Hope to have it operational by weekend on the main circuit. Have also done some work on the building for the South Works.
Paul and I have decided to hold a open day down at the unit on the Sat. 26th July when all will be welcome. So please come along and see us.
Regards Peter.

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Comment posted by saizei on Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:31 am

wow that fiddle yard is bigger than my whole layout lol, wish i had the space for a fiddle yard that size lol. keep up the good work,

P.S you should make a video of it when its up and running
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Comment posted by Phil on Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:08 am

trains12 wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick update as to what has gone on this last week. I have not been able to complete all the connections on the electrics due to a few problems at home ( leaking roof after the heavy rains) and having the new roof windows done at last at the unit which curtailed me working there for two day (H&S) Any way work now well under way on the electrics. Hope to have it operational by weekend on the main circuit. Have also done some work on the building for the South Works.
Paul and I have decided to hold a open day down at the unit on the Sat. 26th July when all will be welcome. So please come along and see us.
Regards Peter.
Hi Peter
A very impressive layout indeed.

Not sure if you've run the first train, but if you havn't it can only be an 8F.

As for the open day date - do you realise it clashes with another event in RMweb land ? Chasewater

Cheers
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Comment posted by TomB on Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:23 am

This looks awesome, i cant wait to see more progress.
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Waterley Cross 7mm Layout Page 1

By trains12, December 22, 2009
Waterley Cross 7mm Layout

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??? posted on Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:53 pm

Hi All
This is a layout that four of us have re made from three baseboards which have been loane to use. When they were obtained they had some track and some very dubious electrics. The four of us Paul Harrison, Gerry Partridge, Brian Carpenter and myself stripped the whole down and rebuilt the whole other than some of the original trackwork.These shots are the end reuslts. It is intended in the near future to futher extend the layout by about a further 8ft.
Enjoy
Peter

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??? posted on Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:45 pm

Hi All
I messed up yesterday in trying to correct an error and ended up deleteing the photos , so here they are again
Peter

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Comment posted by 3 link on Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:47 pm

Hi Pete, very nice it certainly has alot of potential, how long is the layout overall at present? Obviously your lucky enough to have the space required. Regards Martyn.
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??? posted on Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:39 pm

3 link wrote:
Hi Pete, very nice it certainly has alot of potential, how long is the layout overall at present? Obviously your lucky enough to have the space required. Regards Martyn.
Hi Martyn
The scenic part ot the layout is 13ft. 6in. long with fiddle yard 6ft long.

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Re: Waterley Cross 7mm Layout on Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:02 pm

I saw this excellent layout in operation at Hazel Grove last October and was seriously contemplating copying just the station end board (photo below) as a microlayout. Passenger and freight facilities, it has it all on a "pointless" single baseboard.

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Comment posted by jazz on Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:55 pm

trains12 wrote:
3 link wrote:
Hi Pete, very nice it certainly has alot of potential, how long is the layout overall at present? Obviously your lucky enough to have the space required. Regards Martyn.

Hi Martyn
The scenic part ot the layout is 13ft. 6in. long with fiddle yard 6ft long. Very nice layout.

Interesting that it is the exact same lemght as my Pen Y Cwm withe exception my fiddle yard is 4' and a max witdth of 17".
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:13 am

Excellent work Pete! I remember the boards as delivered to the unit!
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Great Tunsley Dale Page 14

By trains12, December 22, 2009
Great Tunsley Dale

by trains12

original page on Old RMweb
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Comment posted by david_ford_85 on Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:12 am

Superb!! I love how small that Class 66 looks in the second to last shot.

David
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??? posted on Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:02 pm

Hi All
Have a few major problems on these dam points and a further short in one of the sections. Any one local to us at Nantlle that can help. I have only two weeks before the show at Hazel Grove and at this point I feel like puting an axe to it
Peter
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??? posted on Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:29 am

Hi all
Just wondering if any of you have come up with any more signalling for the layout have now started to place the signal that Dave drew up for me at the South works end. Will over the next few weeks try to obtain the parts to make these , that is when have time. At present sorting out stock for the show much of which will have to be weathered. Matto, Martin any offers. There is about 300 engines & wagons to do.
Peter
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:52 pm

Happy to help with the weathering if needed.

BL
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Comment posted by beast66606 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:02 pm

trains12 wrote:
Hi all
Just wondering if any of you have come up with any more signalling for the layout have now started to place the signal that Dave drew up for me at the South works end. Will over the next few weeks try to obtain the parts to make these , that is when have time. At present sorting out stock for the show much of which will have to be weathered. Matto, Martin any offers. There is about 300 engines & wagons to do.
Peter
I will try and finish the others this week Peter
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Comment posted by 7APT7 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:24 pm

Hi Peter, Very nice pictures of the Talysarn weekend setup...of the Great Tunsley Dale Layout. Just hope you can iron all the teething problems out between now and then...Doh...! Not enough hours in your day is there...! Shame about the brake at the end of the day when packing it all away, still all mended now that Paul dropped...! Ha-ha... O... No... You said you dropped...Peter! Sorry Paul you just seem to get the blame for everything it looks like. Nice Work Though! Looking forward to seeing it when it???‚¬?„?s finished and hope you get some recognition for it at a show for it in the future...whichever that ends up showing at....!
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:18 am

Bangor Lad wrote:
Happy to help with the weathering if needed.

BL
Same here-A mutually agreeable time perhaps?
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:40 pm

MartinWales wrote:
Bangor Lad wrote:
Happy to help with the weathering if needed.

BL

Same here-A mutually agreeable time perhaps? Good idea. I'll try and keep an eye out for any updates.

BL
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Comment posted by yamahadrums on Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:06 pm

Hi Pete, Jamie & Martin....
hope all went really well this weekend. Mighty impressive layout.
Just for you Pete a shot of Llangollen...
See you soon.
J.

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Great Tunsley Dale Page 13

By trains12, December 22, 2009
Great Tunsley Dale

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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:18 am

Great photos.

The buildings look very much at home on the layout, superb modelling. Really like the NR 37s passing by!
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??? posted on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:59 pm

18B wrote:
great_rocks_sbd.jpg cropped.jpghopefully.jpg

hi,

here's the box in 2002 more how you;ve done it, notice however that the steps are the origional design where as yours as from the refurbishment as the box looks now,

The frame in great rocks is 34 levers long and at the back of the box, the token machine is near to the door on the back side, on the back wall there is also a little window looking out onto the three sidings at the back.

Note that in those sidings freightliner have been known to use them to stable engines,

The signal box diagram is virtually as is now, but has been redone as the signal on the other side of the bridge, 18, 17, 34, has been changed to a single arm and two dollies, anyone know why this was done, circa 1982/4ish?
Hi 18B
Many thanks for the shot of the box before 2002.We have been looking for a clear shot for some time. What was intresting to note was that the frame was at the back of the box. It is one of the boxes in the area that I have not been in. The model has now had its roof fitted and the flocking on that board has been completed. I will post some shots in the next day or so. Could you help me? On page 10 of the thread is the track plan, could you advise on the signalling needed for it especially going over the cross over at South Jct (Great Rocks) and then into the yard. It is one area that I am not to well up on.
Peter
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Comment posted by 18B on Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:11 am

Morning

Signalling is a nightmare, a few things have been changed at Great Rocks,

the problem I can see with the crossover in front of the box is that because of the bridge it would make signal sighting difficult, to get around this either the signal would have to be on the other side of the bridge, or a co-acting double signal which could be seen from low down and from the other side of the bridge, not many (if any) of these type exist today.

Are you wanting coour lights though? for probably under resignalling it would have been replaced the other side of the bridge, whilst exiting the yard would simple ground position lights.

hope that helps
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Comment posted by 18B on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:32 am

Given that Great Rocks. Peak Forest & Buxton etc are semaphore signals will Great Tunsley Dale also be semaphore?
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Comment posted by beast66606 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:39 am

Peter,

the flat roof on GRJ was a 1980s modification after - I think - its second fire, I think it was flat roofed prior to that after a 1970s fire, for steam era I *think* it was still a standard MR structure.

Signalling doesn't look a problem - if you want me to draw some diagrams I would be happy to help, and you know I've been interested in signalling for a mere 30+ years
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Comment posted by 18B on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:49 am

The only problem with signalling a plan is the plethora of different ideas that are come up with.

Take the first question, how would you signal to line from out of the bridge in front of the model representing Great Rocks signal box? there's the facing crossover and line into the quarry?
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Comment posted by beast66606 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:57 am

18B wrote:
The only problem with signalling a plan is the plethora of different ideas that are come up with.

Take the first question, how would you signal to line from out of the bridge in front of the model representing Great Rocks signal box? there's the facing crossover and line into the quarry?
I would agree that a number of different plans are possible, but the one thing that can be said is whats wrong, there are many "rights" in signalling - I have mused this with several friends who share the same fascination for signalling, one is GWR, one is LNER, I am LNWR/LMS/BR(LMR), one is a Network Rail signal design manager and we all agree - we know when it's wrong but there are plenty of rights, which is why I generally provide a generic (LNWR biased) plan when asked, for model purposes it's generally good enough anyway.

I will take a look at the whole layout if Peter wants me to - happy to discuss bits and bobs of the design then
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Comment posted by 18B on Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:04 pm

I will take a look at the whole layout if Peter wants me to - happy to discuss bits and bobs of the design then
just wondered about the signal adjacent the box, for me it was semaphore it would either have to be a co-acting signal which could be seen from cab level once the box side of the bridge and a high set to be seen before the bridge, either that or the whole signal would be placed the other side the bridge?

What the configuration?
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??? posted on Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:17 pm

18B wrote:
I will take a look at the whole layout if Peter wants me to - happy to discuss bits and bobs of the design then

just wondered about the signal adjacent the box, for me it was semaphore it would either have to be a co-acting signal which could be seen from cab level once the box side of the bridge and a high set to be seen before the bridge, either that or the whole signal would be placed the other side the bridge?

What the configuration? Hi Dave and 18B
Yes if either of you can help with the signalling it would be a great help.Working away all hours at present trying to complete it all for the Sept. 27th set up at Tal-y=Sarn. Have one main problem area some points into and out of the main hopper sidings . Just cannot find the short and why they dont work Just got ot finish paint the South Works and The main hopper buildings. Most of the flocking will be finished tomorrow. Then some more detailing over the weekend. After that it is just finish the layouts on the control panels.
Then it is all the weathering of the stock to do. Iam tempted to do what a custermer some years ago did. I was in the shop showing another modeller some wagons that had been weatherd when this he asked what it was. So it was stated that they had been weathered. Anyway about six weeks later he came in saying he did not think much of weathering stock as it was now rusted up and the engines did not work. You guessed it. He had placed three new Bachmann engines on the up stairs window sill outside to let the weather do its job.
Anyway here are a few more shots of the south box.

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:03 pm

Peter,

I'm away at Farnborough show this weekend, I will have a doodle next week unless something else appears in the meantime..
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Comment posted by 18B on Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:21 pm

Hi

just noticed, in Railway Modeller April 1986 there's a picture of great Rocks and a short article on modelling the area.

RE: the rights and wrongs of signalling, it probably would be considered right that the whilst the section signal to Peak Forest shows a red, Peak's distant (directly below it) shines a bright yellow. Thus two aspects are shown together. Even when The section is off and shows a green, if Peak clear their Distant it too shows a green. i.e. TWO greens on the same post.

At Pinxton this arrangement also existed but the green lense was painted black so when Pinxton cleared their Section signal it went from red to black but then Sleight's East's distant would illuminate yellow, if it was cleared it would show a green. thus only one aspect was shown at one time, unlikeb Peak and Great Rocks where two can be seen on the same post.
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:32 am

The signal box looks very nice indeed especially now sitting in position. I can just imagine a triple grey 60 trundling passed on the Buxton Lime JGAs.......
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Comment posted by beast66606 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:44 am

Peter,

Do you have a larger version of the main track plan showing signal box locations ? - (fiddle yard not needed) - need to look at what you have and start splitting the plan into box control areas.
Can you clarify if you want semaphore or colour lights or mostly semaphore with the odd colour light or mostly colour light with the odd semaphore.

cheers,
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Comment posted by Gravy Train on Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:07 am

Hi Peter,
May i congratulate you on some really fine Architectural modelling, the subject makes all the difference i don't know how i have missed this thread but will follow it with interest and it is encouraging to know that someone else likes modelling buildings/Architecture and the like.
keep up the splended work.

cheers Peter L.
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??? posted on Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:14 am

beast66606 wrote:
Peter,

Do you have a larger version of the main track plan showing signal box locations ? - (fiddle yard not needed) - need to look at what you have and start splitting the plan into box control areas.
Can you clarify if you want semaphore or colour lights or mostly semaphore with the odd colour light or mostly colour light with the odd semaphore.

cheers,
Hi Dave
Attached plan marked with the three signal boxes in blue . We are going to use all semaphore at this stage as nearly all signals there are still semaphores. Also we will be running it in both steam and then Modern Image eras.
Many thanks
Peter

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??? posted on Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:25 am

Gravy Train wrote:
Hi Peter,
May i congratulate you on some really fine Architectural modelling, the subject makes all the difference i don't know how i have missed this thread but will follow it with interest and it is encouraging to know that someone else likes modelling buildings/Architecture and the like.
keep up the splended work.

cheers Peter L.
Hi Peter
Many thanks for your comments. I am glad that you like it so far. If you can make it to North Wales on Sunday 27th Sept. to Talysarn this month the layout will be up and hopefully running to test it before its first show at Hazel Grove in October. The last few items , mainly the two large buildings the hopper and the south works are just in paining now. If you can make it or for that matter any one else ( it is an open house day even give a cup of tea/coffee and a biscut)and need directions just drop a line and I will post some.
Cheers Peter
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Comment posted by beast66606 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:40 pm

Peter,

I have numbered the boxes 1, 2 and 3 - left to right

Here's No.3 - the easy one, will need tweaking when I do the others

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Comment posted by 18B on Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:42 pm

beast66606 wrote:
Peter,

I have numbered the boxes 1, 2 and 3 - left to right

Here's No.3 - the easy one, will need tweaking when I do the others

peteno3.JPG
Hi, like the signalling diagram, just to add, to make things slightly easier modelling wise, you could as has been done here use grounds discs for the shunt moves. Even on the mainline signal the sub for the yard has been replaced by two ground discs out here, up until the early 80's it was two smaller arms on the same post as the main signal.
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??? posted on Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:24 pm

Hi all
Just a small update on the progress. Still have not found the fault on the four points.Most of the flocking has been completed just two areas to do this week.Detailing is now in hand. Just the two large buildings to finish paint which is in hand now.Should all be ready to try it all out week this Sunday at Ta-y-sarn.
Peter

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??? posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:33 pm

hi All just a few more shots of the to-date.
Peter

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:50 am

Peter,

have you noticed the signalling plan I have posted - above - I want to make sure you are happy with the simple one before I spend time on the more complex areas ?
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??? posted on Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:06 am

beast66606 wrote:
Peter,

have you noticed the signalling plan I have posted - above - I want to make sure you are happy with the simple one before I spend time on the more complex areas ?
Hi Dave
yes it is fine. Thank you. Still working flat out to have it all ready for the 27th but still cant find the problem on the points.
peter
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Comment posted by beast66606 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:20 am

Is it the end with the diamond ? - if so then I would check that carefully.
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??? posted on Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:41 pm

Hi all
Well after a rather hectic weekend I am just gettinbg back to normal. We manage to sort out many problems but those dam points are still not working right. I am using seep PM4s with the switch on the and I think that on some of them there is not enough throw on the blades to allow the switch to make contact to the frog. Will now fit either a Peco switch or a small micro switch onto the point motor to power the frog.
I was also a smashing time on Monday (see photo) but that has now been repaired from all the bits.
Am still in the dog house due to the fact that the Sunday was my youngest doughters 18th Any way took the all night for a good meal.
Below are a number of shots taken over the three days Hope they are OK. Looking to start booking the layout into some shows now. Warley next year chaps???
See you at Hazel Grove 24/25th Oct.
Peter

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??? posted on Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:58 pm

Hi all
Here are some more of the shots taken when setting up on the Sat. evening.

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Comment posted by branchie on Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:04 pm

Fantastic Peter - truely awesome modelling! I'm looking forward to seeing it finished.

Might see you in September at Tal y Sarn if I can arrange a few spare hours.

Christian.
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:08 pm

branchie wrote:
Might see you in September at Tal y Sarn if I can arrange a few spare hours.
Christian.
May even be able to give you a lift!
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Comment posted by 7APT7 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:02 am

Hi Peter, Sorry I have been away for a couple of weeks, and I have to say that the building work that has been carried out since I last saw the Layout in great, it looks.... Fantastic, nice to see the extra Pictures, its slowly coming along, hopefully I will be at the Talysarn to help out where I can. Keep up the great work, has it just gets better and better each time new Picture have been up loaded...!
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Comment posted by branchie on Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:24 am

MartinWales wrote:
branchie wrote:
Might see you in September at Tal y Sarn if I can arrange a few spare hours.
Christian.

May even be able to give you a lift! Now there's an offer Mr Jones!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:59 pm

Coming on nicely now. The new building fits in well at the front of the layout. I hope to see the progress and more when I visit towards the end of the month.
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??? posted on Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:10 pm

Hi all
Work is progressing on the buildings but due to the weather I have not been able to do the bulk of the spraying out side . I hope to do this this weekend. I Hope!
Coming to a plea for help now. Dose any one out there in our fellow members know if there ever was any form of watering facilities for BR steam engines at Tunstead Quarries and if so what was it i.e. water crane or a tank. If not did engines have to go to Peakforrest to water. On the layout during steam days operations it is intended to stable steam trains in a short siding by the main storage yards and I am thinking of puting in a water crane?
If anyone knows or has any comments on the placing of this please feel to say.
Peter
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Comment posted by Rammy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:36 pm

Your modelling is absolutely fantastic!
Can't wait to see this progress.
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Comment posted by 18B on Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:19 am

Hi Peter,

Have you seen this months (September) issue of Model Rail, has Peak forest as it's inspiration for a layout,
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??? posted on Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:57 am

18B wrote:
Hi Peter,

Have you seen this months (September) issue of Model Rail, has Peak forest as it's inspiration for a layout,
Hi 18b
I haven???‚¬?„?t got my mag yet. Must go and get it from the village today. GTD is not only an exhibition layout but is designed to be part of a new layout that I am building at my home and Railway Study centre here in North Wales. The new shed when its is built (hopefully next year) will be 65ft long by 25 ft wide and along one wall will be GTD representing Tunstead then Peak Forest followed by Gowhole sidings. Within the shed will also be my other exhibition layouts Porth Eithin, Porth Penhryn, Isaf Wheal (under construction now) and the remains of my old layout (no name) plus many other bits of odd layouts that I have made. A lot of track work i.e. points has all ready been made together with buildings, like the station buildings of Kyle. There is a large coal mine complex which I have to finish of one day. But for the time being I a have to finish GTD for the show circuit this year and next. Would love to take it to some of the big shows like Warley, York, and Manchester etc. Can only hope that I get some invites. In the mean time it is at Hazel grove show which is a great show with a lot of trendily guys. And a great atmosphere.

Peter
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??? posted on Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:58 am

18B wrote:
Hi Peter,

Have you seen this months (September) issue of Model Rail, has Peak forest as it's inspiration for a layout,
Hi 18b
I haven???‚¬?„?t got my mag yet. Must go and get it from the village today. GTD is not only an exhibition layout but is designed to be part of a new layout that I am building at my home and Railway Study centre here in North Wales. The new shed when its is built (hopefully next year) will be 65ft long by 25 ft wide and along one wall will be GTD representing Tunstead then Peak Forest followed by Gowhole sidings. Within the shed will also be my other exhibition layouts Porth Eithin, Porth Penhryn, Isaf Wheal (under construction now) and the remains of my old layout (no name) plus many other bits of odd layouts that I have made. A lot of track work i.e. points has all ready been made together with buildings, like the station buildings of Kyle. There is a large coal mine complex which I have to finish of one day. But for the time being I a have to finish GTD for the show circuit this year and next. Would love to take it to some of the big shows like Warley, York, and Manchester etc. Can only hope that I get some invites. In the mean time it is at Hazel grove show which is a great show with a lot of trendily guys. And a great atmosphere.

Peter
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??? posted on Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:08 pm

Hi all
Have finally sorted out the dates when we can have the hall at Tal -y -Sarn to set up the layout and check it all out. They are:-

Sat. 26th September setting it up about 6.oopm in the evening till around 10.00pm.
Sunday 27th from about 9.00am till about 5.00pm will be operating and sorting out any problems and trying to work out how to run a schedual?
Monday 28th from about 9.00 till lunch time running and the stripping it down ( if I have not already chop it up for firewood )and takeing it down to the unit.
If any of you want to come down and see the fun! and the attempts at operateing you are most welcome We can evenoffer you a cup of tea or coffee.Might even get a biscuit . Now thats an offer you cant refuse.
Let us know if you are comming and want directions.
Peter
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Comment posted by 7APT7 on Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:50 pm

Hi Peter, That's great mate, I???‚¬?„?ll try and arrange it so my Dad & Brother can come down as well to see the layout, and have a look at how hard...Doh...Easy it is at working it, and mainly to get some ideas for when I or should I say You start my Layout which is yet to be named, and more importantly..... Started....Doh...! Once there???‚¬?„?s room in the shop to start doing it...!

Look forward to being at the Talysarn show...!
Can I put my biscuit order in now..... Jammy Dodgers or Custard Creams....? Cheers
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??? posted on Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:40 pm

Hi all
Just a quick update. With the weather like it is have spent most of the time working on the main building models. Today I have made a small cyclone unit for the vertical lime kilns and done some paint of small parts on it. I have also finished the roof and painted it on the Dale Lime firms building as well as building a ventilation fan housing and motor for the flat roof on the building. In the background of one of the shots can be seen the large hopper building which I messed up on the brickwork and had to strip the paint off. Serves me right for doing it at Midnight tired and wrong colour of paint Next morning Ugh. Also can be seen the three round silos which have been built as one unit and just need a few small touches to complete.
All going at this point to plan and on time for the trial erection on the 26th Sept. at Tal -y- sarn. Hope to see some of you on the Sunday.
Peter.

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Comment posted by branchie on Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:46 pm

Hope you've got planning permission for all those buildings Peter?
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:34 am

Stunning. Top class!

I look forward to seeing photos of the buildings in place, that will be impressive.
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Comment posted by Trainsrgr8 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:41 am

Stunning Moddeling! Looks really good!

Danny
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??? posted on Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:50 pm

Hi all
Just aquick update. Most of the work last week has been on completing the buildings, painting them and weathering. The layout has had a lot more of the scenery done to it and fitting of new plugs and sockets on the fiddle yard boards has started. Will post some new pictures early in week. One thing that I am doing is painting the small diesel shunter that I started sone time ago and a felow member said I was spoiling the layout by putting on a freelance diesel ( it is based on a real one). It had been put into the scrap box but a few of my friends here have pursuaded meto finish it in a nice deep blue livery suitably weathered.

Peter
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??? posted on Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:48 pm

Hi All
Well as stated here are some of the shots of the progress of items to date.
The small shunter is being painted in a deep blue and then will be weathered some that it can either be used on GTD or Porth Eithin the china clay layout.
The shots of the last fan vent and chimney for the Vertical lime kilns
And also the steel frame work for the stairs up the side of the lime kilns.
Peter

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:58 pm

Wow Peter, the steelwork tower for those steps looks the business I guess that is why you have run out plastic sections!!

See you at weekend then!
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??? posted on Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:34 pm

Another pictorial update from wild Wales (weatherwise ). Jamie aka 7APT7 brought along some of his new rolling stock including the Model Rail Network Rail 97/3 aka 37 and some of his test coaches to place on the layout. Some of the buildings have now been positioned and the smaller huts and sheds have been glued down and bedded in to the scenery.

Don't forget September 27th at Talysarn Village Hall to see the layout working!
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??? posted on Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:22 pm

Hi all
Just a couple of shots on the progress todate. Other work that has been completed this week is all the new connectors on the fiddle yard have been soldered up. A lot of the flocking on the other bords has been completed as well as the large cutting in to the tunnel. The inn on the top road has nearly been finnished just wants the outhouse weathering. The down side is that we have a short on the points into the main hopper roads and we cannot find it
The three shots are of the signal box at the south works junction. This is based on Great Rocks box and when complete will have the flat roof that Great Rocks box was fitted with after the fire in the roof a number of years ago.
Peter.

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Comment posted by 18B on Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:03 pm

OMG

How crazy is it to be sat inside Great rocks Signal Box right now looking at a superb model of it!

It's excellent, Looking forward to seeing the flat roof on top, donl;t forget the smoking chimney for the old stove that used to be in here,

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Comment posted by 18B on Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:09 pm

Hi

. How did you make the Tunsley Dale Central 'box?

Looks like a cut down Ratio kit?
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??? posted on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:14 pm

18B wrote:
Hi

. How did you make the Tunsley Dale Central 'box?

Looks like a cut down Ratio kit?
Hi 18B
Yes, the central box is half of a Ratio box. The worst part doing the roof. The south box again is a Ratio box modified. The third box, not shown yet, watch this space, is the full Ratio box. All have the Springside detailing kits fitted inside.
Have I missed anything off, will put dustbin outside as per your photo.

Peter
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Comment posted by 18B on Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:29 am

hi,

here's the box in 2002 more how you;ve done it, notice however that the steps are the origional design where as yours as from the refurbishment as the box looks now,

The frame in great rocks is 34 levers long and at the back of the box, the token machine is near to the door on the back side, on the back wall there is also a little window looking out onto the three sidings at the back.

Note that in those sidings freightliner have been known to use them to stable engines,

The signal box diagram is virtually as is now, but has been redone as the signal on the other side of the bridge, 18, 17, 34, has been changed to a single arm and two dollies, anyone know why this was done, circa 1982/4ish?
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Comment posted by ChrisB on Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:21 pm

Fantastic!
It's great to see such an ambitious version of something we all tend to compress and water down..... out of necessity in most cases. The structures are extremely impressive.

Well done guys
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??? posted on Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:28 pm

pharrc20 wrote:
:thup Thats looking more like it Peter Any photos of the new Buxton Lime Firms building for the front of the layout?
Hi Paul
No still awaiting to be cut out. Have been doing some work on Kinmundy as you have problebly seen.
Have sort out the concrete texture for the bulding. A very fine glass paper that I found the other day in Stermats. When it is assembled will cover the walls with it and then spray it and rub talc into it to give the texture finish It should do the trick.
Will be away for a few days wendys mum illgoing to seeher.
Peter
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Comment posted by branchie on Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:28 pm

Looking good Peter!

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Comment posted by mines a pint on Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:01 pm

Looking superb now the scenery is coming together!
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??? posted on Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:59 pm

Hi all
Just a quick update. Have now most of the main yard working after having found a few problems on the track work where the copper clad has not been cut through completely. Two more of the hoppers have been painted an just need the lime stone dust (talc) dusting onto them . I have noticed that the hand rails around the top of one of them has not been fixed on. Most do this before I foreget. Still a lot of work to do but a lot will be done this wekend with a working party form Manchester coming down, ie Paul. and Jerry Next weekend. Any one is wellcome. The more the merry. On one of the shots can be seen Kinmundy ( The layout I am building for Martin(e)ops Wales, at the other side of the shop. Did I say shop its more a workshop and tip at present.
Peter.

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:20 pm

trains12 wrote:
Hi all
Martin(e)ops Wales
Peter.

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:48 pm

I'm spending the weekend with Peter and sorting some minor electrical problems out on Great Tunsley Dale. Today we sorted out the three-way point leading into the main quarry storage sidings followed by some work on points 2, 3, 4 & 5 leading from/to the main lines into the quarry reception sidings and at the other end of the layout points 51 & 52 and the associated power feeds. We managed to sort these points out and check some other points along the way. We will continue with some more points tomorrow before I head back home.
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:09 am

Inspection party en route!
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??? posted on Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:59 am

Hi All
Due to to sme family problems (Mother in law) little work has been done on GTD. What has been done is the small detailing items, like dummy point motors etc. One point that I was hopping that someone out there may be able to answer for me is when did the line side concrete trunking make an appearance. I kown that the late 50's earlier 60's the cables were hung on posts at the side of the line but at about what time did they start using the concrete trunking. We wish to use some of this on GTD but we are not sure of the correct time period that it came in. Is there anybody who can adivise on this. many thanks.
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Comment posted by bigswede on Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:52 pm

I love what you're doing on Great Tunsley Dale, it looks fantastic. There is a discussion of trunking going on over on Jim Smith Wright's P4 New Street thread, might be worth a look. I think it's on the main workbench thread.

Other than that I can be of no help whatsoever!
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??? posted on Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:32 pm

Hi all
Have been doing some more of the buildings on GTD and the following shots are of the Dale Limestone Firms Limited building. This is again based upon one of the builings in the area mainly the The Buxton Limestone building at Peak Forest. The usual method of construction Foamboard shell with added micro strip over the surface. It will be eventually painted with Weather Shield textured paint to represent concrete finish.
One of the items that I require for the model is some large thick letters silimar to the Slaters but those are not large enough. What is needed are letters about 15 mm high Slaters do G scale letters in a fancy design not plain these are only done up to 8mm high. Can anyone advise if any such letters exist.
Also still have not found out when concrete cable troughs came in to use.Can anyone advise on that, have looked at J.Smith-Wrights thread but cannot see any date when they were introduced.
Peter

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:42 pm

Nice photos of the BLF building. I spoke to Trevor M at club last night and he advised me that concrete troughing was certainly around in the 50s and 60s as he was on one of the projects at the time and that most of the north west troughs came from the concrete works at Newton Heath. So I think we can safely lay some troughing on the layout alongside the tracks.
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??? posted on Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:10 am

Hi all
Have been doing some work this last few days at home due to having no car (in for repairs) . Most of the work has been done on the main hopper building which is slowly being assembled from the major components. I have resolved the concrete problem by painting the surface with a rough texture weathershield using sample pots obtained by Paul in Manchester as the local B&Q don???‚¬?„?t have them in stock, anyway it looks good still needs to be toned down but I don???‚¬?„?t think it shows up well in the shots.
The small lime building that was last shown is now awaiting some large letters that Paul Dunn of Coopercraft is sorting out for me. Thank you for that Paul.
Still a long way to go but it is on time for the Hazel Grove show in October, but we will be having a trial set up at Tal-y-Sarn Hall in Early September. Anyone want to come and help feel free.

Peter
PS Sorry about the stae of the photos had the wrong setting.

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:38 am

trains12 wrote:
but we will be having a trial set up at Tal-y-Sarn Hall in Early September. Anyone want to come and help feel free.
Any ideas as to the date, Peter?
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Comment posted by Sixteen 12by 10s on Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:45 am

Painting concrete effect

Have you tried stippling stone, and lime colored emulsions, may be mix in a bit of filler to thicken

Gary
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??? posted on Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:48 pm

Sixteen 12by 10s wrote:
Painting concrete effect

Have you tried stippling stone, and lime colored emulsions, may be mix in a bit of filler to thicken

Gary
Hi Gary
No I have not tried that method most have a go one day.
Mean while letters arrived this lunch time and so have placed them on the small lime building and painted them with the textured paint. some here are a few shots.

Peter

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:56 pm

Those letters look good Peter, just the sort of thing that was needed! With some weathering and washing on that concrete grey both buildings should look superb!
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Comment posted by matto21 on Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:21 pm

That new building [slightly further up] is seriously impressive! Awesome!
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Comment posted by Garethp8873 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:23 pm

pharrc20 wrote:
Further to Peter's posting above, here are some of my photos I took of GTD when three of the baseboards were exhibited at the Llanberis show a few weeks ago. Obviously lots more work to do on the buildings and scenic side of things, but the addition of the wagons gives it a bit more depth and impression of scale. I am in charge of the freight rolling stock and already got a good fleet of 1950s/60s era ICI hopper wagons and 5-plank ICI opens, 1980s/90s ICI hoppers, 90s/00s PGA hoppers and JGA hoppers. Could do with some Freightliner HIAs, ex Nat Power JHAs and JMAs, and some EWS HOAs just for good measure (HOA future kit from Genesis?)
Amazing layout! Can you tell me how you got the ICI hoppers? What periods would they suit?

Garethp8873
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:39 pm

The ICI hoppers are the old kit that was once produced by High Peak Casters, which traded from a model shop near the market place in Buxton. They are quite basic and if I am honest crude compared to todays sort of resin models, but at the time they were all that was available. I have about 14 wagons of my own plus I look after a further 17 that belong to Hazel Grove & District MRS and they can be formed into a steam era 50s/60s rake and a 80s/90s rake depending on the colour scheme. The actual wagons can be used on layouts from 1936 to 1997 inclusive with lots of changes of motive power along the way starting with a 4F and finishing with a pair of 37s. There are no current models available in OO but there is/was a kit in N gauge by Ian Stoate Models and in O gauge a brass kit by Uncommon Kits. There have been numerous proposals for OO kits in the last ten years most of which haven't made it to production for one reason or another.

HTH Paul
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Comment posted by Garethp8873 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:41 pm

pharrc20 wrote:
The ICI hoppers are the old kit that was once produced by High Peak Casters, which traded from a model shop near the market place in Buxton. They are quite basic and if I am honest crude compared to todays sort of resin models, but at the time they were all that was available. I have about 14 wagons of my own plus I look after a further 17 that belong to Hazel Grove & District MRS and they can be formed into a steam era 50s/60s rake and a 80s/90s rake depending on the colour scheme. The actual wagons can be used on layouts from 1936 to 1997 inclusive with lots of changes of motive power along the way starting with a 4F and finishing with a pair of 37s. There are no current models available in OO but there is/was a kit in N gauge by Ian Stoate Models and in O gauge a brass kit by Uncommon Kits. There have been numerous proposals for OO kits in the last ten years most of which haven't made it to production for one reason or another.

HTH Paul
Thanks for your info, dosen't Cambrian do that hopper at all?

Garethp8873.
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:56 pm

They do the ballast hoppers like the Whale and Walrus but those are different bodyshape completely. I did actually scratchbuild some bodies of my own some years ago to use on some spare resin chassis I had been given and once I'd got the hang of the angles and sizes then I managed to make a reasonable looking body and these three became part of the steam era rake. I don't think I have any photos of them but could get some taken to show you.
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Comment posted by 18B on Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:26 pm

Excellent layout peter.

RE: the signalling, if you have a track plan i could have a go at putting the rightsignals in the right place?

Alex
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??? posted on Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:33 pm

18B wrote:
Excellent layout peter.

RE: the signalling, if you have a track plan i could have a go at putting the rightsignals in the right place?

Alex
Hi Alex
The track plan can be seen on page 9 and 10 if you would like to have a go.
Peter.
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??? posted on Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:21 pm

Hi all
I have taken some of the buildings down to the layout to see how they fit. The main hopper building has now had its roof finished and the clock that is a main feature on the real building has been installed but today I noted that I have not fitted the hands to it. still reckon that I have about 40 hours work left to complete all buildings which is ready within the next three weeks. Main layout work is nearly complete on the three control panels just the point switchs to install. After that it is just to complete the last of the scinics.
Peter.

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Comment posted by James95 on Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:24 pm

Cheers Peter , Extremly Interesting

James
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Comment posted by Botface on Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:55 pm

Found this very interesting and inspiring, great work, keep going
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Comment posted by 7APT7 on Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:42 pm

Hi Peter, Can't wait to see the finished Layout in full working order, it would be great to see more pictures of the layout as and when they are available, and to see its progression slowly developing as time goes by. Keep up the good work... it looks superb... from the photos so far! Thanks
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??? posted on Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:01 am

Hi all
Thanks to Jamie attached is a better plan of the layout showing the position of many of the buildings. work is still ongoing on some of the replacement wiring and alterations to the layout but have had a few other jobs to do of late so not much time has been spent on the main layout.

Does any one know if you can obtain Nem Pockets. It is just the pockets that I am after so that some of the stock can have buck eyes fitted which we have with the nem fitting on them. Hope some one can help.

With luck the first outing to a large show will be Hazel Grove show at the end of October this year. So I will have to get my skates on and complete it by then.

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Comment posted by James95 on Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:01 pm

Cheers Peter, much better for understanding now
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:07 pm

Peter

I'm pretty sure that Roger Chivers sells the NEM pockets separately from his kits

Worth contacting him?
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Comment posted by Ravenser on Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:42 pm

I tthink DC Kits carry Chivers' stuff , so they may have the NEM pockets
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??? posted on Fri May 15, 2009 9:14 pm

Hi all
Well after a little op on my head last week (trying to find my brains ) I am now starting work on the flocking of the layout at the same time s I am doing Kinmundy for Martin. Two hours was spent today around the road tunnel from the main Quarry to the sidings and on the rock faces. I will post some shots on tomorrow of what has been done to date.
Peter
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat May 16, 2009 8:37 am

trains12 wrote:
Hi all
Well after a little op on my head last week (trying to find my brains ) I am now starting work on the flocking of the layout at the same time s I am doing Kinmundy for Martin. Two hours was spent today around the road tunnel from the main Quarry to the sidings and on the rock faces. I will post some shots on tomorrow of what has been done to date.
Peter
Hi Peter
Hope you're well. Looking forward to seeing the latest on the 'Dale.

BL
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??? posted on Sat May 16, 2009 1:54 pm

Hi all
here are some of the photographs of the work so far about four hours worth. Materials used are mainly Woodland Scenics. I feel that the rock faces now look a lot better than they were before when i was not too happy with the way they had turned out and I was thinking of redoing them.
Peter

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Comment posted by johnd on Sun May 17, 2009 5:36 am

Will have to make a visit to Hazel Grove later in the year to see this one
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Comment posted by matto21 on Sun May 17, 2009 1:31 pm

Looks good Peter!

Those rock faces look great, really impressive
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??? posted on Wed May 20, 2009 1:05 pm

Hi all
I done a good bit more on the layout in the last few days but it is not worth puting any shots on due to the problem on the web site. As soon as it is resovled will post some. Could any one out there let me know if they can see any of the shots as it sayes some of the new ones have been viewed a number of times. Dont want to pester the lads they must be ut to their necks init trying to sort it out. Andy keep up the good work.
Peter
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed May 20, 2009 7:59 pm

trains12 wrote:
Hi all
I done a good bit more on the layout in the last few days but it is not worth puting any shots on due to the problem on the web site. As soon as it is resovled will post some. Could any one out there let me know if they can see any of the shots as it sayes some of the new ones have been viewed a number of times. Dont want to pester the lads they must be ut to their necks init trying to sort it out. Andy keep up the god work.
Peter
Hi Peter
I've not been able to see any of the new pictures. Pics on my own posts have gone too.

Dave
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??? posted on Thu May 21, 2009 8:01 pm

Hi all
Can any one out there say what the actual colour of normal concrete is. Was painting today on GTD models some of the concrete sections and some fellow modellers said it was the wrong colour. What colour do most of you fellow modellers use. I have first sprayed the surface with contact glue then cover the surface with Talc. to give a rough texture finish and then painted it what I belived was a concrete colour made up of light stone mixed with a drop of light grey and a hint of light brown all out of the humbrall range.
Peter.
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Comment posted by Mile on Fri May 22, 2009 10:26 am

trains12 wrote:
Hi all
Can any one out there say what the actual colour of normal concrete is
Concrete colour can vary from Grey to light pink depending on the mix used and the colour of the aggregates. Also some concrete is deliberately coloured. The red of the cooling towers at Ironbridge power station is the result of the deliberate addition of colouring pigment.
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??? posted on Fri May 29, 2009 7:46 pm

Hi all
Have done a fair bit on the landscape this last few days as well as some work on the buildings mainly painting them and spraying while the sun is fine outside. Have painted some of the concrete structures and cover them while wet with Talc to represent the limestone dust. Another job that is being done is the grinding up of Cat Litter to represent the lime stone, some to fine powder and some into small rocks . This is the mixed with talc to give it a further whiteish colour before it is laid down between the tracks in the main yard and sidings. Just at presten I dont want to casue any further problems to Andy and the Mods etc they have a enough on their plate so will post photos of it all when things return back to normal.
Peter
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Comment posted by Sixteen 12by 10s on Sat May 30, 2009 10:38 am

Allo

Great, now i can see the photos, well done Andy.

Peter,
i have been producing a model biased in the same area (viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42227)
After several trips to the peak district, i am still not happy with the rock and cutting faces. I have noticed that the color is not constant, and that new cuts (ie. The quarry face) are almost white. These weather in time through a yellow brown to a mid gray color. Today, you can see the contrast between the working quarry's and the darker gray 130 year old railway cuttings, so setting the scene of my layout around 1936 i had to have a guess at the color.

Ps, i thought my lump of the peak was ambitious, but Great Tunsley Dale, knocks it into insignificance. Keep up the good modeling

Gary
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sun May 31, 2009 10:48 pm

Looking good Peter Just the sort of scenery I was thinking of. The green scatter and foliage contrasts well with the grey of the rock faces.

Gary, that is a nice layout that you are building there.

Cheers Pau
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:02 am

Excellent work Peter, looking really good. I was down at Peak Forest on Friday and Saturday watching 60s at work.

Can???‚¬?„?t wait to see more photos of progress. Oh and seeing 60s running at Great Tunsley Dale!
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:28 pm

Great stuff Peter

BL
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??? posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:44 pm

Hi all
Just some shots of the way that the layout is coming togther. Some of the buildings have been finished painted and I was wandering what the comments are over the colour of the concrete. Still the limstone dust to go around the base of these buildings.
The rust on the small hopper at the bottom is dome with the rust compounds. Instant Rust? Hope it looks OK.
Peter

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Comment posted by david_ford_85 on Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:03 am

Brilliant!!
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Comment posted by Pitbull1845 on Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:30 am

Looking very Good!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:16 pm

Thats looking more like it Peter Any photos of the new Buxton Lime Firms building for the front of the layout?
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:37 am

Shame you can't be there Dave But see you around!
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??? posted on Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:15 pm

Hi All
Just a few shots taken today at the show.
Peter

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Comment posted by Trainsrgr8 on Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:27 pm

This i coming on really well!!! Very unusual subject to chose to model and it has payed off!! Well Done

Good luck with the rest of it!!!
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Comment posted by BlazeyBridge2 on Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:29 pm

It looks huge out in the wild!!

I know its a fair distance to look from!, but the rock faces look very good in these pics- gawd that sounds soooo like I dont mean it to sound!!
I mean thats a part of an overall picture they blend in very well
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??? posted on Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:18 pm

Hi all
Merry Christmas to everyone and a happy New Year
Had a touch of the flu ihe last week so have not posted any more of the shots taken at the show the other week, will do this in the next few days. Adain thanks for all those that came. Hope to see more of you in the Ntw Year.
Peter
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??? posted on Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:59 pm

Hi All
Happy New Year to you all.
Here are some phots of GTD at the SCMRG show. During the show we found a number of items on the layout that are either going to be redone altered or improved.This will start this comming Friday. in the mean time work is continuing on the buildings

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Comment posted by Pete-Harvey on Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:46 pm

Peter

Very very nice indeed I will look forward to seeing your layout at a show some time?

Pete
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Comment posted by Pugsley on Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:58 am

Yes, I look forward to seeing it at a show at some time too - it's looking very impressive.
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:06 am

Stunning Peter, I too hope to see it in the flesh one day.
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??? posted on Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:13 pm

HI All
Ive been laid up since the New Year and so am rather behined with work and GTD. Anyway yesterday started to sort out some of the stock that is internal use only and have made a start on the following wagon.

It appears to have been used for inspection under the hopper loaders in both the main building and various other buildings with in the site. Form what we were told it was manufactured at the South Works in about 1960's? and was made from one of the old 5-plank wagons For the model I have used a Dapol chasis from a open wagonafter removeing the body and built the superstructure from plasticard and plastruct sections. I have still to do the railings around the top of the platform. These will be made from brasss rod. Will post some shots in the next day or so.
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??? posted on Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:25 pm

Hi all
A couple of shots of the wagon as it was at the begin of the week.

In the centre of the wagon floor a cutout was made and two chanel sections fitted to represent the main under frame of the wagon while at each end two flat items of plasticard .020" thick has been glued on.

The two box sections for the plateform were made from two pieces of balsa wood covered in .005" plasticard and seated onto the ends of the opening with the top plateform made from a piece of .030" plasticard. Still to do is the hand rails and the ladders.

i hope two complete the model by this weekend and will then post some more details.
Peter

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Comment posted by highpeak on Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:40 pm

Very good work, especially on the buildings, I think you've captured the look of Tunstead very well.
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??? posted on Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:54 pm

Hi all
Well I have final got the hand rails fitted. I have in the end used plastruct handrails istead of brass ones. This is mainly due to not being able to get the brass ones solder up and stay soldered. For some reason they kept falling apart. All is needed to complete it now is the painting. This will be done in the next few days.
Cheers Peter

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Comment posted by david_ford_85 on Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:42 am

I like it! Brilliant Job. David
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:33 pm

Now for a nice weathering job!
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??? posted on Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:24 pm

Hi All
I have not been doning to much this last week down at the workshop due to being stuck at the house with the snow blocking the road out side. Any way I have done some modelling at home and one of the items is the inspection wagon has now been painted and part weathered. Still to have a bit of the old limestone dust to go on it. There are still afew other wagons of intrenal use that have to be made in the next few weeks
Peter

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??? posted on Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:56 pm

Hi all
Well over the last few weeks I have been busy on jobs for she who most be obayed. Painting and a repairing roofs etc. Anyway have now started on some work down at the unit on GTD and also some work on Martins layout Kinmundy which I am building for him. GTD will be completed it is hoped on the main construction in about 5 months which then allows us to finish testing it before it is hoped its first exhibition at the Hazel Grove show at the end of October this year. There is still afew points to finish wireing up. and we have added a couple more uncouplers. One main item that we found at the small club show last year was the sliding of the rail joiners over the gaps in the fiddle yard boards, the total to do at a show is 160 before and after the show so these will be replaced with each rail being soldered to copper clad at the joints and electrial supply via P & Ss.
I will post some shots in the next few days of the start of the grassing of the layout;
Peter
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Comment posted by Crisis Rail on Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:41 pm

NNNniiiiicee..... - You could be struggling with a decent rake of JGA (If thats what your going for) the Baccy Tarmacs are due for re-release sometime in 2018 ??????‚??22+ a shot
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:10 pm

JGAs are sorted, I have 14 BLIs and 8 maybe RMCs and Peter has 16 BLIs and 12? RMCs that will be used on the layout although strictly speaking we are limited to running a maximum of 20 BLIs as there are only 20 real ones !! So two trains of 10 will have to suffice and in a few years time maybe some Tiphook KPAs will be added assuming Bachmann will backdate the JJA Autoballaster wagons to their original guise.

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by DanielB on Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:42 am

This layout is fantastic, very inspirational. Keep up the good work gents!
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??? posted on Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:24 am

Hi all
With this lovely weather and Paul being down we decided to do some of the modifications that we found were needed after the showing of the layout last year. This was mainly doing away with the fishplates on the storage lines at the joints. There were 128 fishplates to join which took longer to do than put the layout up!! So it was decided to wire the connections via a plug. So here are some of the photos of the work in hand taken on Saturday when we put part of the fiddle yard up outside.
Peter

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Comment posted by James95 on Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:05 pm

Hi Peter,
I dont know how ive missed this layout all i can say is wow and what a great job you guys have done!
Would you mind showing me a track plan or telling me how many points and crossovers there are just on the front part of the layout?

Thanks
James
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??? posted on Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:35 pm

James95 wrote:
Hi Peter,
I dont know how ive missed this layout all i can say is wow and what a great job you guys have done!
Would you mind showing me a track plan or telling me how many points and crossovers there are just on the front part of the layout?

Thanks
James
Hi James
Yes - just completing a track plan of layout and hopefully at weekend should be able to post it, in meantime plodding on with the soldering etc.
Watch this space
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Comment posted by James95 on Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:26 am

Hi James
Yes - just completing a track plan of layout and hopefully at weekend should be able to post it, in meantime plodding on with the soldering etc.
Watch this space
Cheers, Looking forward to some updates also

James
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??? posted on Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:12 am

Hi all
Been a sod of a weekend, part of one of the trees near the cottage had a split appear in its trunk on a branch. the branch was about 20 inch Dia and about forty foot long so spent the last three days with the guys cutting it down and clearing up so have not had too much time to complete the plan of the layout. So here is what Paul has done.
What is shown is just the front of the layout and not the storage sidings which are 16 sidings 8 for each main line.
The front layout is in two halves and need to be joined to give the full view of the layout with the small section of lines in grey coming off the red and blue main lines to the bottom of the layout. Does that make sense? Anyway it gives a rough idea of what it looks like. It is 28ft long 3ft deep at the front and 2ft wide on the sides giving an overall lenght of 28ft by 10ft 6in wide. The fiddle boards are 2ft 6in wide.
Work will resume this week on wiring and some of the buildings.
Peter

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Comment posted by BlazeyBridge2 on Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:29 pm

Ben A wrote:
However, one observation I would make is this: your posting suggests to me that the comments from your visitors struck a little bit of a nerve. Is this because, having put in all that work, deep down you yourself are not totally convinced by the rockfaces?
I suspect that Ben may have been close here?
I know the area pretty well and the rock faces are pretty good.... but I feel that in this case "pretty good" isnt close enough for you.....

Its hard to tell precisley from a picture on a lap top, and colour perception is a personal thing, but the grey seems to be slightly too grey, needing to be more to the whiter shades and possibly the vertical cracks in the rock should be less pronounced...
but definately not a necessity to start over IMHO
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Comment posted by Pugsley on Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:53 pm

BlazeyBridge2 wrote:
Its hard to tell precisley from a picture on a lap top, and colour perception is a personal thing, but the grey seems to be slightly too grey, needing to be more to the whiter shades and possibly the vertical cracks in the rock should be less pronounced...
but definately not a necessity to start over IMHO
I'd agree with that, having just spent a little while looking at pics of Peak Forest on Fotopic. Fill in the vertical cracks a bit to soften them, then go over what you've got with a lighter palette and include a little brown in there too. Once you've done that, you'll be there, so it's a few tweaks rather than starting all over again IMO.

If you're wavering over whether something is good enough or not, it often helps for someone else to confirm what you've got in the back of your mind, even if it's not necessarily what you wanted to hear at the time!
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??? posted on Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:18 pm

Hi all
Just a quick update on progress. Still wiring up to the main control panel. have over the last 10 days solder up 5x 25way 'D' plug and sockets. plus 4 x 15 way, that is 370 soldered joints , no wunder am going cross eyed. This inbetween laying the track on Martin wales new layout. Still not got my camera back from the show the other week so no new shots of the buildings. All is on line to have it working ready for the clubs showon the 6th & 7th Dec. (sse exhibitions) Will keep you all posted over the next few weeks.
Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:25 am

Phew! Puts me to shame!
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??? posted on Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:38 am

Hi all
Just a quick update. Two more boards have been completed on the wiring and points at the same time as working on Martins layout. Still on target to complete all by the show on the 6& 7th Dec. Have moved my modeling room at home over the last week giving me more space to complete the buildings and as a result work has started on the last two buidings, The loco shed/maintanance shed and the last works building based on Buxton Lime works at Peak Forest.
i hope to post some uptodate shots this weekend. Work has also started on the two Diesels shunters used at the plant. The other one has been delgated to my China Clay layout Porth Eithin. Hope this satisfies the purist out there Looking for operates in this areato help run the layout at shows with paul and I. Any offers? .
Peter
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:08 am

I look forward to seeing some more photos Peter.

I may be tempted to volunteer for driving class 60s!
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Comment posted by mines a pint on Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:42 am

Looks ok to me!
I drove past the place a couple of months ago returning from a camping trip in the peaks, having visited the bit of old railway at Millers Dale, I dont think you are far out, but...

-If there are problems with your model rocks I think it is that the scoring is possibly too deep or maybe a bit too regular (though I can see you have taken some effort to avoid the second?) I dont think the colour is wayout unless the camera is wrongly set?

I'll try find my pics from Millers Dale which has the same type of rock!
you could maybe mix a little fine sand in to the paint which might add texture to the rock surfaces
( but only if you think its required?- I tend to think limestone is fairly smooth (hence comments about the scoring?)
- perhaps the 'detractors' dont realise that )

HTH!
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Comment posted by Waverleywest on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:37 pm

Hi,

As a former geologist I've looked at more rock faces than most people and I definitely don't think you need to start again. I think you need to chop the rock faces about a bit to make them look less regular and to hide or reduce the over-regular cracks a bit.

Fractures in rocks are VERY rarely neat parallel textbook-style cracks. They are usually a jumble of cracks in a rock face, often with a (usually barely) discernible underlying pattern. As several people have commented, it's difficult to tell from a photograph, but the section on the right of your photograph looks pretty darned good to me. I think this is because there isn't the overwhelming regular pattern of cracks that is apparent on the other faces.

But please don't start again!! You're really not far off! I think you've captured the layering of the faces with the grassy ledges spot on!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:48 pm

This photo illustrates the sort of cliff face that Peter is trying to model on GTD. I took this photo of the conveyors leading down to the main loading building off to the left, but it shows the limestone cliffs and grassed outcrops.

HTH
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Comment posted by PMP on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:08 am

From your pics the rock strata looks too regular and the joints too coarse. One way of doing rock is with these Woodland scenics moulds.
http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?pro ... cs&prod=15

For the limestone area I'd try some of these
WC1230
WC1234
WC1236
WC1239
WC1243
WC1244

Basically you can mould plaster in them, and then apply the casting over or in place of your existing rock faces you're unhappy with. I've used them once before and found them easy to get on with and they produce a good result.
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Comment posted by mines a pint on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:54 am

PMP wrote:
From your pics the rock strata looks too regular and the joints too coarse. One way of doing rock is with these Woodland scenics moulds.
http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?pro ... cs&prod=15

For the limestone area I'd try some of these
WC1230
WC1234
WC1236
WC1239
WC1243
WC1244

Basically you can mould plaster in them, and then apply the casting over or in place of your existing rock faces you're unhappy with. I've used them once before and found them easy to get on with and they produce a good result.
I've been looking up stuff on this on the 'net and there is quite alot of material, obviously just like trees, not all rocks are the same!
PMPs method sounds a good one the moulds might not fit your rocks/situation exactly, but see if you like the sound of this one first, you can always still do that!
- this is adapted (to your situation) and I can't remember where the original item was but I'll go looking for it if you fancy this method!
-put a thin layer over the existing rock face, especially making sure the deep scoring is filled but ensuring the whole is covered- thinly
- next get some silver foil, scrunsh it up, and wrap around some scrap wood , then dab on the surface of the rocks , this gives relief but it is fairly shallow (though my main worry here would be bits of rockface adhering to the silver foil!- maybe I didn't read it fully!)
of course a repaint would be needed but its not quite as far as recasting all the rocks, so might be worth a try, you can still recast the rocks if it still doesn't look right HTH

PS: (edit ) if you recast the rocks they would stand proud of the existing ones, which obviously would be a problem if they are right next to the track with small clearances as I think some of the Peak forest ones are? - to remove & replace well ok its an option but if youve been using PVA you cant get a small section out without moving half the rest of the layout too - 'Stronger than the wood itself' etc, etc!!
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??? posted on Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:56 pm

Thanks all for the info. on the rock faces. I think that for the time being I am going to leave them and see what it all looks like when the scenery is completed. At present still completing the wiring and the connectors to the main panels. Does anyone know of a clear transparent stickey back sheet that I can run through my A3 printer after I have printed the track diagrams onto it and then stick this down onto my contol panel to allow the colour of the panel plastic sheet (cream in this case ) to show through. I have tried laminating sheets but they dont take the ink from the printer, and also have tried overhead film which take the ink but then have to use a glue to stick them down onto the panel which then shows a mess of glue streaks through the film. Any sugestions.
Regards Peter
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Comment posted by nevardmedia on Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:27 pm

Good idea
I think once you have more grass (hairy hopefully?) and undergrowth on it will look far more like you intend - having been to the location it's based on. Final colour tweeks (simply washes and dry brushing would do the job) are often best left until much later when you can properly appraise what's going on with everything else in its place
You have something special here

I wonder if a commercial vinyl/banner printer could do what you want?
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??? posted on Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:14 pm

Hi all
Just a couple of shots of the state of the lime kilns as promised.
Peter

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Comment posted by mines a pint on Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:16 pm

Impressive! (size and quality)
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Comment posted by MoundCity on Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:33 am

Ya gotta love that lime kiln. It also effectively puts to work vertical space which is so often under utilized. With having a surprisingly narrow hoofprint, it is a very impressive structure. Sure enjoy seeing good work like that.
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Comment posted by Pugsley on Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:47 pm

Wow, that is one seriously impressive structure!
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??? posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:44 pm

Hi all
Work is steadily plodding along finishing the wiring and the buildings. Basic layout with wiring complete is still on target for the show on 6th & 7th Dec. at Talysarn Community Centre (any offers of help to operate greatfully received )
Meanwhile Paul and myself have been turning our attentions to stock. Mainly the manufacture of 70 of the old ICI hopper wagons. These will be etched body with cast metal chassis and additional castings. We were hoping to go into production with these by Christmas but due to the current economic climate we are holding back to see if things improve. There will be surplus kits produced which will be available for sale.
One other area that is in production is a few of the special wagons that have been used around the site over the years at Tunstead and these I am attempting to build and hope to have a couple of them finished for the show. Paul meanwhile is weathering some of the modern image wagons and engines.
Hope to post some more photos this weekend keep the posts coming with your comments
Rgards
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:27 am

Now that is what you call modelling!

Fantastic work Peter, keep the photos coming. Look forward to seeing more......
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Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:36 am

Looking good Peter ,

might get over to see you next year (and vice versa I hope) - only been ... too many ... years
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??? posted on Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:23 pm

Hi all
At long last the end of the wiring is in sight . Only two boards to complete and then at the show on the 6th & 7th Dec it can all be tested. Meanwhile a shot of some of the wiring under the boards. For the time being I have decided to leave the rock faces as they are until all the foliage has been completed then it will be looked at again.
Peter

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Comment posted by Matthew2h1 on Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:38 pm

looks great all that hard work and effort has paid off in a great looking layout at least i think so it looks amazing

From Matt
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??? posted on Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:45 pm

Hi all
Well it is getting nere to GTD's first outing, The show at Tal y sarn this weekend 6th & 7th (see Exhibitions) so all you local guys in RM come along and see it and tell me what you think of it so far. or
One other matter dose anyone out there have any unmade Crownline Kits of the 9F crosti kit and the rebuilt crosti that they dont want and would sell. We need a couple to try and convert the new Bachmann 9Fs as thses were used around that area in the 1960's. Hope somebody can help.
peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:02 pm

Peter-why don't you post the above in 'Wanted'
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:38 am

Regretably demands of the new job won't allow me to get to the show but all I can wish you is all the best!

The BL dios have had to take a bit of a back seat for the last few months but, with luck they'll be back on show in a few weeks!

BL
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Comment posted by pilotfriend on Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:52 pm

This is exceptional industrial modelling. Well done...so impressive
best wishes and keep up the good work
John
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??? posted on Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:43 am

hi all
Just a couple of shots of the small diesel engine that I started last week. Much of the inspiration for this must go to Neil. He gave me the push.The cab is an old airfix 03 shunnter the body a old matchbox toy with a new under frame from plastic card and bits of fittings from the junk box. It is powered by a Tenshodo spud but on test running needs a good deal of lead fitting to give it the power to pull any wagons. It still needs handrails couplings and small details before painting. It is to be used on both GTD and on my new extention to my china clay layout Porth Eithin.
Peter

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:57 pm

Nice work from a cheap toy and different! Ideal for Porth Eithin
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Comment posted by Baby Deltic on Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:05 pm

Looks like part of the good old Matchbox shunter. I'll bet they're getting rare now.
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:55 pm

A bit rarer still now! Mind you it's upped the value of the remaning ones by a fraction!
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Comment posted by Ruston on Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:31 pm

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:25 pm

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.
In fact the two we are going to model for GTD will be based on two rebuilds of 0-4-0 steam shunters into 0-4-0 diesel shunters as converted by ICI back in the late 60s, RS/8 and RS/142 'Trevithick', which at first glance would appear to be total works of fiction but are based on real examples. Besides it's Peters layout, so he says goes IMO. As Peter said, he got the inspiration for his fictional shunter from Neil Rushby, who I believe made another fictional shunter for Martin 'Wales' Jones. I suppose we could model the Ruston shunter that was trialled at Tunstead in the 60s as well along with the class 08 lookalike 0-6-0 EE Diesel-Electric shunters, both of which we have photos of working at Tunstead.

Paul
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Comment posted by PaulCheffus on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:32 am

Ruston wrote:

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.
Hi

Personally I think it makes a nice model and is something different.

Cheers

Paul
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Comment posted by david_ford_85 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:59 am

PaulCheffus wrote:
Ruston wrote:

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.

Hi

Personally I think it makes a nice model and is something different.

Cheers

Paul Me too, I think its brilliant, an excellent use of what was itself a quite nice toy.

David
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??? posted on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:24 pm

Ruston wrote:

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.
Hi Dave
i take your point but it was just a spur of the moment to make it before I got into the more serious modelling again on the buidings. One thing is that it is not totally freelance has it is based, I admitt loosely, on a North British Co. design from the early 1950,s of which I have some shots in a book. The main differances are the font cab windows and the length of the bonnet. The exhust when built was differrent but in later years before it was I belived scrapped it was fitted with the exhust as modelled. The main shutters that are being made for it are copies of ones made in the South Works Shops as paul has stated.
Regrds Peter
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Comment posted by Bomp on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:30 pm

I'd like to be able to knock something like that up as a bit of playtime! Nice loco. I have a few of the Matchbox shunters, but couldn't bring myself to cut them up like that!
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Comment posted by mines a pint on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:43 pm

Bomp wrote:
I'd like to be able to knock something like that up as a bit of playtime! Nice loco. I have a few of the Matchbox shunters, but couldn't bring myself to cut them up like that!
Likewise, I cant see what harm there is in 'freelance' loco's even on a 'serious' layout, besides once its painted and somebody sees it at an exhibition someone will swear theres one just like it somewhere anywhere! , 'till I can find the necessary 'wedge' for a DJH Barclay Saddletank, I'm going to have a go at hacking up a Hornby 'caley' pug to represent an NCB loco, if it turns out half as well as this I'd be well pleased!

That is another factor with these no doubt well researched 'kit' industrials, they aint cheap, so if you can knock something together as well as this then all the best! the diecast section has nice rivet detail and no doubt adds useful weight to the loco
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??? posted on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:37 pm

Well I am back at doing some modelling of the building kind now after a hectic last few weeks. Not much has been done on the main layout but hopefully that will change in the next few weeks. Have now started to paint some of the smaller items on the buildings realising that I can not now get to all the fine details due to the increasing pipe work and other fittings that are being attached. The detailing of the vertical lime kilns themselves is now under way (pictures to follow) and some of the old derelict shutes and other small objects, one of these being the funny little round concrete huts. Paul and I saw these at Tunstead but until we visited the site did not know what they were. In fact they are portable blast shelters for the workmen when blasting was taking place in the old days
These have been made from the small plastic retainers from inside Kinder Suprise Eggs. They are glued onto a base and the door is built up with micro strip and daz modelling clay then sanded down.

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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:32 am

Peter, all I can say is wow! Stunning, that really is.

Can??????????¬???????t wait to see the painted buildings on the layout. Can I come and bring some of my 60s for a play?!!!
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:15 pm

The buildings look even better close up
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??? posted on Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:27 am

Grimleygrid wrote:
Peter, all I can say is wow! Stunning, that really is.

Can??????????¬???????t wait to see the painted buildings on the layout. Can I come and bring some of my 60s for a play?!!!
Hi Grimleygrid
Thanks or the comments. It is hoped that the club is holding a small show / open day at Talsarn village hall in December when we hope to have GTD up and running so you are most welcome to bring the 60's. Between Paul and myself we have about four i think. The buildings will not all be finnished but it is hoped that some of the scenary will be done. Will post on here in the next week or so the dates when confirmed. May be looking for operators for that weekend as well as my other two layouts will be there together with the clubs 1mm layout and two other members layouts so we are a bit short of helpers.
Peter
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Comment posted by matty-a7x on Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:12 am

I think this is going to be a great layout. I also realy like the shunter you are making
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:12 pm

Hi Peter, thanks for the invite. I would love to come along with my 60 fleet and see GTD in the flesh but it is quite a long way for me to travel, but you never know??????????¬?‚?¦??????????¬?‚?¦

Look forward to seeing more updates.
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Comment posted by matto21 on Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:02 pm

I really like the little shunter, looks really cool! Wouldnt mind building something like this myself! Is it painted yet?
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:04 pm

Refresh my memory Pete-was that the first or second weekend in December?
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Comment posted by pilotfriend on Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:14 pm

The plant you have built appears to me to be to professional standards....marvellous....and as far as I am concerned, if you want that shunter, its your layout for God's sake.
regards
JOhn
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??? posted on Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:34 pm

matto21 wrote:
I really like the little shunter, looks really cool! Wouldnt mind building something like this myself! Is it painted yet?
Hi Matt
No it is still to be finnished yet ben working on the buildings also have not yet thought of a colour scheme.

Peter
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??? posted on Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:42 pm

Hi all
Well the next few weeks are going to be very busy. To day the club has booked the 6th & 7th of December for are open day show at Talsarn Village Hall in Talsarn. this on the stie of the old railway station. Have to get GTD complete on the wiring. It is going to be its first outing and the show is to be used as a try out that all works OK and it all fits It will appear as a workin hand layout to gether with 4 or 5 other club members layouts. So if any RM members fancy giving a hand all will be most wellcome. Just drop me a message.
Cheers Peter
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??? posted on Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:47 pm

Hi all
Just a quick update. Have spent the last 10 days still on the wiring, finished all fiddle yard and am on main part now putting point motors on. Am posting photo of rock faces on GTD because we have had some Americans in and a guy from down south who all know the area very well and say that the rock faces are not very good and don't do anything for the layout. Just wondering whether should hack all faces off and start again as I know they are not dead correct but had depressed me a bit considering the amount of time I spent creating them. Comments please.
Regards
Peter

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Comment posted by Ben A on Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:36 pm

Hi Peter,

Although I'm an N-gauger, I've been following this thread with particular interest. I'm especially fascinated by Peak Forest traffic, and I am in awe of the quality and detailing of the large scale structures you are building.

As for the scenic modelling, and specifically the rock faces, in all honesty it is very difficult to judge the quality merely from photographs.

However, one observation I would make is this: your posting suggests to me that the comments from your visitors struck a little bit of a nerve. Is this because, having put in all that work, deep down you yourself are not totally convinced by the rockfaces?

I hasten to add that I speak from experience - there have been occasions when I've been honestly unsure whether I've "nailed" a thing or not and therefore asked someone who I trust - possibly seeking validation. I'm simultaneously angry and yet slightly relieved when they confirm my fears - that actually, something I've spent a lot of time on needs a little bit more work!!

Hope that helps!

cheers

Ben A.
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??? posted on Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:05 am

Phil wrote:
trains12 wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick update as to what has gone on this last week. I have not been able to complete all the connections on the electrics due to a few problems at home ( leaking roof after the heavy rains) and having the new roof windows done at last at the unit which curtailed me working there for two day (H&S) Any way work now well under way on the electrics. Hope to have it operational by weekend on the main circuit. Have also done some work on the building for the South Works.
Paul and I have decided to hold a open day down at the unit on the Sat. 26th July when all will be welcome. So please come along and see us.
Regards Peter.

Hi Peter
A very impressive layout indeed.

Not sure if you've run the first train, but if you havn't it can only be an 8F.

As for the open day date - do you realise it clashes with another event in RMweb land ? Chasewater

Cheers Hi Phil
It has not run yet due to me running out of D connectors. I thought I had some but most have have used them on another layout. Trying to get some more today.
I know it is the groups show that day but it is so that some of the local lads who would have gone the the Welsh National Model show here in North Wales on that day which has been cancelled can come and see the layout .
At present surrgestions for the frist engine are 8F , 9F Class 37 Class 66 so I may double head the steam and the desiels one each track at the same time.
See you
Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:41 pm

You're there the 27th as well, right Peter?
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??? posted on Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:13 am

MartinWales wrote:
You're there the 27th as well, right Peter?
Hi Martin
Yes will be there on the Sunday as well if any one wants to come that day but will only be there till about 3.00pm due to Paul having to get back home Via Bangor. The D connectors should be here to day so I can finnish the wiring on the main line.Gerry down last weekend so out yesterday on WHR so little work has been done over the weekend.
Peter
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Comment posted by matto21 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:40 pm

Good looking layout!

Good to see there's other modellers in N Wales!
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??? posted on Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:42 am

Hi All
This weeks update has a moral behind it. ??????????¬?‹?“Less haste more speed??????????¬??????? has certainly been the story this week. In trying to finish the wiring on the main running lines I first soldered up a 25 way D connect the wrong way round so I desoldered on half and decided to use a new half only to find when I had resolder the 25 joints that I now had two plugs instead of a plug and socket .So the whole process was repeated again.

I then found that on one board that I hade forgotten to put in some cables only to find that I had in sufficient room in the D connector so again I had to desolder and fit a larger D connector. I can tell you the air was a little blue . I was nearly at the point of putting an axe through the lot. In the end a stepped back and did few of the little mundane jobs . 'Less haste more speed?'

Anyway some work has been done on the South Works building and the over bridge at the end of the works, so the layout should be running for the open days on the 26th & 27th of the month.
peter

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??? posted on Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:00 pm

Hi all
good news. First time today a engine ran on the layout, admittedly it was only a short distance of about 5ft but it ran Then stopped. It is the same old problem last haste more speed. Found number of minor faults missed wiresor crossed wires but it is welcome that upto now they are only a few
Should have all the main lines running by next weekend when we will be open both days for anyone to come and play trains.
Peter
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??? posted on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:12 pm

Work has progressed well this week on the electrics and are on target for a complete run round of the layout for this Sat. Paul is down from Manchester with some of the stock so it should be a fun weekend If any one wants to bring their engines and stock then dont forget it is 16.5mm fine scale that we are running. Hope to see some of you over the weekend. Let us know if you can make it.
Peter
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:21 am

Hi Peter,

Very impressive. Can't wait to see photos of the stock running, especially some 60s on the JGAs!

Oh and some pairs of Railfreight 37s!
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:32 am

trains12 wrote:
Work has progressed well this week on the electrics and are on target for a complete run round of the layout for this Sat. Paul is down from Manchester with some of the stock so it should be a fun weekend If any one wants to bring their engines and stock then dont forget it is 16.5mm fine scale that we are running. Hope to see some of you over the weekend. Let us know if you can make it.
Peter
With any luck, Sunday afternoon.See you!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:43 am

In my suitcase (its the only practical way of getting the stock to Peters by train!) is a box of Peter's BLI JGA hoppers newly weathered, a box of 50s/60s era ICI hoppers, a box of ICI 5-plank opens and three locos, a BR livery black 8F, an EWS 60, and EWS 66. I will try and take some short video clips on my phone and post them to my youtube account when I get back home to give you all an idea of what the layout looks like with trains running round. Plus some photos as well. I would have liked to taken more stock but only got so much room in the suitcase. Perhaps 37/5s and 80s ICI hoppers next time?

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:45 am

I'l look forward to that Paul ,and hope to see you both sometime Sunday!
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:48 pm

Look forward to seeing the photos Paul, especially the EWS 60 on the BLI JGAs!
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??? posted on Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:11 am

All set to go main lines running. Dont forget to come and see us
Peter
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??? posted on Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:42 pm

Hi All,
Peter and Paul here. We had a productive day working on the layout and managed to eliminate a few problems and the first train make a sucessful continuous circuit of the inner line was a Bachmann 221 Super Voyager. Quickly followed by a change of stock to a Hornby 8F and 15 ICI hopper wagons. Then a bit more electrical work to wire up the live frog 3-way points in the fiddle yard to allow the other roads to be brought into use. Then we tried a Bachmann 20 and 25 in green on the outer track, which was largely sucessful apart from one dead section to be sorted out Sunday am. Paul took some video on his phone of the Voyager going round the layout viewed from within the layout well and also outside the well. Also running on was a Bachmann 3-car green cl 108 DMU. More stock will be operated on Sunday, so all are welcome to come and visit. We will take some photos and more video tomorrow. Branches and a few other friends called as well during the day. I am beginning to feel that the last nine months has been well worth the effort.

Cheers Peter
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??? posted on Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:42 pm

Hi All
Well at long last the photos of the trains running. Paul will post the video clips in the next day or so but to be going on for the time being in no particular order are some of the shots. I think there is no need to say what they are. More will follow in the next few days. I am over the moon that it worked ok after nine months work both at the unit and at The Railway Study Centre. Still a few minor snags to work out but no big problems.
Peter with tears in his eyes

Oh yes what happened to Matin back in an hour Wales Still waiting for him to come.

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:49 pm

Peter-Sorry I could'nt make it, but events have happened this weekend that were beyond my control

I will be looking forward to seeing it vey soon though!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:19 pm

Hi All,

Okay I hope this will work!! Here are four clips of GTD with trains running on it. Two with a Bachmann Virgin Super Voyager and two with a Hornby 9F hauling a rake of 15 loaded ICI hoppers plus brakevan. YouTube reduces the quality of the video captured by my phone but it is still good footage. Onwards and upwards with the stock now!

Voyager
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MFNA9BukkYI Christian/? rmweb member (in grey) and Peter/trains12 (in red) in background

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wb_ThUs_MQo

9F on hoppers
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U_dJeaeN5tY

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KOoCyXPHXto
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??? posted on Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:30 pm

Now you have seen some of the photos and the videos any comments? Main work now starts on the scenery, buildings and wiring control panels for all the points. Welcome your views
Peter
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:48 pm

Hi Peter,

As yet I haven't seen the videos but the photos look good to me. That is going to be one seriously impressive layout!
The buildings are just unbelievable; the quality of modelling is first class. Can just imagine a train pulling up ready for loading.

When are you planning to have it finished?

More photos please, especially of 60s in action!
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:29 pm

Very impressive Peter-Do like the vids!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:21 am

Grimleygrid wrote:
Hi Peter,

More photos please, especially of 60s in action!
We did have two Hornby EWS 60s running round on the outer track on the BLI hoppers but they kept on derailing at the same crossing and on closer examination it was a tight back to back on one wheelset on both locos, causing it to strike the rail and derail. Also the said rail needed a bit of fettling. Hopefully Peter has managed to sort the problem out and the 60s will resume duties. So it pays to check the back to backs of new locos when using them straight out of the box.
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:24 am

Well at least you have sorted out the track problems. I look forward to seeing more photos!
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??? posted on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:23 pm

Hi all
Been awhile since I posted anything but due to other projects ( planning the Holyhead show and also a show at the Welsh Slate Museum) very little work has been done. Fear not over the next few weeks work will advance again so please keep watching.
Peter
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??? posted on Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:14 pm

Hi all
At present we are building some of the diesel shunters for operation on GTD and looking at the small shunter that Neil has made for Martin Wales Tryweryn Sidings layout gave me an idea for a small matchbox shunter that I obtained the other week for 50p. What I have done is cut the cab off this and am grafting on the cab out of an old Airfix 03 shunter and using tenshodo 0-4-0 motor bogie inside the frames to make a similar stylee shunter
Below are a couple of shots of the 2 items cut and ready to assemble together. Further shots will be as it is built
Peter

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:29 pm

Actually Pete, the little shunter is meant for Kinmundy 'Works'
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??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:17 pm

I thought that members might like to know (and if so desire get involved) about the latest layout that I am constructing. Since our move to North Wales I have built a number of new layouts both for myself and for friends. Probably the most famous of these is Porth Eithin, a china clay, which has featured in Model Rail twice, on the Model rail DVD as well as on S4C, ITV, and a lot of the local press around here. The second layout, which is familiar to many of you, is Tryweryn or Tryweryn Sidings owned by Martin (Wales) Jones and was built for him some years ago. Porth Penrhyn is another layout that was completed two years ago but is at this time in store due to a problem on the track yet to be sorted. Work has also been completed on an O gauge layout with three of the other club members.

Anyway I thought that it was time that I built a new layout. It was decided that it would be based on and around the Quarries at Tunstead in the Peak District. This is due to both Paul, my better half in the publishing business, and myself being involved in the book the History of the ICI Hoppers. Paul was going to be in charge of all the rolling stock and myself with the construction of the layout. It was going to be a tail chaser about 20ft long by 12ft wide, in the end it has worked out at 28ft long. It has the main hopper building, as the centre attraction, with the four round hoppers to one side. At one end are the sidings for the hoppers after filling, and also on the other side of the main line the gravel hoppers. The operation of the layout is split into three sections. A). is the main lines and the rear 16 storage sidings, B). is the main hopper lines on the north side of the running lines and has two controllers, C). which is the gravel hoppers on the down side and is controlled by one controller.

Work started on the points, which are all hand made, last June together with the buildings, and track laying started on the boards in November last year. The entire track is SMP.

To date track is laid on the front eight board with track work on a further three boards under way and overall scenery is in hand.

I hope that you like it and please let know what you think and if you want to see more. When it is finished by this July we will be looking for help to operate it at the Colwyn Model Railway show so if you want to join a mad team lets us know.

Peter

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Comment posted by Pete-Harvey on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:57 pm

This looks very interesting how long ago were the pictures taken how far have you got since taking them?

Pete
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Comment posted by unsoundmove on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:20 pm

Looks very promising and look forward to seeing more. You must also be in with a chance of the 'tidiest workshop' prize ?
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Comment posted by cnw6847 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:24 pm

The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress.
What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits?

I thought the picture was taken in a model shop
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??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:31 pm

Pete-Harvey wrote:
This looks very interesting how long ago were the pictures taken how far have you got since taking them?

Pete
Hi pete
The first photos showing some of the shaped scenery were taken three weeks ago when I erected three of the boards in the dining room because it was a little to cold at the unit. The last two shots were taken just before Christmas. All these boards have had the trackwork completed and with the others ther is now 24ft of track laid and ballasted and the wiring completed on each board but awaiting the fitting of 'D' plugs (some 400 + joints to do). These three boards have had most of the basic plastering completed in the last week, it should be al fished on them by next week. Will try and get some better shots on but the camera is playing up.
Regards Peter
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??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:42 pm

cnw6847 wrote:
The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress.
What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits?

I thought the picture was taken in a model shop
Hi CNW6847
Buildings are all scratchuilt. The round hoppers make use of two waste connections from the toilet (Not Used Ones) Small hopper from two tesco spice jars (wendy wasnt to happy when i left the spice in bags) The other a section off the outside drain pipe which was just the right dia. The rest is form board and plastic in emboss sheets and sections.
Yes some of the shots were taken down in the shop uint Railways Unlimited/Cheona Publications. If you come you can get roped into modelling on layouts so beware.

Peter
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Comment posted by Pete-Harvey on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:10 pm

Sounds like fun Peter.

Pete
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Comment posted by michael delamar on Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:20 am

this looks like it will be great,

the fact the layout is wide will give it realism, depth.

and like the buildings the size of them drawf the trains, all ingredients to make this a great layout

Mike
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:04 am

Very impressive. I must admit to liking industrial settings. I may have to re-think my plans for a return to the hobby!

BL
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Comment posted by sparky on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:53 am

Can't wait to see more of this one Peter,some good work is coming out of Wales at the moment.I see you are using SMP track,is it finescale 00 or EM ? Looking forward to seeing more photos once your camera is sorted.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Comment posted by cnw6847 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:15 pm

trains12 wrote:
cnw6847 wrote:
The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress.
What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits?

I thought the picture was taken in a model shop

Hi CNW6847
Buildings are all scratchuilt. The round hoppers make use of two waste connections from the toilet (Not Used Ones) Small hopper from two tesco spice jars (wendy wasnt to happy when i left the spice in bags) The other a section off the outside drain pipe which was just the right dia. The rest is form board and plastic in emboss sheets and sections.
Yes some of the shots were taken down in the shop uint Railways Unlimited/Cheona Publications. If you come you can get roped into modelling on layouts so beware.

Peter Hi Peter
Thanks for the info, the buildings look excellent.

Cheers
Richard
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??? posted on Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:42 am

sparky wrote:
Can't wait to see more of this one Peter,some good work is coming out of Wales at the moment.I see you are using SMP track,is it finescale 00 or EM ? Looking forward to seeing more photos once your camera is sorted.
Cheers,
Geoff
Hi Geoff
Its OO SMP finescale. Martin Wales Jones tried to convert me to EM when I was building his layout but with a total of four other layouts I have collected something in the region of 2500 yes 2500 items of stock so can you imagine the cost of conversion? I never seem to get rid of anything.

Cheers peter
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??? posted on Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:25 pm

Hi all
Here are a few more photos I have taken some time ago
One shot the method of the consrtuction of the baseboards which I have been asked about. All of them have been made from 9mm marine ply. The legs fold up within the main sturucture. Another view shows how the layout was at the open day between Christmas and New Year. These are held a number of times a year and all are wellcome.
The final shot showes the air compressor plant that i have made for the layout. This is all hand made with the exception of some of the pipe fittings. This has now been finished and painted. More shots of how the layout is now when I get my camera fixted.
Peter

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:19 pm

Further to Peter's posting above, here are some of my photos I took of GTD when three of the baseboards were exhibited at the Llanberis show a few weeks ago. Obviously lots more work to do on the buildings and scenic side of things, but the addition of the wagons gives it a bit more depth and impression of scale. I am in charge of the freight rolling stock and already got a good fleet of 1950s/60s era ICI hopper wagons and 5-plank ICI opens, 1980s/90s ICI hoppers, 90s/00s PGA hoppers and JGA hoppers. Could do with some Freightliner HIAs, ex Nat Power JHAs and JMAs, and some EWS HOAs just for good measure (HOA future kit from Genesis?)

Enjoy

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Comment posted by Andy C on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:22 pm

Peter

Whats the provenance of the ICI hoppers?
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:50 pm

Hi Andy,

Puts Mr ICI Hopper hat on

The hoppers in the photos are the High Peak casters resin kits produced in 1987 or thereabouts and originally sold through the model shop in Buxton near the Market Square - long since closed. They are basic to say the least but with a bit of work and time can be made into good wagons. I have 7 (1980s/90s livery) plus 4 (50s/60s) of my own plus I look after another 7 (80s/90s) plus 10 (50s/60s) owned by Hazel Grove & DMRS. Plus a further 3 unbuilt examples, one High Peak, one Appleby Model Engineering plus the prototype from John Taylor and a further 5 unbuilt High Peak wagons. Peter also has 5-6 unbuilt High Peak wagons which I need to get on building for the layout!! I have divided the High Peak kits up into three variants, the first with a very heavy cast resin body with no interior hopper, second with improved casting and deeper interior and third ditto with thinner casting of sides and ends as resin casting improved. Rarely do you see examples for sale, so much so I scratchbuilt three new wagons from plasticard onto spare resin underframes.

Peter and me have given serious consideration to developing our own kit for these wagons as a) we will need more for the layout, B) need some more for myself and c) lots of people ask me about them when they are out running on Hazel Grove & DRMS club layout 'Hazel Valley' . People seem very disapointed that you can't get a kit of what is quite an iconic wagon of the steam and diesel eras - lifespan just over 60 years in traffic in daily use. Remember in steam days it was upto 16 loaded, and then 18 loaded with Derby Type 2 Sulzers, then gradual increase with traction type to final days with pair of 37s with 24 loaded. So you couldn't really just buy one kit, you'd really need at least 10 to make a decent looking rake in any era.
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Comment posted by Andy C on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:58 pm

Hi Paul

Ive some etched brass ones (10) on the way courtesy of John Taylor (Uncommon kits) Ive yet got to assess them against the pics / drawings in someones book but pretty sure i can get a good model out of what Ive seen.

they will appear on the new MMRS layout loosely based on Peak Forest (it was to have been called Peak Dale but i understand someone has already blagged that name)
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:20 am

I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask.

Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout??
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Comment posted by sparky on Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:19 am

Brilliant,i'm not into the modern scene as i'm still stuck in a 1950-1960 time warp !!However this is a marvellous bit of work,more please

Cheers,
Geoff
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Comment posted by Andy C on Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:33 am

pharrc20 wrote:
I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask.

Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout??
Thanks Paul

I think John has some - probably obtained off yourself!! Im looking forward to getting stuck into them but John - whos one of my good mates - has his own timescale on Planet Sowerby
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Comment posted by British Railways on Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:57 am

Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it.

Elliott
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??? posted on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:42 pm

British Railways wrote:
Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it.

Elliott
Hi Elliott

All the buildings seen in the shots are scratchbuilt. The main building is made of formboard covered in embossed plasticard with the use of Plastruct sections, griders etc, and micro strip. Have also made use on the round hoppers items such as sprice containers ( I most buy some new ones for Wendy some to replace the bags now used. ) Waste pipe connections from the toliet, not used thank goodness and a section of one of the outside drain pipes which was just the right size. Windowa are either hand made using the old Slaters window system or cut down and modified Dornerplus. Am at the present working on the main hopper building to try and make it into a working loading unit, with real sound. the only kit buit items will be the signal boxes, Ratio but modified, and some of the small huts etc which will be Wills or Ratio. To date some 200 plus hours have been spent on the buildings some of which have not yet been photograped yet.
hope this answers your question. Keep watching

Peter.
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??? posted on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:53 pm

sparky wrote:
Brilliant,i'm not into the modern scene as i'm still stuck in a 1950-1960 time warp !!However this is a marvellous bit of work,more please

Cheers,
Geoff
Hi Geoff
Thanks for your comments very much appreciated. The layout is not just modern scene, I have tried to incorporate form the late 50's to present day but as all ways a little modellers licence has to come in. Pauls main interests lie more in the modern and blue era. Mine is the steam and green era, so we have the best of both worlds. Can you PM me with details of your layout as I am exhibition manager of the Colwyn model railway show at Llandudno and am intrested in your layout.

Peter
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Comment posted by Digital on Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:58 pm

pharrc20 wrote:
I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask.

Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout??
Great layout guys, hope it comes to Colwyn Bay and I can get to see it

Yes Nick did plan on doing Peak Forest at one time but now has built the superb "Holland Park" container layout.

Best wishes
John
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Comment posted by British Railways on Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:21 pm

trains12 wrote:
British Railways wrote:
Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it.

Elliott

Hi Elliott

All the buildings seen in the shots are scratchbuilt. The main building is made of formboard covered in embossed plasticard with the use of Plastruct sections, griders etc, and micro strip. Have also made use on the round hoppers items such as sprice containers ( I most buy some new ones for Wendy some to replace the bags now used. ) Waste pipe connections from the toliet, not used thank goodness and a section of one of the outside drain pipes which was just the right size. Windowa are either hand made using the old Slaters window system or cut down and modified Dornerplus. Am at the present working on the main hopper building to try and make it into a working loading unit, with real sound. the only kit buit items will be the signal boxes, Ratio but modified, and some of the small huts etc which will be Wills or Ratio. To date some 200 plus hours have been spent on the buildings some of which have not yet been photograped yet.
hope this answers your question. Keep watching

Peter. Thank You

Elliott
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Comment posted by PaulCheffus on Sat May 31, 2008 7:19 pm

trains12 wrote:
Hi All
Just a small update this week. have been doing other things (uder pressure from the wife Wendy ) so on the layout little has been done other than some more of the plastering. Most of the work this week has been on the vertical lime klins on the piping. Some shots of this. Can anyone help me. I am looking for a small 6in. mitre block which is either adjustable for the angles or already has angles of 22, 30, 60, etc already cut in. I have the normal standard one with 90 and 45 in but have no means of cutting in other angles. Be glad of any help.
Sorry about the shots being a bit fuzzy camera needs a service , a bit like me.
Peter.
Hi

Would the NorthWest Short Lines Chopper be of any use (90, 45, 60 & 30 degree but not 22)?

http://www.nwsl.com/Catalog/pg010-cat2-00-v0611.pdf

Cheers

Paul
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??? posted on Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:37 am

Hi Paul
Thanks for the info. Its looks very good. Who are the stockist in this country. Might also be good to have some in the shop.
Regards Peter
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Comment posted by PaulCheffus on Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:55 pm

trains12 wrote:
Hi Paul
Thanks for the info. Its looks very good. Who are the stockist in this country. Might also be good to have some in the shop.
Regards Peter
Hi Peter

I bought mine from Micro Mark in the States but I think Acme Model Co supply them in the UK.

Acme Model Co
PO Box 69
Hampton
Middlesex
TW12 3NA

0208 9790672

Cheers

Paul
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??? posted on Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:57 am

PaulCheffus wrote:
trains12 wrote:
Hi Paul
Thanks for the info. Its looks very good. Who are the stockist in this country. Might also be good to have some in the shop.
Regards Peter

Hi Peter

I bought mine from Micro Mark in the States but I think Acme Model Co supply them in the UK.

Acme Model Co
PO Box 69
Hampton
Middlesex
TW12 3NA

0208 9790672

Cheers

Paul Hi Paul
Sorry not been back . line problems with BT. Thanks for the info will check it out.
cheers Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:03 am

Hi all
Just a quick update. Nearly all the basic scenic plastering has been completed and some of the basic painting has completed.
A departure from the building in situ for the scrubbers on the vertical lime kilns has been the arrval of one of Europes largest cranes that will lift the last scrubber into place. It takes a day to errect the crane on site. Will post some shots of this when the final lift is in place.

Wife sayes we are "Kids with Toys"
Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:07 pm

Hi All
Just arrived back from GTD and the crane has arrived and been set up for the final big lift tomorrow lifting the last scrubber in place. A couple of shots of the crane enclosed.
Some of the track has been sprayed inside the unit but nearly chocked us with the spray this will have to be done outside by dismantling the layout inside and errecting it outside. Will keep you posted.

regards Peter

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??? posted on Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:19 pm

Hi all
well I have final started to spay the track and here is the first shots of it. Other work that has been done has been the building of the two tunnel mouths wich are now on the paintind bench at home and will it is hoped be installed in the next few days. Also work on the main buildings is coming along but the other day ground the tip of my finger will the belt sander while thining some part down.Any way ashot of the back of the scubbers showing the piping coming out from the top of the klins.
The main new is that the large crane place the last scrubber in place so the klins can now be completed so some shots of this takeing place. And details needed due us a reply.
Cheers
Peter

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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:00 pm

Very impressive, Peter.
What paint did you use on the track?
BL
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??? posted on Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:27 am

Bangor Lad wrote:
Very impressive, Peter.
What paint did you use on the track?
BL
Hi Dave
Thanks for comments. The crane was a bit of fun

The track paint is Precision Paints Track Dirt (matt) sprayed with a touch up gun. Normally I would have sprayed the track before the scenics being done but on this layout many things have been done wrong way round. The problem is that you cannot get in with the gun as it is to large and causes over spray and uses to much paint. Need to get a new small one.

Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:28 am

Looking good Pete!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:17 pm

It's coming along now, with the track being sprayed and some colour added to the cliff faces. Good to see that the curtain rail hooks solved the problem of the pipe bends on the limekilns pipework. Looking forward to seeing GTD in two weeks time

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:55 pm

trains12 wrote:
Bangor Lad wrote:
Lovely scrubbers Peter
Not 100% sure of what you'r looking for in the mitre block. Have you tried an adjustable set square to mark out the angles?
BL

Hi Dave
Its not the actual marking out that is the problem but the cutting of them. One of the troubles that I have is that i have Arthritis in both my wrists and cutting down square with the saw is hard going for me so I use a X acto mitre block for the cutting of all my girder sections, tubes etc but they only have the 90 45 degrees on them so after I have marked say 35 degree angle with the protractor it is hard to cut it square.
Peter Hi Peter,
I just came across this and thought it might fit the bill if you've not already got something.

Regards
D
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:00 pm

Sorry Peter,

Couldn't load the link. Will try again later.

D
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:33 pm

Bangor Lad wrote:
Sorry Peter,

Couldn't load the link. Will try again later.

D
Hi Peter,
Came across a multi-angle guillotine in the Proops Brothers e-Bay shop. Might be worth a look?

BL
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??? posted on Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:14 pm

D
Hi Peter,
Came across a multi-angle guillotine in the Proops Brothers e-Bay shop. Might be worth a look?

BL
Hi all

Dave thanks for the link am looking into it.
Update this wek is not to much work has been done due editing the HMRS Points newsletter. Anyway some more spraying of the track has been completed but my small spay gun is playing up so it is becoming very time consuming. Will have to get a new one. Work at home is still ongoing with the vertical lime kiln building but iit is nearing the stage for painting. Two shots posted showing my Fell Diesel outside the south box, This box will be replaced with a Midland style box when I have finished it.
Peter

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??? posted on Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:03 pm

Hi All
Well Friday 13th has lived up to its day with me. first this morning my trusted spary gun used on the track packs in and I cae home from the unit a bit Fed Up So I decided to spray some of the lime kilns with my good air brush and guess what ? Yes you have it my good air brush has packed in still with alot of spraying to do. Mined you with hind sight I should have sprayed many of the items individually. Most remeber that in future. Dose any one else have problems like this. Anyway some shots of the spraying to date.
Peter

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:02 am

So it was'nt just me that had a crap 13th then!
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Comment posted by BEN TRUCK on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:20 am

Hi Peter
Yes , just when you thought you had all that spare time to paint and air brush it turns into "maintenance time", and nothing gets done .i think i,ve replaced nearly all the bolt on parts of my compressor over the last 4 years ,what was that in Fools and Horses ,"I,ve had this brush for 15 years ........5 heads and 8 handles, ................your structures are superb and stand up very well to close scrutiny ,where as mine ......................mmmm?
lovely stuff
cheers
Brian
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??? posted on Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:26 pm

BEN TRUCK wrote:
Hi Peter
Yes , just when you thought you had all that spare time to paint and air brush it turns into "maintenance time", and nothing gets done .i think i,ve replaced nearly all the bolt on parts of my compressor over the last 4 years ,what was that in Fools and Horses ,"I,ve had this brush for 15 years ........5 heads and 8 handles, ................your structures are superb and stand up very well to close scrutiny ,where as mine ......................mmmm?
lovely stuff
cheers
Brian
Hi Brian
Thanks for the comments. Gave up on the spraying and obtained a cheap and nasty ??????‚??3.99 air brush to finish track spraying. Did most of the job but a little over spray. One thing though I forgot to wear a mask and spent 4 hours in the unit with out realising the fumes and fog of the spraying was getting on my chest. Have spent today cutting out the windows in the South Works building back at the Centre so that the fog will clear in the unit. Will post some views of this when I have assembled it together tonight.

Regards Peter
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??? posted on Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:48 pm

Hi All
A bit of bad news went down to the unit tonight toget some items and found that the roof windows in the roof over the layout have leaked yet again with the heavy rain . The landlords have stated that they would be done but we are still waiting. At present the end board up of the fiddle yard is a little wet and a small amunt has gone on the front boards at the entrance to the main hopper yard Any way the whole layout is coverd in bin liners with some old empty ice cream tubs to catch the drips. just hope that it will be ok in the morning. Will keep you all posted.#
Peter
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??? posted on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:20 pm

Hi all
Good news the layout has not suffor to much and is already drying out. Roof will be done next week at last. Anyway some shots of the south works building as promised and two shots of the painting of the scenery before the flocking stage.

Peter

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:57 pm

Looking good Peter, glad it wasn't damaged
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:05 am

Looking good, Peter.
I'll have to call in again some time soon...I could do with a tutorial on modelling the rockfaces!

BL
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Comment posted by saizei on Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:31 pm

everytime i look at this layout it gets better and better, keep it up look forward to seeing the end product

Thanks and Best
Gary
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Comment posted by garethevans1986 on Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:10 pm

I do agree, looks very nice, have you got a layout plan for it?

Any plans for running diesels on it?

GE
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??? posted on Wed May 14, 2008 7:09 am

Hi all
Just a small update on the progress todate.More of the wiring hs been done as well as some of the base for more of the scenery. A couple of shots of the carcass of the vertical lime kiln building as it was on Friday last. Work has also started on the underpass from the main quarry to the down sidings.
Peter

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??? posted on Thu May 15, 2008 1:14 pm

Hi All
Just a further update on progress to date shots of the tunnel mouth from the main quarry to the sidings.
Peter

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Comment posted by Jamie on Thu May 15, 2008 9:17 pm

Some serious industrial structures on the go there! I'm off to buy shares in plastruct...

Great stuff.
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Thu May 15, 2008 9:36 pm

And its only taken him a few days to knock them together. Last bank holiday monday when I was at Peters, they were just sketches and photos and ideas in our head..... Just got the South Works building to do now, unless he has finished that one as well!!

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat May 17, 2008 8:21 am

No stopping you and Peter then Paul!
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??? posted on Sat May 17, 2008 8:37 am

Hi all
Just a further up date on the work done this week. All the base boards have now been completed at the joinery stage and the track is waiting to be laid on the last two boards leading into the storage yards, but at present we have to wait till wecan erect the whole lot outside to see if it all fits to gether as the unit is just to small to fit it all up in. Had a few boards outside the last few days working on the scenery and have now started the plastering now only problem was it was drying to fast with the heat.
I have all so done some work on the vertical lime kilns and yes I have started the South Works building but it is only the walls cut out in the foam board and is awaiting to have the windows cut out before assembly.

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat May 17, 2008 9:27 am

Cracking work there Peter!
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??? posted on Mon May 19, 2008 2:14 pm

ont cladding has now been completedHi all
Work this weekend has been on the buildings . Have spent hous but there seams little to show for it. But anyway here is what has been done. Mainly to do with the vertical lime kilns and in particular the smoke scubbers at the rear of the main building. Most of this want be seen but I felt that it should be modelled.

Regards
Peter

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??? posted on Sat May 24, 2008 8:45 am

Hi All
My weekly update on the project this week. Bangor lad visited the unit last Thursday to see the layoutand it was very nice to meet him. In the mean time work has ben under taken on the buildings and plastering of the scenry.
here are some shots of the Vertical lime klins as it was on 24th last.
Any one is welcome to come and visit and see the progress (or even help if they want) more the merry.
If there is any imformation or details please post a reply and I will try and answer them
Regards Peter

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Comment posted by montyburns56 on Sat May 24, 2008 10:18 am

I have to say what a fantastic job you done with re-creating the industrial infrastructure around the Peak Forest. I've never visited the Tunstead quarry, but I have seen the one at Peak Dale a few times and you've certainly captured the atmosphere and look of these facilities. I can't wait to see the completed layout!

P.S. Are you going to be modelling the RMC Sentinel shunter? http://chrisperkins.fpic.co.uk/p21230094.html
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??? posted on Sat May 24, 2008 5:51 pm

Hi Montyburns56
Thanks for the compliments I try to please.
Yes we are going to make the models of the shunters. We have got some Knightwing kits and will use them as the basics for the RMC. Do you know what the round tank is shown on your shot. Would appreciate any other shots. We are allso going to model the two ICI shunters thatwhere made at South Works one on the chassis of a steam loco. A couple of shots of this as it is now at the Natioal Stone Museum. The scond one we have not tracked down yet to get some shots.
Dont know if we will do the new shutter yet.
Peter

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Comment posted by montyburns56 on Sun May 25, 2008 9:20 pm

I'm afraid the picture isn't mine, but I can only presume the tank is something to do with the air brakes. Again these pictures aren't mine but they might be useful.

http://narrowgaugeindustrial.fotopic.net/p11718985.html
http://narrowgaugeindustrial.fotopic.net/p11718986.html
http://narrowgaugeindustrial.fotopic.net/p11718987.html
http://narrowgaugeindustrial.fotopic.net/p11718989.html
http://37264.fotopic.net/p37172781.html
http://37264.fotopic.net/p37172757.html
http://37264.fotopic.net/p26400476.html
http://www.geoffspages.co.uk/raildiary/ ... /index.htm
http://www.samsonrail.co.uk/gallery/1280/sj042779.jpg
http://www.samsonrail.co.uk/gallery/1280/sj037845.jpg
http://www.samsonrail.co.uk/gallery/1280/sj027113.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/ ... rs_web.jpg
http://37264.fotopic.net/p22659227.html
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13857121.html
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Tue May 27, 2008 11:39 am

Hi Peter and Wendy,
Sorry I've not had a chance until now to say thanks for the welcome when I visted last week.
GTD is truly impressive and will be something to see when it is complete!

Hope to drop in again soon.

Regards

BL
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Wed May 28, 2008 6:27 pm

It will that Dave! Especially the stunning quarry buildings
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed May 28, 2008 9:31 pm

MartinWales wrote:
It will that Dave! Especially the stunning quarry buildings
Couldn't agree more....must get the plasticard out this weekend
BL
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Comment posted by baggiebloke on Wed May 28, 2008 9:36 pm

Hi Peter

Have only just caught up with this one - superb modelling so far. The scale of the buildings and the relief of the land form will make this a unique layout. I can't keep my eyes off the industrial structures you've created!

Nice trackwork too may I say!

Can I ask what 37s you have lined up to run on the layout? Hope you have a wide selection of 37/0's and refurbs! Bachmann's forthcoming 37/5 should serve you well!

I look forward to more updates on your creation.

Alex
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??? posted on Thu May 29, 2008 1:59 pm

baggiebloke wrote:
Hi Peter

Have only just caught up with this one - superb modelling so far. The scale of the buildings and the relief of the land form will make this a unique layout. I can't keep my eyes off the industrial structures you've created!

Nice trackwork too may I say!

Can I ask what 37s you have lined up to run on the layout? Hope you have a wide selection of 37/0's and refurbs! Bachmann's forthcoming 37/5 should serve you well!

I look forward to more updates on your creation.

Alex
Hi Alex
Thanks for your comments
I am not to well up on the engine side after the end of steam. Paul who is the one in charge of the stock is sorting that out but I do have some Bachmanns in green livery and EWS colours but not certain what they our. I know that in modern terms we have Class 20s, 47s, 37s, 58s,59s, 60s,66s, in varoius liveries. Keep watching will be posting some updates on the lime klins in the next day or so as well as the scenery.

Peter
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri May 30, 2008 10:21 pm

I have a small fleet of Bachmann 37s (Mk 1 version), which have been renumbered and painted into appropriate Buxton based locos in Railfreight Red and Railfreight Sector grey/Construction liveries along with some Heljan 47/0s, /4s in RF grey, RF sector Construction/Distribution/Metals examples of which have been seen at Buxton in the late 80s/early 90s sectorisation period. After that have got two IC Mainline 37/4 'Volcano' namers to do plus more 47s, 56s and 60s. Pre and Post privatisation got some locos but need more and got a reasonable set of EWS era liveried locos. As for blue era, got a small fleet of 25s, 40s 37s and 47s that can be used. I need to do some more Transrail/Loadhaul/Mainline Freight liveried locos but now that ViTrains have done some plus the forthcoming 37/7 with flush ends that will sort that out.

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat May 31, 2008 9:05 am

Saw the recent developments alst Monday Paul-this is going to be one truly impressive layout once finished!
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??? posted on Sat May 31, 2008 3:37 pm

Hi All
Just a small update this week. have been doing other things (uder pressure from the wife Wendy ) so on the layout little has been done other than some more of the plastering. Most of the work this week has been on the vertical lime klins on the piping. Some shots of this. Can anyone help me. I am looking for a small 6in. mitre block which is either adjustable for the angles or already has angles of 22, 30, 60, etc already cut in. I have the normal standard one with 90 and 45 in but have no means of cutting in other angles. Be glad of any help.
Sorry about the shots being a bit fuzzy camera needs a service , a bit like me.
Peter.

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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat May 31, 2008 4:31 pm

Lovely scrubbers Peter
Not 100% sure of what you'r looking for in the mitre block. Have you tried an adjustable set square to mark out the angles?
BL
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Comment posted by Ruston on Sat May 31, 2008 5:07 pm

I've only just noticed this one. There's some excellent industrial structure modelling here. I like industrial stuff and it's all the better when it's done to such a size. So many layouts have only a tiny part of the industry they're portyraying and they don't convey how immense the real things such as quarry hoppers are, but this does and they're still only bare plastic at the moment.
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Comment posted by -missy- on Sat May 31, 2008 5:42 pm

Hi.

OMG! That guy whoever built those buildings is a plastic modelling genius!

M
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??? posted on Sat May 31, 2008 6:01 pm

Bangor Lad wrote:
Lovely scrubbers Peter
Not 100% sure of what you'r looking for in the mitre block. Have you tried an adjustable set square to mark out the angles?
BL
Hi Dave
Its not the actual marking out that is the problem but the cutting of them. One of the troubles that I have is that i have Arthritis in both my wrists and cutting down square with the saw is hard going for me so I use a X acto mitre block for the cutting of all my girder sections, tubes etc but they only have the 90 45 degrees on them so after I have marked say 35 degree angle with the protractor it is hard to cut it square.
Peter
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Comment posted by baggiebloke on Sat May 31, 2008 6:07 pm

Ruston wrote:
I've only just noticed this one. There's some excellent industrial structure modelling here. I like industrial stuff and it's all the better when it's done to such a size. So many layouts have only a tiny part of the industry they're portyraying and they don't convey how immense the real things such as quarry hoppers are, but this does and they're still only bare plastic at the moment.
There is the Shenston Road layout of Kier Hardy association with large steel work structures but, amazing as it is, I don't think that is an exhibition layout.

Alex
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Comment posted by Digital on Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:16 am

Hi Peter,
Is the layout operated by DCC or standard DC.
Regards
John
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??? posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:33 pm

Digital wrote:
Hi Peter,
Is the layout operated by DCC or standard DC.
Regards
John
Hi John

It is normal DC but at present it is still in the wiring stage. I have far too much stock to convert to DCC To give an idea of cost to convert the four exhibition layouts and the main layout together with stock two years ago the cost was put at some ??????‚??20,000 pounds by ZTC that was 500 plus engines all points controllors sound etc. Just cant aford it so it stays with miles of cables and nightmares if something goes wrong. Paul is in a similar boat as well but we both have thought of doing a small modern image layout which will be DCC. in the near future.
Regards
Peter
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Comment posted by Heiter on Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:43 am

trains12 wrote:
Digital wrote:
Hi Peter,
Is the layout operated by DCC or standard DC.
Regards
John

Hi John

It is normal DC but at present it is still in the wiring stage. I have far too much stock to convert to DCC To give an idea of cost to convert the four exhibition layouts and the main layout together with stock two years ago the cost was put at some ??????‚??20,000 pounds by ZTC that was 500 plus engines all points controllors sound etc. Just cant aford it so it stays with miles of cables and nightmares if something goes wrong. Paul is in a similar boat as well but we both have thought of doing a small modern image layout which will be DCC. in the near future.
Regards
Peter Where are the manufacturers when you need *their* support...??
Excellent layout and a credit to you...

Colin.
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??? posted on Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:45 pm

Hi all
Just a update on the layout. Wiring has continued this last wek and a futher two boards have been completed upto the connection stage. Timber has been oatained to complete the last three boards while the other boards are made and ready for tack layout. Work on the last Gravel loader is well in hand as is some of the smaller sheds etc. I will post some further shots in the next few days.

Peter
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??? posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:06 pm

Hi All
Just to let you all Know that my unit in Nantlle will be open house this Saturday 25th march between 10.30am to 4.00pm where I will br working on Tunsley Dale. I will al so have the clubs O Gauge Layout Waterley Cross working. All are welcome ,if you want instructions one how to find me contact me either on 01286 882 332 or pm me. Have coffee or tea but also no beer
Also there is Porth Eithin Porth Penrhyn and Dartmouth but not up.
Hope to see some of you
Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:42 pm

Shame! I'm at York
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??? posted on Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:40 pm

Hi All
Just a few photos of what has been done in the last few weeks

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??? posted on Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:27 pm

Hi All
Just a shot of the two Blue Pullman set that will be used on the layout. I seem to be haveing a few problems post picx at present.
Peter

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:37 pm

A quick posting on the sort of stock that will be needed to operate on the layout. Ok well starting with the obvious sort of wagons given that the layout is loosely based on the real rail served quarry at Tunstead, these will be the long lived ICI bogie limestone hopper wagons. I have two rakes myself that I operate in conjunction with the rakes owned by Hazel Grove & District MRS of which I am a member. There is a rake of 16 wagons in the 1950s/60s livery of medium grey plus weathered examples formed 5+5+5+1 (I think) and a 1980s/90s rake of 14 wagons. However for Great Tunsley we will require at least another two rakes plus some spares. Both Peter and me have a couple of the old High Peak Casters kits for these wagons, which to be brutally honest are not exactly well detailed but they do look like the wagons once built and modified. So, to make up the shortfall we are looking at producing some more wagons ourselves in brass and whitemetal but that is still on development at the moment.

Other suitable stock for the steam era will include the 5-plank ICI Lime opens, which were once produced by Airfix many years ago and later a version was produced by Hornby. Yes, the chassis are not accurate for these plus those monster couplings to contend with as well so a program of coupling upgrades to Bachmann type narrow couplings will hopefully solve that problem. Except Bachmann couplings are in short supply at the moment Other opens and small hoppers will also be used for general stone flows from Great Tunsley. The next biggest wagon type that we will need is the BR 24t COVHOP and I am aware that Bill Bedford has a kit in the pipeline. Then there is Presflos, Prestwins and Conflat Ls along with a mix of everyday goods wagons that could be scene passing the quarry on the mainline as well.

Moving onto the 80s, the ICI hoppers remain dominant abeit with a light grey livery when ex works rapidly becoming a rusty dusty brown colour darkening with age. Air brake stock from this period from the real Tunstead was mainly the CBA covered hoppers (conversion in hand), Tarmac PGAs (in hand) and Peakstone PGAs (future project). I have started to build a rake of Parkside 21t HTV hoppers but given Hornby's recent decision to model the Clam/Rudd and Tope wagons, I wouldn't be at all suprised if Hornby turned round and produced a rtr rebodied and welded HTV model as per the Parkside kit, so I will see what happens on that front. The final type of stone wagon in this era is the 27t stone tipplers MSVs. I have amassed a rake of 20+ of these using the Bachmann chalk tippler and added extra brake rigging and vac cylinders to the chassis. Yes I know the chassis is incorrect type and the body is too high but that doesn;t bother me. Lots of Speedlink wagons PAAs, PBAs, TTAs etc. as appropriate to era

Into the 90s, we can still run the ICI hoppers until 1997 and run Bachmann JGAs in Buxton Lime Industries and RMC liveries and later on CAIB PGAs 30+ of those, and later still Freightliner HHAs. All we need now to complete the picture would be RFS built RMC PHA/JGAs, EWS/Cemex HOAs and Freightliner HH HIAs in green and white. Oh and some Tiphook KPAs just to be complete. And some Nat Power/EWS JHAs and JMAs..... Not much to ask is it Again lots of ancillary stock appropriate to era and Enterprise operations JAAs. JIAs, TTAs, TUAs, Cargowaggons, PCAs

Its gonna be fun!!
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??? posted on Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:07 pm

Hi all
Just an update on the progress of the layout. In the last few days we have fished the baseboards at the end of the layout and have errcted the baseboards for the fiddle yard ready for the laying of the cork. Some more of the electrics have also been done. It is hoped that the laying of the track in the fiddle yard will start tomorrow. If all goes well and the weather is good will will try to trst the erection of the whole layout next Saturday outside the unit in Nantlle. Will post some more photos of the laying of the fiddle yard.

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:15 pm

A few more photos of the layout showing the extended fiddle yard taken today. I spent the weekend at Peter's lair and helped to lay some new track, solder the rails onto the copperclad and put the plywood top on the newest fiddle yard baseboard. Note the track is not aligned or pinned down yet on the new board, but that won't take Peter long to do!! In the first photo of those uploaded by Peter in the last post, the mainline and quarry line track and points are all laid and ballasted and connect up with the tracks leading in/out of the fiddle yard. I knew I should have taken a similar photo for comparison before I left sunny N Wales.

Cheers Paul

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Comment posted by SweeneyTodd on Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:33 pm

That's one huge fiddle yard 16 lines ! , i want to ask what type of points are used and how will it be powered , i'm fairly new to the hobby and working on a quite a large layout , i want to ad a fiddle yard probably about half the size of yours , if you can have you got a track plan to show where your adding power ? if not no worries

The whole layout looks great , i will be following your progress .....

Shaun .
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??? posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:02 am

hi Shaun

Thanks for comments. The track and points in the fiddle yard are all Peco Code 75. What is shown is not the full extent of the yard there is still afurther 6ft board to add with the other points on. The feeds to the layout are at each end of the yards on each main line. The lines are split in the middle so giving 32 sidings appox. 8ft - 10 ft long. the points are controlled by Hornby or peco points motors which will be operated by either stud and probe contact or spring centre off swiitches, havent made my mind up yet. The whole layout is standard DC control.

peter
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:36 am

Really looking forward to seeing photos of this layout when finished, great work so far. The buildings are stunning, absolutely superb modelling. Lots of fun ahead for you guys me thinks!

Can we have some photos of 60s on JGAs running on your layout please, or pairs of 37s on the ICI hoppers!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:36 am

Yep, I can't wait for the day when we can start filling up the fiddle yard with stock and get some trains running. I think I can muster a 60 and some BLI JGAs plus some of Peters, plus a pair of Buxton 37/5s on a long rake (24) of ICI Hoppers.
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:20 pm

Look forward to the photos Paul.

Any idea when you will be up and running?
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:48 pm

We were going to appear at the North Wales Exhibition organised by Colwyn Bay MRC and held at John Bright School, Llandudno, but this exhibition has now been cancelled. So not sure what our first outing will be, but the extra time will give us a chance to finish off all of the scenery and sort the stock out etc.
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??? posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:52 pm

Hi all
Have been at the unit today and have laid the track in the fiddle yard that was in Pauls photos above. Hope to have the final hand made track completed by Thursday so it can be laid on Friday. In the mean time am wiring up odd sections. Paul and myself are going to Tunstead on Monday to flim further details of the plant ie hoppers. cement kilms etc and also make a sound recoring of the loading of a train through the main hoppers so when we load the ICI hoppers on the layout there will be real sound of them being loaded. Will post some more shots in the next few days.
Back to it.

Peter.
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??? posted on Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:32 pm

Well as promised further shots of the progress made this week on the ayout. Paul and myself are at Tunstead on Monday to view the site and make a recording of the loading of the hoppers so that we can fit sound into the model hopper. Should get a lot of photos. :
Peter

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??? posted on Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:40 pm

Hi All
Update
Have been up at Tunstead early this week with Paul photographing etc most of the plant thanks to Tarmac. Some great shots so I can now complete the models. Some more point motors and wiring completed as well as a little mod to the track laout. Will post some more shots in the next few days.
Peter
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??? posted on Wed May 07, 2008 6:02 pm

Hi all
Some shots taken by Paul on Monday of this week showing the trackwork completed where the Vertical lime kilns and the South Works will fit. Have started today the model of the lime kilns today so will post some shots of the progress of this. Still working on the wiring.
Regards
Peter

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Wed May 07, 2008 6:29 pm

Looks even better now than when I saw it a fortnight ago!
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Comment posted by Andy C on Thu May 08, 2008 6:19 am

Andy C wrote:
Hi Paul

Ive some etched brass ones (10) on the way courtesy of John Taylor (Uncommon kits) Ive yet got to assess them against the pics / drawings in someones book but pretty sure i can get a good model out of what Ive seen.

they will appear on the new MMRS layout loosely based on Peak Forest (it was to have been called Peak Dale but i understand someone has already blagged that name)
John Taylor brought down 2 sets of etches for the ICI hoppers last night at the Rochdale club night - Im probably going to sideline the Ivatt 2-6-0 Im building on wednesday nights and have a shot at them - theres a lot of bits and i suspect the RSU will be in demand - ive already promised to re-write and draw his instructions as i go alomg because theres already 1 bit Im not sure of where it goes! it does look like it will make a nice model with a bit of care in the building and I suspect an article may follow in one mag or another! I'll keep you posted on progress! (but they my end up as P4 models behind a blue rat)
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri May 09, 2008 11:22 am

I'd be interested to see how you get on with these, having had the prototype kit built up and finding that some of the tabs and slots didn't fit made things a bit tricky.

Peter and me have been developing a kit for the hoppers for a good number of years now and when the Appleby and Modelex kits were proposed we decided not to proceed, but now both of these have fallen by the wayside, we have decided to push ahead with our own kit and started to draw up the parts required. As previously outlined in this thread, we will need quite a few hoppers for GTD layout.

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by Andy C on Fri May 09, 2008 3:22 pm

pharrc20 wrote:
I'd be interested to see how you get on with these, having had the prototype kit built up and finding that some of the tabs and slots didn't fit made things a bit tricky.

Peter and me have been developing a kit for the hoppers for a good number of years now and when the Appleby and Modelex kits were proposed we decided not to proceed, but now both of these have fallen by the wayside, we have decided to push ahead with our own kit and started to draw up the parts required. As previously outlined in this thread, we will need quite a few hoppers for GTD layout.

Cheers Paul
Funny you said that Paul - I was looking at the sideplate tabs and indents in the top and bottom frame plates and the tabs looked slightly overlarge but wasnt in a poistion to get the micrometer out to check.
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??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:17 pm

I thought that members might like to know (and if so desire get involved) about the latest layout that I am constructing. Since our move to North Wales I have built a number of new layouts both for myself and for friends. Probably the most famous of these is Porth Eithin, a china clay, which has featured in Model Rail twice, on the Model rail DVD as well as on S4C, ITV, and a lot of the local press around here. The second layout, which is familiar to many of you, is Tryweryn or Tryweryn Sidings owned by Martin (Wales) Jones and was built for him some years ago. Porth Penrhyn is another layout that was completed two years ago but is at this time in store due to a problem on the track yet to be sorted. Work has also been completed on an O gauge layout with three of the other club members.

Anyway I thought that it was time that I built a new layout. It was decided that it would be based on and around the Quarries at Tunstead in the Peak District. This is due to both Paul, my better half in the publishing business, and myself being involved in the book the History of the ICI Hoppers. Paul was going to be in charge of all the rolling stock and myself with the construction of the layout. It was going to be a tail chaser about 20ft long by 12ft wide, in the end it has worked out at 28ft long. It has the main hopper building, as the centre attraction, with the four round hoppers to one side. At one end are the sidings for the hoppers after filling, and also on the other side of the main line the gravel hoppers. The operation of the layout is split into three sections. A). is the main lines and the rear 16 storage sidings, B). is the main hopper lines on the north side of the running lines and has two controllers, C). which is the gravel hoppers on the down side and is controlled by one controller.

Work started on the points, which are all hand made, last June together with the buildings, and track laying started on the boards in November last year. The entire track is SMP.

To date track is laid on the front eight board with track work on a further three boards under way and overall scenery is in hand.

I hope that you like it and please let know what you think and if you want to see more. When it is finished by this July we will be looking for help to operate it at the Colwyn Model Railway show so if you want to join a mad team lets us know.

Peter

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Comment posted by Pete-Harvey on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:57 pm

This looks very interesting how long ago were the pictures taken how far have you got since taking them?

Pete
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Comment posted by unsoundmove on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:20 pm

Looks very promising and look forward to seeing more. You must also be in with a chance of the 'tidiest workshop' prize ?
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Comment posted by cnw6847 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:24 pm

The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress.
What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits?

I thought the picture was taken in a model shop
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??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:31 pm

Pete-Harvey wrote:
This looks very interesting how long ago were the pictures taken how far have you got since taking them?

Pete
Hi pete
The first photos showing some of the shaped scenery were taken three weeks ago when I erected three of the boards in the dining room because it was a little to cold at the unit. The last two shots were taken just before Christmas. All these boards have had the trackwork completed and with the others ther is now 24ft of track laid and ballasted and the wiring completed on each board but awaiting the fitting of 'D' plugs (some 400 + joints to do). These three boards have had most of the basic plastering completed in the last week, it should be al fished on them by next week. Will try and get some better shots on but the camera is playing up.
Regards Peter
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??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:42 pm

cnw6847 wrote:
The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress.
What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits?

I thought the picture was taken in a model shop
Hi CNW6847
Buildings are all scratchuilt. The round hoppers make use of two waste connections from the toilet (Not Used Ones) Small hopper from two tesco spice jars (wendy wasnt to happy when i left the spice in bags) The other a section off the outside drain pipe which was just the right dia. The rest is form board and plastic in emboss sheets and sections.
Yes some of the shots were taken down in the shop uint Railways Unlimited/Cheona Publications. If you come you can get roped into modelling on layouts so beware.

Peter
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Comment posted by Pete-Harvey on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:10 pm

Sounds like fun Peter.

Pete
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Comment posted by michael delamar on Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:20 am

this looks like it will be great,

the fact the layout is wide will give it realism, depth.

and like the buildings the size of them drawf the trains, all ingredients to make this a great layout

Mike
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:04 am

Very impressive. I must admit to liking industrial settings. I may have to re-think my plans for a return to the hobby!

BL
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Comment posted by sparky on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:53 am

Can't wait to see more of this one Peter,some good work is coming out of Wales at the moment.I see you are using SMP track,is it finescale 00 or EM ? Looking forward to seeing more photos once your camera is sorted.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Comment posted by cnw6847 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:15 pm

trains12 wrote:
cnw6847 wrote:
The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress.
What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits?

I thought the picture was taken in a model shop

Hi CNW6847
Buildings are all scratchuilt. The round hoppers make use of two waste connections from the toilet (Not Used Ones) Small hopper from two tesco spice jars (wendy wasnt to happy when i left the spice in bags) The other a section off the outside drain pipe which was just the right dia. The rest is form board and plastic in emboss sheets and sections.
Yes some of the shots were taken down in the shop uint Railways Unlimited/Cheona Publications. If you come you can get roped into modelling on layouts so beware.

Peter Hi Peter
Thanks for the info, the buildings look excellent.

Cheers
Richard
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??? posted on Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:42 am

sparky wrote:
Can't wait to see more of this one Peter,some good work is coming out of Wales at the moment.I see you are using SMP track,is it finescale 00 or EM ? Looking forward to seeing more photos once your camera is sorted.
Cheers,
Geoff
Hi Geoff
Its OO SMP finescale. Martin Wales Jones tried to convert me to EM when I was building his layout but with a total of four other layouts I have collected something in the region of 2500 yes 2500 items of stock so can you imagine the cost of conversion? I never seem to get rid of anything.

Cheers peter
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??? posted on Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:25 pm

Hi all
Here are a few more photos I have taken some time ago
One shot the method of the consrtuction of the baseboards which I have been asked about. All of them have been made from 9mm marine ply. The legs fold up within the main sturucture. Another view shows how the layout was at the open day between Christmas and New Year. These are held a number of times a year and all are wellcome.
The final shot showes the air compressor plant that i have made for the layout. This is all hand made with the exception of some of the pipe fittings. This has now been finished and painted. More shots of how the layout is now when I get my camera fixted.
Peter

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:19 pm

Further to Peter's posting above, here are some of my photos I took of GTD when three of the baseboards were exhibited at the Llanberis show a few weeks ago. Obviously lots more work to do on the buildings and scenic side of things, but the addition of the wagons gives it a bit more depth and impression of scale. I am in charge of the freight rolling stock and already got a good fleet of 1950s/60s era ICI hopper wagons and 5-plank ICI opens, 1980s/90s ICI hoppers, 90s/00s PGA hoppers and JGA hoppers. Could do with some Freightliner HIAs, ex Nat Power JHAs and JMAs, and some EWS HOAs just for good measure (HOA future kit from Genesis?)

Enjoy

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Comment posted by Andy C on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:22 pm

Peter

Whats the provenance of the ICI hoppers?
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:50 pm

Hi Andy,

Puts Mr ICI Hopper hat on

The hoppers in the photos are the High Peak casters resin kits produced in 1987 or thereabouts and originally sold through the model shop in Buxton near the Market Square - long since closed. They are basic to say the least but with a bit of work and time can be made into good wagons. I have 7 (1980s/90s livery) plus 4 (50s/60s) of my own plus I look after another 7 (80s/90s) plus 10 (50s/60s) owned by Hazel Grove & DMRS. Plus a further 3 unbuilt examples, one High Peak, one Appleby Model Engineering plus the prototype from John Taylor and a further 5 unbuilt High Peak wagons. Peter also has 5-6 unbuilt High Peak wagons which I need to get on building for the layout!! I have divided the High Peak kits up into three variants, the first with a very heavy cast resin body with no interior hopper, second with improved casting and deeper interior and third ditto with thinner casting of sides and ends as resin casting improved. Rarely do you see examples for sale, so much so I scratchbuilt three new wagons from plasticard onto spare resin underframes.

Peter and me have given serious consideration to developing our own kit for these wagons as a) we will need more for the layout, B) need some more for myself and c) lots of people ask me about them when they are out running on Hazel Grove & DRMS club layout 'Hazel Valley' . People seem very disapointed that you can't get a kit of what is quite an iconic wagon of the steam and diesel eras - lifespan just over 60 years in traffic in daily use. Remember in steam days it was upto 16 loaded, and then 18 loaded with Derby Type 2 Sulzers, then gradual increase with traction type to final days with pair of 37s with 24 loaded. So you couldn't really just buy one kit, you'd really need at least 10 to make a decent looking rake in any era.
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Comment posted by Andy C on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:58 pm

Hi Paul

Ive some etched brass ones (10) on the way courtesy of John Taylor (Uncommon kits) Ive yet got to assess them against the pics / drawings in someones book but pretty sure i can get a good model out of what Ive seen.

they will appear on the new MMRS layout loosely based on Peak Forest (it was to have been called Peak Dale but i understand someone has already blagged that name)
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:20 am

I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask.

Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout??
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Comment posted by sparky on Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:19 am

Brilliant,i'm not into the modern scene as i'm still stuck in a 1950-1960 time warp !!However this is a marvellous bit of work,more please

Cheers,
Geoff
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Comment posted by Andy C on Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:33 am

pharrc20 wrote:
I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask.

Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout??
Thanks Paul

I think John has some - probably obtained off yourself!! Im looking forward to getting stuck into them but John - whos one of my good mates - has his own timescale on Planet Sowerby
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Comment posted by British Railways on Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:57 am

Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it.

Elliott
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??? posted on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:42 pm

British Railways wrote:
Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it.

Elliott
Hi Elliott

All the buildings seen in the shots are scratchbuilt. The main building is made of formboard covered in embossed plasticard with the use of Plastruct sections, griders etc, and micro strip. Have also made use on the round hoppers items such as sprice containers ( I most buy some new ones for Wendy some to replace the bags now used. ) Waste pipe connections from the toliet, not used thank goodness and a section of one of the outside drain pipes which was just the right size. Windowa are either hand made using the old Slaters window system or cut down and modified Dornerplus. Am at the present working on the main hopper building to try and make it into a working loading unit, with real sound. the only kit buit items will be the signal boxes, Ratio but modified, and some of the small huts etc which will be Wills or Ratio. To date some 200 plus hours have been spent on the buildings some of which have not yet been photograped yet.
hope this answers your question. Keep watching

Peter.
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??? posted on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:53 pm

sparky wrote:
Brilliant,i'm not into the modern scene as i'm still stuck in a 1950-1960 time warp !!However this is a marvellous bit of work,more please

Cheers,
Geoff
Hi Geoff
Thanks for your comments very much appreciated. The layout is not just modern scene, I have tried to incorporate form the late 50's to present day but as all ways a little modellers licence has to come in. Pauls main interests lie more in the modern and blue era. Mine is the steam and green era, so we have the best of both worlds. Can you PM me with details of your layout as I am exhibition manager of the Colwyn model railway show at Llandudno and am intrested in your layout.

Peter
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Comment posted by Digital on Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:58 pm

pharrc20 wrote:
I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask.

Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout??
Great layout guys, hope it comes to Colwyn Bay and I can get to see it

Yes Nick did plan on doing Peak Forest at one time but now has built the superb "Holland Park" container layout.

Best wishes
John
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Comment posted by British Railways on Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:21 pm

trains12 wrote:
British Railways wrote:
Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it.

Elliott

Hi Elliott

All the buildings seen in the shots are scratchbuilt. The main building is made of formboard covered in embossed plasticard with the use of Plastruct sections, griders etc, and micro strip. Have also made use on the round hoppers items such as sprice containers ( I most buy some new ones for Wendy some to replace the bags now used. ) Waste pipe connections from the toliet, not used thank goodness and a section of one of the outside drain pipes which was just the right size. Windowa are either hand made using the old Slaters window system or cut down and modified Dornerplus. Am at the present working on the main hopper building to try and make it into a working loading unit, with real sound. the only kit buit items will be the signal boxes, Ratio but modified, and some of the small huts etc which will be Wills or Ratio. To date some 200 plus hours have been spent on the buildings some of which have not yet been photograped yet.
hope this answers your question. Keep watching

Peter. Thank You

Elliott
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By trains12, December 22, 2009
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Comment posted by BlazeyBridge2 on Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:29 pm

Ben A wrote:
However, one observation I would make is this: your posting suggests to me that the comments from your visitors struck a little bit of a nerve. Is this because, having put in all that work, deep down you yourself are not totally convinced by the rockfaces?
I suspect that Ben may have been close here?
I know the area pretty well and the rock faces are pretty good.... but I feel that in this case "pretty good" isnt close enough for you.....

Its hard to tell precisley from a picture on a lap top, and colour perception is a personal thing, but the grey seems to be slightly too grey, needing to be more to the whiter shades and possibly the vertical cracks in the rock should be less pronounced...
but definately not a necessity to start over IMHO
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Comment posted by Pugsley on Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:53 pm

BlazeyBridge2 wrote:
Its hard to tell precisley from a picture on a lap top, and colour perception is a personal thing, but the grey seems to be slightly too grey, needing to be more to the whiter shades and possibly the vertical cracks in the rock should be less pronounced...
but definately not a necessity to start over IMHO
I'd agree with that, having just spent a little while looking at pics of Peak Forest on Fotopic. Fill in the vertical cracks a bit to soften them, then go over what you've got with a lighter palette and include a little brown in there too. Once you've done that, you'll be there, so it's a few tweaks rather than starting all over again IMO.

If you're wavering over whether something is good enough or not, it often helps for someone else to confirm what you've got in the back of your mind, even if it's not necessarily what you wanted to hear at the time!
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??? posted on Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:18 pm

Hi all
Just a quick update on progress. Still wiring up to the main control panel. have over the last 10 days solder up 5x 25way 'D' plug and sockets. plus 4 x 15 way, that is 370 soldered joints , no wunder am going cross eyed. This inbetween laying the track on Martin wales new layout. Still not got my camera back from the show the other week so no new shots of the buildings. All is on line to have it working ready for the clubs showon the 6th & 7th Dec. (sse exhibitions) Will keep you all posted over the next few weeks.
Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:25 am

Phew! Puts me to shame!
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??? posted on Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:38 am

Hi all
Just a quick update. Two more boards have been completed on the wiring and points at the same time as working on Martins layout. Still on target to complete all by the show on the 6& 7th Dec. Have moved my modeling room at home over the last week giving me more space to complete the buildings and as a result work has started on the last two buidings, The loco shed/maintanance shed and the last works building based on Buxton Lime works at Peak Forest.
i hope to post some uptodate shots this weekend. Work has also started on the two Diesels shunters used at the plant. The other one has been delgated to my China Clay layout Porth Eithin. Hope this satisfies the purist out there Looking for operates in this areato help run the layout at shows with paul and I. Any offers? .
Peter
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:08 am

I look forward to seeing some more photos Peter.

I may be tempted to volunteer for driving class 60s!
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Comment posted by mines a pint on Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:42 am

Looks ok to me!
I drove past the place a couple of months ago returning from a camping trip in the peaks, having visited the bit of old railway at Millers Dale, I dont think you are far out, but...

-If there are problems with your model rocks I think it is that the scoring is possibly too deep or maybe a bit too regular (though I can see you have taken some effort to avoid the second?) I dont think the colour is wayout unless the camera is wrongly set?

I'll try find my pics from Millers Dale which has the same type of rock!
you could maybe mix a little fine sand in to the paint which might add texture to the rock surfaces
( but only if you think its required?- I tend to think limestone is fairly smooth (hence comments about the scoring?)
- perhaps the 'detractors' dont realise that )

HTH!
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Comment posted by Waverleywest on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:37 pm

Hi,

As a former geologist I've looked at more rock faces than most people and I definitely don't think you need to start again. I think you need to chop the rock faces about a bit to make them look less regular and to hide or reduce the over-regular cracks a bit.

Fractures in rocks are VERY rarely neat parallel textbook-style cracks. They are usually a jumble of cracks in a rock face, often with a (usually barely) discernible underlying pattern. As several people have commented, it's difficult to tell from a photograph, but the section on the right of your photograph looks pretty darned good to me. I think this is because there isn't the overwhelming regular pattern of cracks that is apparent on the other faces.

But please don't start again!! You're really not far off! I think you've captured the layering of the faces with the grassy ledges spot on!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:48 pm

This photo illustrates the sort of cliff face that Peter is trying to model on GTD. I took this photo of the conveyors leading down to the main loading building off to the left, but it shows the limestone cliffs and grassed outcrops.

HTH
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Comment posted by PMP on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:08 am

From your pics the rock strata looks too regular and the joints too coarse. One way of doing rock is with these Woodland scenics moulds.
http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?pro ... cs&prod=15

For the limestone area I'd try some of these
WC1230
WC1234
WC1236
WC1239
WC1243
WC1244

Basically you can mould plaster in them, and then apply the casting over or in place of your existing rock faces you're unhappy with. I've used them once before and found them easy to get on with and they produce a good result.
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Comment posted by mines a pint on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:54 am

PMP wrote:
From your pics the rock strata looks too regular and the joints too coarse. One way of doing rock is with these Woodland scenics moulds.
http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?pro ... cs&prod=15

For the limestone area I'd try some of these
WC1230
WC1234
WC1236
WC1239
WC1243
WC1244

Basically you can mould plaster in them, and then apply the casting over or in place of your existing rock faces you're unhappy with. I've used them once before and found them easy to get on with and they produce a good result.
I've been looking up stuff on this on the 'net and there is quite alot of material, obviously just like trees, not all rocks are the same!
PMPs method sounds a good one the moulds might not fit your rocks/situation exactly, but see if you like the sound of this one first, you can always still do that!
- this is adapted (to your situation) and I can't remember where the original item was but I'll go looking for it if you fancy this method!
-put a thin layer over the existing rock face, especially making sure the deep scoring is filled but ensuring the whole is covered- thinly
- next get some silver foil, scrunsh it up, and wrap around some scrap wood , then dab on the surface of the rocks , this gives relief but it is fairly shallow (though my main worry here would be bits of rockface adhering to the silver foil!- maybe I didn't read it fully!)
of course a repaint would be needed but its not quite as far as recasting all the rocks, so might be worth a try, you can still recast the rocks if it still doesn't look right HTH

PS: (edit ) if you recast the rocks they would stand proud of the existing ones, which obviously would be a problem if they are right next to the track with small clearances as I think some of the Peak forest ones are? - to remove & replace well ok its an option but if youve been using PVA you cant get a small section out without moving half the rest of the layout too - 'Stronger than the wood itself' etc, etc!!
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??? posted on Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:56 pm

Thanks all for the info. on the rock faces. I think that for the time being I am going to leave them and see what it all looks like when the scenery is completed. At present still completing the wiring and the connectors to the main panels. Does anyone know of a clear transparent stickey back sheet that I can run through my A3 printer after I have printed the track diagrams onto it and then stick this down onto my contol panel to allow the colour of the panel plastic sheet (cream in this case ) to show through. I have tried laminating sheets but they dont take the ink from the printer, and also have tried overhead film which take the ink but then have to use a glue to stick them down onto the panel which then shows a mess of glue streaks through the film. Any sugestions.
Regards Peter
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Comment posted by nevardmedia on Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:27 pm

Good idea
I think once you have more grass (hairy hopefully?) and undergrowth on it will look far more like you intend - having been to the location it's based on. Final colour tweeks (simply washes and dry brushing would do the job) are often best left until much later when you can properly appraise what's going on with everything else in its place
You have something special here

I wonder if a commercial vinyl/banner printer could do what you want?
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??? posted on Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:14 pm

Hi all
Just a couple of shots of the state of the lime kilns as promised.
Peter

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Comment posted by mines a pint on Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:16 pm

Impressive! (size and quality)
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Comment posted by MoundCity on Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:33 am

Ya gotta love that lime kiln. It also effectively puts to work vertical space which is so often under utilized. With having a surprisingly narrow hoofprint, it is a very impressive structure. Sure enjoy seeing good work like that.
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Comment posted by Pugsley on Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:47 pm

Wow, that is one seriously impressive structure!
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??? posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:44 pm

Hi all
Work is steadily plodding along finishing the wiring and the buildings. Basic layout with wiring complete is still on target for the show on 6th & 7th Dec. at Talysarn Community Centre (any offers of help to operate greatfully received )
Meanwhile Paul and myself have been turning our attentions to stock. Mainly the manufacture of 70 of the old ICI hopper wagons. These will be etched body with cast metal chassis and additional castings. We were hoping to go into production with these by Christmas but due to the current economic climate we are holding back to see if things improve. There will be surplus kits produced which will be available for sale.
One other area that is in production is a few of the special wagons that have been used around the site over the years at Tunstead and these I am attempting to build and hope to have a couple of them finished for the show. Paul meanwhile is weathering some of the modern image wagons and engines.
Hope to post some more photos this weekend keep the posts coming with your comments
Rgards
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:27 am

Now that is what you call modelling!

Fantastic work Peter, keep the photos coming. Look forward to seeing more......
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Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:36 am

Looking good Peter ,

might get over to see you next year (and vice versa I hope) - only been ... too many ... years
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??? posted on Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:23 pm

Hi all
At long last the end of the wiring is in sight . Only two boards to complete and then at the show on the 6th & 7th Dec it can all be tested. Meanwhile a shot of some of the wiring under the boards. For the time being I have decided to leave the rock faces as they are until all the foliage has been completed then it will be looked at again.
Peter

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Comment posted by Matthew2h1 on Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:38 pm

looks great all that hard work and effort has paid off in a great looking layout at least i think so it looks amazing

From Matt
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??? posted on Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:45 pm

Hi all
Well it is getting nere to GTD's first outing, The show at Tal y sarn this weekend 6th & 7th (see Exhibitions) so all you local guys in RM come along and see it and tell me what you think of it so far. or
One other matter dose anyone out there have any unmade Crownline Kits of the 9F crosti kit and the rebuilt crosti that they dont want and would sell. We need a couple to try and convert the new Bachmann 9Fs as thses were used around that area in the 1960's. Hope somebody can help.
peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:02 pm

Peter-why don't you post the above in 'Wanted'
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:38 am

Regretably demands of the new job won't allow me to get to the show but all I can wish you is all the best!

The BL dios have had to take a bit of a back seat for the last few months but, with luck they'll be back on show in a few weeks!

BL
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Comment posted by pilotfriend on Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:52 pm

This is exceptional industrial modelling. Well done...so impressive
best wishes and keep up the good work
John
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??? posted on Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:43 am

hi all
Just a couple of shots of the small diesel engine that I started last week. Much of the inspiration for this must go to Neil. He gave me the push.The cab is an old airfix 03 shunnter the body a old matchbox toy with a new under frame from plastic card and bits of fittings from the junk box. It is powered by a Tenshodo spud but on test running needs a good deal of lead fitting to give it the power to pull any wagons. It still needs handrails couplings and small details before painting. It is to be used on both GTD and on my new extention to my china clay layout Porth Eithin.
Peter

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:57 pm

Nice work from a cheap toy and different! Ideal for Porth Eithin
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Comment posted by Baby Deltic on Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:05 pm

Looks like part of the good old Matchbox shunter. I'll bet they're getting rare now.
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:55 pm

A bit rarer still now! Mind you it's upped the value of the remaning ones by a fraction!
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Comment posted by Ruston on Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:31 pm

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:25 pm

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.
In fact the two we are going to model for GTD will be based on two rebuilds of 0-4-0 steam shunters into 0-4-0 diesel shunters as converted by ICI back in the late 60s, RS/8 and RS/142 'Trevithick', which at first glance would appear to be total works of fiction but are based on real examples. Besides it's Peters layout, so he says goes IMO. As Peter said, he got the inspiration for his fictional shunter from Neil Rushby, who I believe made another fictional shunter for Martin 'Wales' Jones. I suppose we could model the Ruston shunter that was trialled at Tunstead in the 60s as well along with the class 08 lookalike 0-6-0 EE Diesel-Electric shunters, both of which we have photos of working at Tunstead.

Paul
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Comment posted by PaulCheffus on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:32 am

Ruston wrote:

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.
Hi

Personally I think it makes a nice model and is something different.

Cheers

Paul
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Comment posted by david_ford_85 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:59 am

PaulCheffus wrote:
Ruston wrote:

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.

Hi

Personally I think it makes a nice model and is something different.

Cheers

Paul Me too, I think its brilliant, an excellent use of what was itself a quite nice toy.

David
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??? posted on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:24 pm

Ruston wrote:

I don't get it. I don't mean to be rude but why? The rest of the layout is superb, especially the buildings. It looks so much like a real location that I recognise (Great Rocks Junction?) You've obviously got a great deal of modelling skill so why spoil it for a ha'pennorth of tar? i.e making up a fictitious shunter out of bits and pieces. Especially when there are suitable kits of prototypical shunters available. The Judith Edge Steelman Royale or the Sentinel/Rollls Royce would be ideally suited to the location modelled.

It's one of my pet hates when people pay great attention to the rest of the layout and the mainline stock, moaning that so-and-so wagon has got the wrong brake gear or such-and-such tender had the wrong axleboxes but when it comes to industrial shunters anything goes.

I'll get me coat now. Sorry.
Hi Dave
i take your point but it was just a spur of the moment to make it before I got into the more serious modelling again on the buidings. One thing is that it is not totally freelance has it is based, I admitt loosely, on a North British Co. design from the early 1950,s of which I have some shots in a book. The main differances are the font cab windows and the length of the bonnet. The exhust when built was differrent but in later years before it was I belived scrapped it was fitted with the exhust as modelled. The main shutters that are being made for it are copies of ones made in the South Works Shops as paul has stated.
Regrds Peter
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Comment posted by Bomp on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:30 pm

I'd like to be able to knock something like that up as a bit of playtime! Nice loco. I have a few of the Matchbox shunters, but couldn't bring myself to cut them up like that!
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Comment posted by mines a pint on Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:43 pm

Bomp wrote:
I'd like to be able to knock something like that up as a bit of playtime! Nice loco. I have a few of the Matchbox shunters, but couldn't bring myself to cut them up like that!
Likewise, I cant see what harm there is in 'freelance' loco's even on a 'serious' layout, besides once its painted and somebody sees it at an exhibition someone will swear theres one just like it somewhere anywhere! , 'till I can find the necessary 'wedge' for a DJH Barclay Saddletank, I'm going to have a go at hacking up a Hornby 'caley' pug to represent an NCB loco, if it turns out half as well as this I'd be well pleased!

That is another factor with these no doubt well researched 'kit' industrials, they aint cheap, so if you can knock something together as well as this then all the best! the diecast section has nice rivet detail and no doubt adds useful weight to the loco
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??? posted on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:37 pm

Well I am back at doing some modelling of the building kind now after a hectic last few weeks. Not much has been done on the main layout but hopefully that will change in the next few weeks. Have now started to paint some of the smaller items on the buildings realising that I can not now get to all the fine details due to the increasing pipe work and other fittings that are being attached. The detailing of the vertical lime kilns themselves is now under way (pictures to follow) and some of the old derelict shutes and other small objects, one of these being the funny little round concrete huts. Paul and I saw these at Tunstead but until we visited the site did not know what they were. In fact they are portable blast shelters for the workmen when blasting was taking place in the old days
These have been made from the small plastic retainers from inside Kinder Suprise Eggs. They are glued onto a base and the door is built up with micro strip and daz modelling clay then sanded down.

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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:32 am

Peter, all I can say is wow! Stunning, that really is.

Can??????????¬???????t wait to see the painted buildings on the layout. Can I come and bring some of my 60s for a play?!!!
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:15 pm

The buildings look even better close up
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??? posted on Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:27 am

Grimleygrid wrote:
Peter, all I can say is wow! Stunning, that really is.

Can??????????¬???????t wait to see the painted buildings on the layout. Can I come and bring some of my 60s for a play?!!!
Hi Grimleygrid
Thanks or the comments. It is hoped that the club is holding a small show / open day at Talsarn village hall in December when we hope to have GTD up and running so you are most welcome to bring the 60's. Between Paul and myself we have about four i think. The buildings will not all be finnished but it is hoped that some of the scenary will be done. Will post on here in the next week or so the dates when confirmed. May be looking for operators for that weekend as well as my other two layouts will be there together with the clubs 1mm layout and two other members layouts so we are a bit short of helpers.
Peter
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Comment posted by matty-a7x on Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:12 am

I think this is going to be a great layout. I also realy like the shunter you are making
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:12 pm

Hi Peter, thanks for the invite. I would love to come along with my 60 fleet and see GTD in the flesh but it is quite a long way for me to travel, but you never know??????????¬?‚?¦??????????¬?‚?¦

Look forward to seeing more updates.
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Comment posted by matto21 on Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:02 pm

I really like the little shunter, looks really cool! Wouldnt mind building something like this myself! Is it painted yet?
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:04 pm

Refresh my memory Pete-was that the first or second weekend in December?
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Comment posted by pilotfriend on Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:14 pm

The plant you have built appears to me to be to professional standards....marvellous....and as far as I am concerned, if you want that shunter, its your layout for God's sake.
regards
JOhn
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??? posted on Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:34 pm

matto21 wrote:
I really like the little shunter, looks really cool! Wouldnt mind building something like this myself! Is it painted yet?
Hi Matt
No it is still to be finnished yet ben working on the buildings also have not yet thought of a colour scheme.

Peter
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??? posted on Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:42 pm

Hi all
Well the next few weeks are going to be very busy. To day the club has booked the 6th & 7th of December for are open day show at Talsarn Village Hall in Talsarn. this on the stie of the old railway station. Have to get GTD complete on the wiring. It is going to be its first outing and the show is to be used as a try out that all works OK and it all fits It will appear as a workin hand layout to gether with 4 or 5 other club members layouts. So if any RM members fancy giving a hand all will be most wellcome. Just drop me a message.
Cheers Peter
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??? posted on Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:47 pm

Hi all
Just a quick update. Have spent the last 10 days still on the wiring, finished all fiddle yard and am on main part now putting point motors on. Am posting photo of rock faces on GTD because we have had some Americans in and a guy from down south who all know the area very well and say that the rock faces are not very good and don't do anything for the layout. Just wondering whether should hack all faces off and start again as I know they are not dead correct but had depressed me a bit considering the amount of time I spent creating them. Comments please.
Regards
Peter

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Comment posted by Ben A on Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:36 pm

Hi Peter,

Although I'm an N-gauger, I've been following this thread with particular interest. I'm especially fascinated by Peak Forest traffic, and I am in awe of the quality and detailing of the large scale structures you are building.

As for the scenic modelling, and specifically the rock faces, in all honesty it is very difficult to judge the quality merely from photographs.

However, one observation I would make is this: your posting suggests to me that the comments from your visitors struck a little bit of a nerve. Is this because, having put in all that work, deep down you yourself are not totally convinced by the rockfaces?

I hasten to add that I speak from experience - there have been occasions when I've been honestly unsure whether I've "nailed" a thing or not and therefore asked someone who I trust - possibly seeking validation. I'm simultaneously angry and yet slightly relieved when they confirm my fears - that actually, something I've spent a lot of time on needs a little bit more work!!

Hope that helps!

cheers

Ben A.
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??? posted on Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:05 am

Phil wrote:
trains12 wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick update as to what has gone on this last week. I have not been able to complete all the connections on the electrics due to a few problems at home ( leaking roof after the heavy rains) and having the new roof windows done at last at the unit which curtailed me working there for two day (H&S) Any way work now well under way on the electrics. Hope to have it operational by weekend on the main circuit. Have also done some work on the building for the South Works.
Paul and I have decided to hold a open day down at the unit on the Sat. 26th July when all will be welcome. So please come along and see us.
Regards Peter.

Hi Peter
A very impressive layout indeed.

Not sure if you've run the first train, but if you havn't it can only be an 8F.

As for the open day date - do you realise it clashes with another event in RMweb land ? Chasewater

Cheers Hi Phil
It has not run yet due to me running out of D connectors. I thought I had some but most have have used them on another layout. Trying to get some more today.
I know it is the groups show that day but it is so that some of the local lads who would have gone the the Welsh National Model show here in North Wales on that day which has been cancelled can come and see the layout .
At present surrgestions for the frist engine are 8F , 9F Class 37 Class 66 so I may double head the steam and the desiels one each track at the same time.
See you
Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:41 pm

You're there the 27th as well, right Peter?
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??? posted on Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:13 am

MartinWales wrote:
You're there the 27th as well, right Peter?
Hi Martin
Yes will be there on the Sunday as well if any one wants to come that day but will only be there till about 3.00pm due to Paul having to get back home Via Bangor. The D connectors should be here to day so I can finnish the wiring on the main line.Gerry down last weekend so out yesterday on WHR so little work has been done over the weekend.
Peter
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Comment posted by matto21 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:40 pm

Good looking layout!

Good to see there's other modellers in N Wales!
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??? posted on Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:42 am

Hi All
This weeks update has a moral behind it. ??????????¬?‹?“Less haste more speed??????????¬??????? has certainly been the story this week. In trying to finish the wiring on the main running lines I first soldered up a 25 way D connect the wrong way round so I desoldered on half and decided to use a new half only to find when I had resolder the 25 joints that I now had two plugs instead of a plug and socket .So the whole process was repeated again.

I then found that on one board that I hade forgotten to put in some cables only to find that I had in sufficient room in the D connector so again I had to desolder and fit a larger D connector. I can tell you the air was a little blue . I was nearly at the point of putting an axe through the lot. In the end a stepped back and did few of the little mundane jobs . 'Less haste more speed?'

Anyway some work has been done on the South Works building and the over bridge at the end of the works, so the layout should be running for the open days on the 26th & 27th of the month.
peter

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??? posted on Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:00 pm

Hi all
good news. First time today a engine ran on the layout, admittedly it was only a short distance of about 5ft but it ran Then stopped. It is the same old problem last haste more speed. Found number of minor faults missed wiresor crossed wires but it is welcome that upto now they are only a few
Should have all the main lines running by next weekend when we will be open both days for anyone to come and play trains.
Peter
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??? posted on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:12 pm

Work has progressed well this week on the electrics and are on target for a complete run round of the layout for this Sat. Paul is down from Manchester with some of the stock so it should be a fun weekend If any one wants to bring their engines and stock then dont forget it is 16.5mm fine scale that we are running. Hope to see some of you over the weekend. Let us know if you can make it.
Peter
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:21 am

Hi Peter,

Very impressive. Can't wait to see photos of the stock running, especially some 60s on the JGAs!

Oh and some pairs of Railfreight 37s!
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:32 am

trains12 wrote:
Work has progressed well this week on the electrics and are on target for a complete run round of the layout for this Sat. Paul is down from Manchester with some of the stock so it should be a fun weekend If any one wants to bring their engines and stock then dont forget it is 16.5mm fine scale that we are running. Hope to see some of you over the weekend. Let us know if you can make it.
Peter
With any luck, Sunday afternoon.See you!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:43 am

In my suitcase (its the only practical way of getting the stock to Peters by train!) is a box of Peter's BLI JGA hoppers newly weathered, a box of 50s/60s era ICI hoppers, a box of ICI 5-plank opens and three locos, a BR livery black 8F, an EWS 60, and EWS 66. I will try and take some short video clips on my phone and post them to my youtube account when I get back home to give you all an idea of what the layout looks like with trains running round. Plus some photos as well. I would have liked to taken more stock but only got so much room in the suitcase. Perhaps 37/5s and 80s ICI hoppers next time?

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:45 am

I'l look forward to that Paul ,and hope to see you both sometime Sunday!
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:48 pm

Look forward to seeing the photos Paul, especially the EWS 60 on the BLI JGAs!
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??? posted on Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:11 am

All set to go main lines running. Dont forget to come and see us
Peter
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??? posted on Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:42 pm

Hi All,
Peter and Paul here. We had a productive day working on the layout and managed to eliminate a few problems and the first train make a sucessful continuous circuit of the inner line was a Bachmann 221 Super Voyager. Quickly followed by a change of stock to a Hornby 8F and 15 ICI hopper wagons. Then a bit more electrical work to wire up the live frog 3-way points in the fiddle yard to allow the other roads to be brought into use. Then we tried a Bachmann 20 and 25 in green on the outer track, which was largely sucessful apart from one dead section to be sorted out Sunday am. Paul took some video on his phone of the Voyager going round the layout viewed from within the layout well and also outside the well. Also running on was a Bachmann 3-car green cl 108 DMU. More stock will be operated on Sunday, so all are welcome to come and visit. We will take some photos and more video tomorrow. Branches and a few other friends called as well during the day. I am beginning to feel that the last nine months has been well worth the effort.

Cheers Peter
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??? posted on Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:42 pm

Hi All
Well at long last the photos of the trains running. Paul will post the video clips in the next day or so but to be going on for the time being in no particular order are some of the shots. I think there is no need to say what they are. More will follow in the next few days. I am over the moon that it worked ok after nine months work both at the unit and at The Railway Study Centre. Still a few minor snags to work out but no big problems.
Peter with tears in his eyes

Oh yes what happened to Matin back in an hour Wales Still waiting for him to come.

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:49 pm

Peter-Sorry I could'nt make it, but events have happened this weekend that were beyond my control

I will be looking forward to seeing it vey soon though!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:19 pm

Hi All,

Okay I hope this will work!! Here are four clips of GTD with trains running on it. Two with a Bachmann Virgin Super Voyager and two with a Hornby 9F hauling a rake of 15 loaded ICI hoppers plus brakevan. YouTube reduces the quality of the video captured by my phone but it is still good footage. Onwards and upwards with the stock now!

Voyager
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MFNA9BukkYI Christian/? rmweb member (in grey) and Peter/trains12 (in red) in background

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wb_ThUs_MQo

9F on hoppers
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U_dJeaeN5tY

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KOoCyXPHXto
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??? posted on Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:30 pm

Now you have seen some of the photos and the videos any comments? Main work now starts on the scenery, buildings and wiring control panels for all the points. Welcome your views
Peter
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:48 pm

Hi Peter,

As yet I haven't seen the videos but the photos look good to me. That is going to be one seriously impressive layout!
The buildings are just unbelievable; the quality of modelling is first class. Can just imagine a train pulling up ready for loading.

When are you planning to have it finished?

More photos please, especially of 60s in action!
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:29 pm

Very impressive Peter-Do like the vids!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:21 am

Grimleygrid wrote:
Hi Peter,

More photos please, especially of 60s in action!
We did have two Hornby EWS 60s running round on the outer track on the BLI hoppers but they kept on derailing at the same crossing and on closer examination it was a tight back to back on one wheelset on both locos, causing it to strike the rail and derail. Also the said rail needed a bit of fettling. Hopefully Peter has managed to sort the problem out and the 60s will resume duties. So it pays to check the back to backs of new locos when using them straight out of the box.
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:24 am

Well at least you have sorted out the track problems. I look forward to seeing more photos!
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??? posted on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:23 pm

Hi all
Been awhile since I posted anything but due to other projects ( planning the Holyhead show and also a show at the Welsh Slate Museum) very little work has been done. Fear not over the next few weeks work will advance again so please keep watching.
Peter
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??? posted on Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:14 pm

Hi all
At present we are building some of the diesel shunters for operation on GTD and looking at the small shunter that Neil has made for Martin Wales Tryweryn Sidings layout gave me an idea for a small matchbox shunter that I obtained the other week for 50p. What I have done is cut the cab off this and am grafting on the cab out of an old Airfix 03 shunter and using tenshodo 0-4-0 motor bogie inside the frames to make a similar stylee shunter
Below are a couple of shots of the 2 items cut and ready to assemble together. Further shots will be as it is built
Peter

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:29 pm

Actually Pete, the little shunter is meant for Kinmundy 'Works'
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??? posted on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:13 am

Hi Gareth,
Thanks for the comments
No we have no small plan of the layout but it is 28ft long by 10 ft 6" wide. The main plan is 28ft long for the track layout but a small plan is something that we most do so that it can be posted. Diesels will be run on the layout, the running period is from steam days to present day. Class 20's, 31's, 37's, 40's, 45's, 47's, 56's, 59's, 60's, 66's and the small industrial shunters and 08's wiil be run.
Paul is in charge of the stock side so he is the best one to tell what is what and when it is running.
Peter
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??? posted on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:22 pm

Hi all,
Despite the yucky weather outside , Peter and Paul (no Mary!) have finally managed to get all the boards bar one up in the unit workshop today. Here are a few photos of the boards. We also discovered that the alignment of the end corner boards to the the fiddle yard boards is running half inch out. Not bad considering that it has been built individually and this is the first time we have managed to assemble the layout with both corner end boards. That did involve shuffling the layout up by about 2 foot to allow us to build the corner end boards over the existing shop counter.

Aerial view of the lower sidings looking towards the site of the main loader

Corner end boards with last board linking to the fiddle yard board to be inserted. Cliff faces, track and tunnel yet to be built.

Track level view along sidings leading towards what will become the Buxton Lime Firms works off to the right

Looking from BLF sidings towards main line tunnel with quarry sidings and lines passing through cutting beyond

Looking towards lower sidings with limestone cliffs dominating the background

Hopefully by the end of next week, the main running lines through to the fiddle yard will be laid and wired and then we can try and run a train around for the first time! Watch this space.

Cheers Peter and Paul
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Comment posted by dyserthroad on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:26 pm

Looking good, very impressive.
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:28 pm

Wow. This has come along so much since my visit a few weeks ago! When do you envisage having something running?
BL
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??? posted on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:58 pm

Hi Dave,
Hoping to have something running next weekend, but since the unit roof needs repairing (leaking in ) it might be just after that. Plus I need to link all the wires across the board joins for the mainline track feeds and cross my fingers!!!

Cheers Peter
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??? posted on Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:52 pm

Hi All
Just back from the unit. The final board is now in place and doweled in place cork down ready for the final track laying tomorrow. Am jut finishing (letting glue dry) the carcass of the control pannel for the fiddle yard. hope tonight to start the wiring up of this before it is fitted to the layout.

Cheers Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:42 pm

Looking highly impressive Pete
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??? posted on Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:45 pm

Hi All
Well its done . The final length of track has been laid today and GTD has track all the way round. Now after 7 months of work on the layout it is hoped that within the next few days we will have a engine running round. But what will it be An 8F, 9F, Class 60, 66 or a 37 in Green Let me know what it should be. There is still a lot to do now, Finnish the wireing connect the point motors. Finnish the controll panels before a start on the flocking of the layout. But with the track fininshed its is now looking like a layout.

Cheers Peter

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:31 pm

Excellent work Mister Midwinter. Were the reclaimed points okay?

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:34 pm

Excellent work indeed Paul. And very inpressive too!
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??? posted on Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:05 pm

pharrc20 wrote:
Excellent work Mister Midwinter. Were the reclaimed points okay?

Cheers Paul
Hi Master Paul
Yes OK but had to alter the mirror image because the crossings on the curve comming into the yard are the opposite way round to the other side. Have used a further 3 way and large y instead of some of the straights. Window on the roof has been done today will be tyding up tomorrow then full steam ahead. When or you down next. How about an openday at the unit 26/27 July so that we can (in Wendys words ) play toy trains. The more the merrier martine , Dave, Neil, Ken and the rest of you.

Cheers Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:32 pm

Hi

All
Just a quick update. Working on the electrics to try and have a engine running around the main line on Sat. but forgot that I had a medical appointment today so have lost some time Never mind working on the fiddle yard control pannel on the dining table at home.See pict, below. Dose any one know if someone makes crash barriers in 4 mm scale. Ta.
Cheers Peter.
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Comment posted by saizei on Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:19 pm

it should be a class 66 with heavy hauls looking good keep up the good work
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:24 pm

I can muster a FLH 66/5 or 66/6 with CAIB PGAs (aka rustbuckets!!) and add 4 HHAs to the rake to sort of represent the early Dowlow-Cottam flow. Until some nice RTR manufacturer does the HIAs then we are a bit stuck.

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by nevardmedia on Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:46 pm

Seriously impressive BIG modelling! This will be one to kep an eye out for if it's destined to get out on the road from time to time
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:35 pm

Very Impressive Peter! Did you want a hand tommorrow then?
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??? posted on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:17 pm

Martin
Sent a pm but it is stuck in out box. Will be at unit from 10-00am till about 2-00pm
See you
Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:42 pm

nevardmedia wrote:
Seriously impressive BIG modelling! This will be one to kep an eye out for if it's destined to get out on the road from time to time
Hi Chris
Thanks for the comments. It has been built as the new exhibition layout to replace my old Bxworth Sidings layout which was retired some years ago. The only problem is that the one show it was book for has been cancelled so we are on the lookout for some shows to take it to. It is 28ft by 10.5ft wide. if there is anyone out there who would like it just drop us a line. It will now be completed by Oct at the latest this year.
Regards Peter
Ps Love your layouts.
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:06 am

trains12 wrote:
Martin
Sent a pm but it is stuck in out box. Will be at unit from 10-00am till about 2-00pm
See you
Peter
Cheers!
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Comment posted by Pitbull1845 on Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:21 pm

Looking good Peter, the trackwork looks very impressive.. as does the rest of the layout of course... I'm sure there will be plenty of interest for shows...
Scott
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:47 pm

I dropped by to visit Peter earlier on to see the completed extent of the layout and the photos don't really do the the layout justice-fantastic!
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??? posted on Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:23 pm

Hi all,
Just a quick update as to what has gone on this last week. I have not been able to complete all the connections on the electrics due to a few problems at home ( leaking roof after the heavy rains) and having the new roof windows done at last at the unit which curtailed me working there for two day (H&S) Any way work now well under way on the electrics. Hope to have it operational by weekend on the main circuit. Have also done some work on the building for the South Works.
Paul and I have decided to hold a open day down at the unit on the Sat. 26th July when all will be welcome. So please come along and see us.
Regards Peter.

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Comment posted by saizei on Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:31 am

wow that fiddle yard is bigger than my whole layout lol, wish i had the space for a fiddle yard that size lol. keep up the good work,

P.S you should make a video of it when its up and running
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Comment posted by Phil on Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:08 am

trains12 wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick update as to what has gone on this last week. I have not been able to complete all the connections on the electrics due to a few problems at home ( leaking roof after the heavy rains) and having the new roof windows done at last at the unit which curtailed me working there for two day (H&S) Any way work now well under way on the electrics. Hope to have it operational by weekend on the main circuit. Have also done some work on the building for the South Works.
Paul and I have decided to hold a open day down at the unit on the Sat. 26th July when all will be welcome. So please come along and see us.
Regards Peter.
Hi Peter
A very impressive layout indeed.

Not sure if you've run the first train, but if you havn't it can only be an 8F.

As for the open day date - do you realise it clashes with another event in RMweb land ? Chasewater

Cheers
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Comment posted by TomB on Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:23 am

This looks awesome, i cant wait to see more progress.
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Comment posted by PaulCheffus on Sat May 31, 2008 7:19 pm

trains12 wrote:
Hi All
Just a small update this week. have been doing other things (uder pressure from the wife Wendy ) so on the layout little has been done other than some more of the plastering. Most of the work this week has been on the vertical lime klins on the piping. Some shots of this. Can anyone help me. I am looking for a small 6in. mitre block which is either adjustable for the angles or already has angles of 22, 30, 60, etc already cut in. I have the normal standard one with 90 and 45 in but have no means of cutting in other angles. Be glad of any help.
Sorry about the shots being a bit fuzzy camera needs a service , a bit like me.
Peter.
Hi

Would the NorthWest Short Lines Chopper be of any use (90, 45, 60 & 30 degree but not 22)?

http://www.nwsl.com/Catalog/pg010-cat2-00-v0611.pdf

Cheers

Paul
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??? posted on Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:37 am

Hi Paul
Thanks for the info. Its looks very good. Who are the stockist in this country. Might also be good to have some in the shop.
Regards Peter
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Comment posted by PaulCheffus on Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:55 pm

trains12 wrote:
Hi Paul
Thanks for the info. Its looks very good. Who are the stockist in this country. Might also be good to have some in the shop.
Regards Peter
Hi Peter

I bought mine from Micro Mark in the States but I think Acme Model Co supply them in the UK.

Acme Model Co
PO Box 69
Hampton
Middlesex
TW12 3NA

0208 9790672

Cheers

Paul
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??? posted on Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:57 am

PaulCheffus wrote:
trains12 wrote:
Hi Paul
Thanks for the info. Its looks very good. Who are the stockist in this country. Might also be good to have some in the shop.
Regards Peter

Hi Peter

I bought mine from Micro Mark in the States but I think Acme Model Co supply them in the UK.

Acme Model Co
PO Box 69
Hampton
Middlesex
TW12 3NA

0208 9790672

Cheers

Paul Hi Paul
Sorry not been back . line problems with BT. Thanks for the info will check it out.
cheers Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:03 am

Hi all
Just a quick update. Nearly all the basic scenic plastering has been completed and some of the basic painting has completed.
A departure from the building in situ for the scrubbers on the vertical lime kilns has been the arrval of one of Europes largest cranes that will lift the last scrubber into place. It takes a day to errect the crane on site. Will post some shots of this when the final lift is in place.

Wife sayes we are "Kids with Toys"
Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:07 pm

Hi All
Just arrived back from GTD and the crane has arrived and been set up for the final big lift tomorrow lifting the last scrubber in place. A couple of shots of the crane enclosed.
Some of the track has been sprayed inside the unit but nearly chocked us with the spray this will have to be done outside by dismantling the layout inside and errecting it outside. Will keep you posted.

regards Peter

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??? posted on Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:19 pm

Hi all
well I have final started to spay the track and here is the first shots of it. Other work that has been done has been the building of the two tunnel mouths wich are now on the paintind bench at home and will it is hoped be installed in the next few days. Also work on the main buildings is coming along but the other day ground the tip of my finger will the belt sander while thining some part down.Any way ashot of the back of the scubbers showing the piping coming out from the top of the klins.
The main new is that the large crane place the last scrubber in place so the klins can now be completed so some shots of this takeing place. And details needed due us a reply.
Cheers
Peter

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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:00 pm

Very impressive, Peter.
What paint did you use on the track?
BL
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??? posted on Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:27 am

Bangor Lad wrote:
Very impressive, Peter.
What paint did you use on the track?
BL
Hi Dave
Thanks for comments. The crane was a bit of fun

The track paint is Precision Paints Track Dirt (matt) sprayed with a touch up gun. Normally I would have sprayed the track before the scenics being done but on this layout many things have been done wrong way round. The problem is that you cannot get in with the gun as it is to large and causes over spray and uses to much paint. Need to get a new small one.

Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:28 am

Looking good Pete!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:17 pm

It's coming along now, with the track being sprayed and some colour added to the cliff faces. Good to see that the curtain rail hooks solved the problem of the pipe bends on the limekilns pipework. Looking forward to seeing GTD in two weeks time

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:55 pm

trains12 wrote:
Bangor Lad wrote:
Lovely scrubbers Peter
Not 100% sure of what you'r looking for in the mitre block. Have you tried an adjustable set square to mark out the angles?
BL

Hi Dave
Its not the actual marking out that is the problem but the cutting of them. One of the troubles that I have is that i have Arthritis in both my wrists and cutting down square with the saw is hard going for me so I use a X acto mitre block for the cutting of all my girder sections, tubes etc but they only have the 90 45 degrees on them so after I have marked say 35 degree angle with the protractor it is hard to cut it square.
Peter Hi Peter,
I just came across this and thought it might fit the bill if you've not already got something.

Regards
D
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:00 pm

Sorry Peter,

Couldn't load the link. Will try again later.

D
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:33 pm

Bangor Lad wrote:
Sorry Peter,

Couldn't load the link. Will try again later.

D
Hi Peter,
Came across a multi-angle guillotine in the Proops Brothers e-Bay shop. Might be worth a look?

BL
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??? posted on Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:14 pm

D
Hi Peter,
Came across a multi-angle guillotine in the Proops Brothers e-Bay shop. Might be worth a look?

BL
Hi all

Dave thanks for the link am looking into it.
Update this wek is not to much work has been done due editing the HMRS Points newsletter. Anyway some more spraying of the track has been completed but my small spay gun is playing up so it is becoming very time consuming. Will have to get a new one. Work at home is still ongoing with the vertical lime kiln building but iit is nearing the stage for painting. Two shots posted showing my Fell Diesel outside the south box, This box will be replaced with a Midland style box when I have finished it.
Peter

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??? posted on Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:03 pm

Hi All
Well Friday 13th has lived up to its day with me. first this morning my trusted spary gun used on the track packs in and I cae home from the unit a bit Fed Up So I decided to spray some of the lime kilns with my good air brush and guess what ? Yes you have it my good air brush has packed in still with alot of spraying to do. Mined you with hind sight I should have sprayed many of the items individually. Most remeber that in future. Dose any one else have problems like this. Anyway some shots of the spraying to date.
Peter

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:02 am

So it was'nt just me that had a crap 13th then!
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Comment posted by BEN TRUCK on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:20 am

Hi Peter
Yes , just when you thought you had all that spare time to paint and air brush it turns into "maintenance time", and nothing gets done .i think i,ve replaced nearly all the bolt on parts of my compressor over the last 4 years ,what was that in Fools and Horses ,"I,ve had this brush for 15 years ........5 heads and 8 handles, ................your structures are superb and stand up very well to close scrutiny ,where as mine ......................mmmm?
lovely stuff
cheers
Brian
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??? posted on Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:26 pm

BEN TRUCK wrote:
Hi Peter
Yes , just when you thought you had all that spare time to paint and air brush it turns into "maintenance time", and nothing gets done .i think i,ve replaced nearly all the bolt on parts of my compressor over the last 4 years ,what was that in Fools and Horses ,"I,ve had this brush for 15 years ........5 heads and 8 handles, ................your structures are superb and stand up very well to close scrutiny ,where as mine ......................mmmm?
lovely stuff
cheers
Brian
Hi Brian
Thanks for the comments. Gave up on the spraying and obtained a cheap and nasty ??????‚??3.99 air brush to finish track spraying. Did most of the job but a little over spray. One thing though I forgot to wear a mask and spent 4 hours in the unit with out realising the fumes and fog of the spraying was getting on my chest. Have spent today cutting out the windows in the South Works building back at the Centre so that the fog will clear in the unit. Will post some views of this when I have assembled it together tonight.

Regards Peter
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??? posted on Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:48 pm

Hi All
A bit of bad news went down to the unit tonight toget some items and found that the roof windows in the roof over the layout have leaked yet again with the heavy rain . The landlords have stated that they would be done but we are still waiting. At present the end board up of the fiddle yard is a little wet and a small amunt has gone on the front boards at the entrance to the main hopper yard Any way the whole layout is coverd in bin liners with some old empty ice cream tubs to catch the drips. just hope that it will be ok in the morning. Will keep you all posted.#
Peter
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??? posted on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:20 pm

Hi all
Good news the layout has not suffor to much and is already drying out. Roof will be done next week at last. Anyway some shots of the south works building as promised and two shots of the painting of the scenery before the flocking stage.

Peter

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:57 pm

Looking good Peter, glad it wasn't damaged
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:05 am

Looking good, Peter.
I'll have to call in again some time soon...I could do with a tutorial on modelling the rockfaces!

BL
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Comment posted by saizei on Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:31 pm

everytime i look at this layout it gets better and better, keep it up look forward to seeing the end product

Thanks and Best
Gary
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Comment posted by garethevans1986 on Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:10 pm

I do agree, looks very nice, have you got a layout plan for it?

Any plans for running diesels on it?

GE
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Comment posted by PaulCheffus on Sat May 31, 2008 7:19 pm

trains12 wrote:
Hi All
Just a small update this week. have been doing other things (uder pressure from the wife Wendy ) so on the layout little has been done other than some more of the plastering. Most of the work this week has been on the vertical lime klins on the piping. Some shots of this. Can anyone help me. I am looking for a small 6in. mitre block which is either adjustable for the angles or already has angles of 22, 30, 60, etc already cut in. I have the normal standard one with 90 and 45 in but have no means of cutting in other angles. Be glad of any help.
Sorry about the shots being a bit fuzzy camera needs a service , a bit like me.
Peter.
Hi

Would the NorthWest Short Lines Chopper be of any use (90, 45, 60 & 30 degree but not 22)?

http://www.nwsl.com/...t2-00-v0611.pdf

Cheers

Paul
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??? posted on Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:37 am

Hi Paul
Thanks for the info. Its looks very good. Who are the stockist in this country. Might also be good to have some in the shop.
Regards Peter
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Comment posted by PaulCheffus on Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:55 pm

trains12 wrote:
Hi Paul
Thanks for the info. Its looks very good. Who are the stockist in this country. Might also be good to have some in the shop.
Regards Peter
Hi Peter

I bought mine from Micro Mark in the States but I think Acme Model Co supply them in the UK.

Acme Model Co
PO Box 69
Hampton
Middlesex
TW12 3NA

0208 9790672

Cheers

Paul
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??? posted on Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:57 am

PaulCheffus wrote:
trains12 wrote:
Hi Paul
Thanks for the info. Its looks very good. Who are the stockist in this country. Might also be good to have some in the shop.
Regards Peter

Hi Peter

I bought mine from Micro Mark in the States but I think Acme Model Co supply them in the UK.

Acme Model Co
PO Box 69
Hampton
Middlesex
TW12 3NA

0208 9790672

Cheers

Paul Hi Paul
Sorry not been back . line problems with BT. Thanks for the info will check it out.
cheers Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:03 am

Hi all
Just a quick update. Nearly all the basic scenic plastering has been completed and some of the basic painting has completed.
A departure from the building in situ for the scrubbers on the vertical lime kilns has been the arrval of one of Europes largest cranes that will lift the last scrubber into place. It takes a day to errect the crane on site. Will post some shots of this when the final lift is in place.

Wife sayes we are "Kids with Toys"
Peter
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??? posted on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:07 pm

Hi All
Just arrived back from GTD and the crane has arrived and been set up for the final big lift tomorrow lifting the last scrubber in place. A couple of shots of the crane enclosed.
Some of the track has been sprayed inside the unit but nearly chocked us with the spray this will have to be done outside by dismantling the layout inside and errecting it outside. Will keep you posted.

regards Peter

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??? posted on Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:19 pm

Hi all
well I have final started to spay the track and here is the first shots of it. Other work that has been done has been the building of the two tunnel mouths wich are now on the paintind bench at home and will it is hoped be installed in the next few days. Also work on the main buildings is coming along but the other day ground the tip of my finger will the belt sander while thining some part down.Any way ashot of the back of the scubbers showing the piping coming out from the top of the klins.
The main new is that the large crane place the last scrubber in place so the klins can now be completed so some shots of this takeing place. And details needed due us a reply.
Cheers
Peter

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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:00 pm

Very impressive, Peter.
What paint did you use on the track?
BL
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??? posted on Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:27 am

Bangor Lad wrote:
Very impressive, Peter.
What paint did you use on the track?
BL
Hi Dave
Thanks for comments. The crane was a bit of fun

The track paint is Precision Paints Track Dirt (matt) sprayed with a touch up gun. Normally I would have sprayed the track before the scenics being done but on this layout many things have been done wrong way round. The problem is that you cannot get in with the gun as it is to large and causes over spray and uses to much paint. Need to get a new small one.

Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:28 am

Looking good Pete!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:17 pm

It's coming along now, with the track being sprayed and some colour added to the cliff faces. Good to see that the curtain rail hooks solved the problem of the pipe bends on the limekilns pipework. Looking forward to seeing GTD in two weeks time

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:55 pm

trains12 wrote:
Bangor Lad wrote:
Lovely scrubbers Peter
Not 100% sure of what you'r looking for in the mitre block. Have you tried an adjustable set square to mark out the angles?
BL

Hi Dave
Its not the actual marking out that is the problem but the cutting of them. One of the troubles that I have is that i have Arthritis in both my wrists and cutting down square with the saw is hard going for me so I use a X acto mitre block for the cutting of all my girder sections, tubes etc but they only have the 90 45 degrees on them so after I have marked say 35 degree angle with the protractor it is hard to cut it square.
Peter Hi Peter,
I just came across this and thought it might fit the bill if you've not already got something.

Regards
D
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:00 pm

Sorry Peter,

Couldn't load the link. Will try again later.

D
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:33 pm

Bangor Lad wrote:
Sorry Peter,

Couldn't load the link. Will try again later.

D
Hi Peter,
Came across a multi-angle guillotine in the Proops Brothers e-Bay shop. Might be worth a look?

BL
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??? posted on Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:14 pm

D
Hi Peter,
Came across a multi-angle guillotine in the Proops Brothers e-Bay shop. Might be worth a look?

BL
Hi all

Dave thanks for the link am looking into it.
Update this wek is not to much work has been done due editing the HMRS Points newsletter. Anyway some more spraying of the track has been completed but my small spay gun is playing up so it is becoming very time consuming. Will have to get a new one. Work at home is still ongoing with the vertical lime kiln building but iit is nearing the stage for painting. Two shots posted showing my Fell Diesel outside the south box, This box will be replaced with a Midland style box when I have finished it.
Peter

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??? posted on Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:03 pm

Hi All
Well Friday 13th has lived up to its day with me. first this morning my trusted spary gun used on the track packs in and I cae home from the unit a bit Fed Up So I decided to spray some of the lime kilns with my good air brush and guess what ? Yes you have it my good air brush has packed in still with alot of spraying to do. Mined you with hind sight I should have sprayed many of the items individually. Most remeber that in future. Dose any one else have problems like this. Anyway some shots of the spraying to date.
Peter

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:02 am

So it was'nt just me that had a crap 13th then!
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Comment posted by BEN TRUCK on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:20 am

Hi Peter
Yes , just when you thought you had all that spare time to paint and air brush it turns into "maintenance time", and nothing gets done .i think i,ve replaced nearly all the bolt on parts of my compressor over the last 4 years ,what was that in Fools and Horses ,"I,ve had this brush for 15 years ........5 heads and 8 handles, ................your structures are superb and stand up very well to close scrutiny ,where as mine ......................mmmm?
lovely stuff
cheers
Brian
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??? posted on Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:26 pm

BEN TRUCK wrote:
Hi Peter
Yes , just when you thought you had all that spare time to paint and air brush it turns into "maintenance time", and nothing gets done .i think i,ve replaced nearly all the bolt on parts of my compressor over the last 4 years ,what was that in Fools and Horses ,"I,ve had this brush for 15 years ........5 heads and 8 handles, ................your structures are superb and stand up very well to close scrutiny ,where as mine ......................mmmm?
lovely stuff
cheers
Brian
Hi Brian
Thanks for the comments. Gave up on the spraying and obtained a cheap and nasty ??????‚??3.99 air brush to finish track spraying. Did most of the job but a little over spray. One thing though I forgot to wear a mask and spent 4 hours in the unit with out realising the fumes and fog of the spraying was getting on my chest. Have spent today cutting out the windows in the South Works building back at the Centre so that the fog will clear in the unit. Will post some views of this when I have assembled it together tonight.

Regards Peter
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??? posted on Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:48 pm

Hi All
A bit of bad news went down to the unit tonight toget some items and found that the roof windows in the roof over the layout have leaked yet again with the heavy rain . The landlords have stated that they would be done but we are still waiting. At present the end board up of the fiddle yard is a little wet and a small amunt has gone on the front boards at the entrance to the main hopper yard Any way the whole layout is coverd in bin liners with some old empty ice cream tubs to catch the drips. just hope that it will be ok in the morning. Will keep you all posted.#
Peter
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??? posted on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:20 pm

Hi all
Good news the layout has not suffor to much and is already drying out. Roof will be done next week at last. Anyway some shots of the south works building as promised and two shots of the painting of the scenery before the flocking stage.

Peter

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:57 pm

Looking good Peter, glad it wasn't damaged
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Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:05 am

Looking good, Peter.
I'll have to call in again some time soon...I could do with a tutorial on modelling the rockfaces!

BL
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Comment posted by saizei on Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:31 pm

everytime i look at this layout it gets better and better, keep it up look forward to seeing the end product

Thanks and Best
Gary
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Comment posted by garethevans1986 on Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:10 pm

I do agree, looks very nice, have you got a layout plan for it?

Any plans for running diesels on it?

GE
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Comment posted by Digital on Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:16 am

Hi Peter,
Is the layout operated by DCC or standard DC.
Regards
John
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??? posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:33 pm

Digital wrote:
Hi Peter,
Is the layout operated by DCC or standard DC.
Regards
John
Hi John

It is normal DC but at present it is still in the wiring stage. I have far too much stock to convert to DCC To give an idea of cost to convert the four exhibition layouts and the main layout together with stock two years ago the cost was put at some ??????‚??20,000 pounds by ZTC that was 500 plus engines all points controllors sound etc. Just cant aford it so it stays with miles of cables and nightmares if something goes wrong. Paul is in a similar boat as well but we both have thought of doing a small modern image layout which will be DCC. in the near future.
Regards
Peter
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Comment posted by Heiter on Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:43 am

trains12 wrote:
Digital wrote:
Hi Peter,
Is the layout operated by DCC or standard DC.
Regards
John

Hi John

It is normal DC but at present it is still in the wiring stage. I have far too much stock to convert to DCC To give an idea of cost to convert the four exhibition layouts and the main layout together with stock two years ago the cost was put at some ??????‚??20,000 pounds by ZTC that was 500 plus engines all points controllors sound etc. Just cant aford it so it stays with miles of cables and nightmares if something goes wrong. Paul is in a similar boat as well but we both have thought of doing a small modern image layout which will be DCC. in the near future.
Regards
Peter Where are the manufacturers when you need *their* support...??
Excellent layout and a credit to you...

Colin.
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??? posted on Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:45 pm

Hi all
Just a update on the layout. Wiring has continued this last wek and a futher two boards have been completed upto the connection stage. Timber has been oatained to complete the last three boards while the other boards are made and ready for tack layout. Work on the last Gravel loader is well in hand as is some of the smaller sheds etc. I will post some further shots in the next few days.

Peter
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??? posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:06 pm

Hi All
Just to let you all Know that my unit in Nantlle will be open house this Saturday 25th march between 10.30am to 4.00pm where I will br working on Tunsley Dale. I will al so have the clubs O Gauge Layout Waterley Cross working. All are welcome ,if you want instructions one how to find me contact me either on 01286 882 332 or pm me. Have coffee or tea but also no beer
Also there is Porth Eithin Porth Penrhyn and Dartmouth but not up.
Hope to see some of you
Peter
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Comment posted by MartinWales on Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:42 pm

Shame! I'm at York
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??? posted on Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:40 pm

Hi All
Just a few photos of what has been done in the last few weeks

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??? posted on Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:27 pm

Hi All
Just a shot of the two Blue Pullman set that will be used on the layout. I seem to be haveing a few problems post picx at present.
Peter

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:37 pm

A quick posting on the sort of stock that will be needed to operate on the layout. Ok well starting with the obvious sort of wagons given that the layout is loosely based on the real rail served quarry at Tunstead, these will be the long lived ICI bogie limestone hopper wagons. I have two rakes myself that I operate in conjunction with the rakes owned by Hazel Grove & District MRS of which I am a member. There is a rake of 16 wagons in the 1950s/60s livery of medium grey plus weathered examples formed 5+5+5+1 (I think) and a 1980s/90s rake of 14 wagons. However for Great Tunsley we will require at least another two rakes plus some spares. Both Peter and me have a couple of the old High Peak Casters kits for these wagons, which to be brutally honest are not exactly well detailed but they do look like the wagons once built and modified. So, to make up the shortfall we are looking at producing some more wagons ourselves in brass and whitemetal but that is still on development at the moment.

Other suitable stock for the steam era will include the 5-plank ICI Lime opens, which were once produced by Airfix many years ago and later a version was produced by Hornby. Yes, the chassis are not accurate for these plus those monster couplings to contend with as well so a program of coupling upgrades to Bachmann type narrow couplings will hopefully solve that problem. Except Bachmann couplings are in short supply at the moment Other opens and small hoppers will also be used for general stone flows from Great Tunsley. The next biggest wagon type that we will need is the BR 24t COVHOP and I am aware that Bill Bedford has a kit in the pipeline. Then there is Presflos, Prestwins and Conflat Ls along with a mix of everyday goods wagons that could be scene passing the quarry on the mainline as well.

Moving onto the 80s, the ICI hoppers remain dominant abeit with a light grey livery when ex works rapidly becoming a rusty dusty brown colour darkening with age. Air brake stock from this period from the real Tunstead was mainly the CBA covered hoppers (conversion in hand), Tarmac PGAs (in hand) and Peakstone PGAs (future project). I have started to build a rake of Parkside 21t HTV hoppers but given Hornby's recent decision to model the Clam/Rudd and Tope wagons, I wouldn't be at all suprised if Hornby turned round and produced a rtr rebodied and welded HTV model as per the Parkside kit, so I will see what happens on that front. The final type of stone wagon in this era is the 27t stone tipplers MSVs. I have amassed a rake of 20+ of these using the Bachmann chalk tippler and added extra brake rigging and vac cylinders to the chassis. Yes I know the chassis is incorrect type and the body is too high but that doesn;t bother me. Lots of Speedlink wagons PAAs, PBAs, TTAs etc. as appropriate to era

Into the 90s, we can still run the ICI hoppers until 1997 and run Bachmann JGAs in Buxton Lime Industries and RMC liveries and later on CAIB PGAs 30+ of those, and later still Freightliner HHAs. All we need now to complete the picture would be RFS built RMC PHA/JGAs, EWS/Cemex HOAs and Freightliner HH HIAs in green and white. Oh and some Tiphook KPAs just to be complete. And some Nat Power/EWS JHAs and JMAs..... Not much to ask is it Again lots of ancillary stock appropriate to era and Enterprise operations JAAs. JIAs, TTAs, TUAs, Cargowaggons, PCAs

Its gonna be fun!!
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??? posted on Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:07 pm

Hi all
Just an update on the progress of the layout. In the last few days we have fished the baseboards at the end of the layout and have errcted the baseboards for the fiddle yard ready for the laying of the cork. Some more of the electrics have also been done. It is hoped that the laying of the track in the fiddle yard will start tomorrow. If all goes well and the weather is good will will try to trst the erection of the whole layout next Saturday outside the unit in Nantlle. Will post some more photos of the laying of the fiddle yard.

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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:15 pm

A few more photos of the layout showing the extended fiddle yard taken today. I spent the weekend at Peter's lair and helped to lay some new track, solder the rails onto the copperclad and put the plywood top on the newest fiddle yard baseboard. Note the track is not aligned or pinned down yet on the new board, but that won't take Peter long to do!! In the first photo of those uploaded by Peter in the last post, the mainline and quarry line track and points are all laid and ballasted and connect up with the tracks leading in/out of the fiddle yard. I knew I should have taken a similar photo for comparison before I left sunny N Wales.

Cheers Paul

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Comment posted by SweeneyTodd on Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:33 pm

That's one huge fiddle yard 16 lines ! , i want to ask what type of points are used and how will it be powered , i'm fairly new to the hobby and working on a quite a large layout , i want to ad a fiddle yard probably about half the size of yours , if you can have you got a track plan to show where your adding power ? if not no worries

The whole layout looks great , i will be following your progress .....

Shaun .
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??? posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:02 am

hi Shaun

Thanks for comments. The track and points in the fiddle yard are all Peco Code 75. What is shown is not the full extent of the yard there is still afurther 6ft board to add with the other points on. The feeds to the layout are at each end of the yards on each main line. The lines are split in the middle so giving 32 sidings appox. 8ft - 10 ft long. the points are controlled by Hornby or peco points motors which will be operated by either stud and probe contact or spring centre off swiitches, havent made my mind up yet. The whole layout is standard DC control.

peter
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:36 am

Really looking forward to seeing photos of this layout when finished, great work so far. The buildings are stunning, absolutely superb modelling. Lots of fun ahead for you guys me thinks!

Can we have some photos of 60s on JGAs running on your layout please, or pairs of 37s on the ICI hoppers!
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:36 am

Yep, I can't wait for the day when we can start filling up the fiddle yard with stock and get some trains running. I think I can muster a 60 and some BLI JGAs plus some of Peters, plus a pair of Buxton 37/5s on a long rake (24) of ICI Hoppers.
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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:20 pm

Look forward to the photos Paul.

Any idea when you will be up and running?
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:48 pm

We were going to appear at the North Wales Exhibition organised by Colwyn Bay MRC and held at John Bright School, Llandudno, but this exhibition has now been cancelled. So not sure what our first outing will be, but the extra time will give us a chance to finish off all of the scenery and sort the stock out etc.
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??? posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:52 pm

Hi all
Have been at the unit today and have laid the track in the fiddle yard that was in Pauls photos above. Hope to have the final hand made track completed by Thursday so it can be laid on Friday. In the mean time am wiring up odd sections. Paul and myself are going to Tunstead on Monday to flim further details of the plant ie hoppers. cement kilms etc and also make a sound recoring of the loading of a train through the main hoppers so when we load the ICI hoppers on the layout there will be real sound of them being loaded. Will post some more shots in the next few days.
Back to it.

Peter.
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??? posted on Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:32 pm

Well as promised further shots of the progress made this week on the ayout. Paul and myself are at Tunstead on Monday to view the site and make a recording of the loading of the hoppers so that we can fit sound into the model hopper. Should get a lot of photos. :
Peter

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??? posted on Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:40 pm

Hi All
Update
Have been up at Tunstead early this week with Paul photographing etc most of the plant thanks to Tarmac. Some great shots so I can now complete the models. Some more point motors and wiring completed as well as a little mod to the track laout. Will post some more shots in the next few days.
Peter
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??? posted on Wed May 07, 2008 6:02 pm

Hi all
Some shots taken by Paul on Monday of this week showing the trackwork completed where the Vertical lime kilns and the South Works will fit. Have started today the model of the lime kilns today so will post some shots of the progress of this. Still working on the wiring.
Regards
Peter

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Comment posted by MartinWales on Wed May 07, 2008 6:29 pm

Looks even better now than when I saw it a fortnight ago!
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Comment posted by Andy C on Thu May 08, 2008 6:19 am

Andy C wrote:
Hi Paul

Ive some etched brass ones (10) on the way courtesy of John Taylor (Uncommon kits) Ive yet got to assess them against the pics / drawings in someones book but pretty sure i can get a good model out of what Ive seen.

they will appear on the new MMRS layout loosely based on Peak Forest (it was to have been called Peak Dale but i understand someone has already blagged that name)
John Taylor brought down 2 sets of etches for the ICI hoppers last night at the Rochdale club night - Im probably going to sideline the Ivatt 2-6-0 Im building on wednesday nights and have a shot at them - theres a lot of bits and i suspect the RSU will be in demand - ive already promised to re-write and draw his instructions as i go alomg because theres already 1 bit Im not sure of where it goes! it does look like it will make a nice model with a bit of care in the building and I suspect an article may follow in one mag or another! I'll keep you posted on progress! (but they my end up as P4 models behind a blue rat)
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Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri May 09, 2008 11:22 am

I'd be interested to see how you get on with these, having had the prototype kit built up and finding that some of the tabs and slots didn't fit made things a bit tricky.

Peter and me have been developing a kit for the hoppers for a good number of years now and when the Appleby and Modelex kits were proposed we decided not to proceed, but now both of these have fallen by the wayside, we have decided to push ahead with our own kit and started to draw up the parts required. As previously outlined in this thread, we will need quite a few hoppers for GTD layout.

Cheers Paul
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Comment posted by Andy C on Fri May 09, 2008 3:22 pm

pharrc20 wrote:
I'd be interested to see how you get on with these, having had the prototype kit built up and finding that some of the tabs and slots didn't fit made things a bit tricky.

Peter and me have been developing a kit for the hoppers for a good number of years now and when the Appleby and Modelex kits were proposed we decided not to proceed, but now both of these have fallen by the wayside, we have decided to push ahead with our own kit and started to draw up the parts required. As previously outlined in this thread, we will need quite a few hoppers for GTD layout.

Cheers Paul
Funny you said that Paul - I was looking at the sideplate tabs and indents in the top and bottom frame plates and the tabs looked slightly overlarge but wasnt in a poistion to get the micrometer out to check.
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