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  4. barrowroad
    Here are some photos of the finished building - except for the 2 chimneys and vents previously mentioned.
    Final weathering will take place once everything is built and in place on the layout.
     
    Thanks for all the positive comments.
     
    The next installment will be the roundhouse and workshop itself.
     

     

     

     

     

     

     
    I now have to wait a few weeks before I take delivery of the main shed and workshop...... watch this space.
  5. barrowroad
    It's a while since I did any work on the boards, so with the temporary lull in work on the shed buildings I decided to spend some time on the boards.
    The last work was cutting the styrofoam to produce the incline base on the boards north of Barrow Road road bridge. It is at this point that that incline begins at 1 in 89 rising to 1 in 60 up the bank to Fishponds Station.
    The styrofoam has been cut and fixed to the boards. Note the position for the North Exit from/to the shed where the trackwork will drop down to the coal plant - the trackwork in the shed yard being at a lower level than the main line which is to the left.

     
    Progress over the past week has been adding 5mm C&L foam underlay after making various cut outs in the boards to position tortoise point motors.

     
    I have added a 2.5mm layer of cork to the main line in order to give a raised based for the stone ballast.
     

  6. barrowroad
    Here are a few more photos of the office complex.
     

     

     

     

     
    All that remains now is to paint the roof tiles.
     
    There are two additional brick built chimneys to add to the higher of the two hipped roofs and two vents/chimneys. These will be made and added at a later stage.
  8. barrowroad

    Sand Dryer Tiles

    By barrowroad,

    The self adhesive tiles produced by York Modelmakers are excellent, easy to use and look the part. The last building I tiled, Sheep Pasture Engine House, had individual tiles which I cut from 5 thou plasticard. They look good but would be a daunting method to adopt for all the roofing on Barrow Road Shed so I am pleased with the results produced by YM's tiles.
     
    Anyway here are a few photos of the Sand Dryer during the tiling process.
     

     

     

     

     

     
    I have since noticed I forgot to add the ridge tiles so still some more work to do before it is complete.
  9. barrowroad
    I have now managed to add the ridge tiles to the sand dryer and in consequence have repainted parts of the roof.
    The roof on the buildings have been painted using air opaque Badger air brush paints which I apply using a brush. I tend to use a palate of their greys [nos 7.07 & 7.06] and black.
     

     

     

     

     
    It started to rain whilst taking the last two photos.... spot (sorry!) the rain drops on the roof!
     
    The sand dryer building & chimney is now finished apart from final weathering which I will do once the whole shed complex is complete.
     
    Now back to the Office........
  10. barrowroad
    I have now coloured the walls using my favoured method with coloured crayons. The Berol Karisma ones are no longer available so I have substituted some from the Faber Castell range which have proved to be better.
     

     

     

     
    The building substructure is now assembled and I will add these walls to it shortly.
  11. barrowroad
    Time to put the building together...
     
    Here are the front and side elevations in their painted state with the glazing and doors added.{non available for the end elevation - I must contact the supplier}
     

     

     
    The internal structure is made from 2mm mdf, slotted together and glued. I have given the viewable internal walls a coat of grey primer.
     

     
    The corners of the walls are mitred together at 45 deg... here is a shot especiall for Missy - to show the corner joint.
     

     
    The roof sub structure ties the whole building together using the laser cut tabs shown in the photos. I will add the final roof structure using 20 thou plasticard before adding the tiles. The kit provides several sheets of laser cut tiles made from adhesive paper. I have not used this method before, having constucted prevoious buildings individual tiles made from 5 thou plasticard. I will report later on progress with the roof and tiling.
     

  12. barrowroad

    Office Chimney

    By barrowroad,

    At last... I can add another entry!
     
    Here is the office chimney which I have constructed form some old Formcraft/Alan Gibson/C&L brick parts.
     

     
    The chimney is constructed from 4mm scale english bond brickwork parts - see photo - which are placed over lengths of plastic rods, which fit through the holes in the brick parts, to assemble a convincing chimney. I have a stock of these parts which I have previously used to build the water tower on my Sheep Pasture layout.
     

     

  13. barrowroad
    After having a few problems with postings I will take this opportunity to add a few photos of progress on the Office, Mess & Stores building at the front right of the shed.
     

    This shows the parts of the kit with the roof sections at the top, the carcase to the left and the front and side elevation to the right, complete with the box at the top.

    This shows, from the top of the building downwards, the corbelling, the single string of bricks around the windows and the plinth.
    More to follow and the roof of the sand dryer has arrived!
  14. barrowroad

    Sand Dryer progress

    By barrowroad,

    Further progress on the Sand Dryer walls over the past few days with all four walls now ready for assembly.
     

     

     

     

     

     

     
     
    The detail on the wall adjacent to the shed building has been omitted because it needs to be a flush fit.
     
    I need to find a way of making the ventilation slats in the clerestory roof of the sand dryer and have decided to make a seperate unit out of brass.... further posting to follow.
  15. barrowroad
    More progress this afternoon with the front elevation of the sand dryer now complete. There are two 'I' girders above the window which I chose to fabricate from two pieces of brass section soldered together. The larger girder was cut and shaped from a piece of 4mm square section brass tube whilst the smaller one was cut from 3mm wide channel section.
     
    Once finished the construction followed that of the end wall posted yesterday, with the only additional work required being the forming of the 90deg corners on the plinth and the single course of bricks.
     

     
    Photographs of main line side of the dryer are rare but here is one to show what I am aiming to achieve.
     

     
    Here is the front elevation shown ready for painting with grey primer.
  16. barrowroad
    I managed a bit of time today to carry out the test colouring of the end wall of the sand furnace. For a colour guide I chose to use some of my own colour slides from October 1965. These were taken using Agfa film which was always a little on the blue side so I have corrected this using Photoshop.
     

     
    I have used an assortment of Berol Karisma crayons of various brick shades, some for the engineering brick and others for the more common 'red'. Having fixed the corbels I realised the crayon method would not work on them because the spacing is too small. Here I resorted to mixing some Bager Opaque paint of grey and black persuasion and applied it using a fine brush.
     

     
    The result is pleasing.
  17. barrowroad

    Bristol Barrow Road

    By barrowroad,

    Bristol Barrow Road
     
    by Barrowroad
     
    original page on Old RMweb
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    ??? posted on Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:55 pm
     
    About 25 years ago I started collecting information and photographs of my local ex Midland Railway shed, Bristol Barrow Road, and vowed that one day I would create a layout of the site. Well over the past year, with the help of some fellow modellers I now have the baseboards for the layout.
     

     
    The track plan has been produced using templot and has been printed out full size utilising O/S map information to position the shed roundhouse, coaling tower, ash plant and the prominent road viaduct - Barrow Road - which bisects the shed yard. The coaling tower was built for me by Peter aka 'Gravytrain'.
     

     
    Just a taster for now. I shall post some information on the construction of the boards later.
     
    Why 25 years - well I have managed to convert and extend to the garage to house the layout and in the intervening period I built a layout based on my other railway interest the Cromford & High Peak Railway.
    http://www.glevums4.co.uk/Sheep_Pasture_frame.html
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    Comment posted by 70015APOLLO on Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:35 pm
     
    Only the other day I came accross some very good photos of Bristol Barrow Rd shed whilst looking at Mac Hawkins book "Ivo Peter's Classic Steam" (ISBN 0 86288 058 0) - Photo on page 81 is a good shot alongside the main line, MPD to the left, looking along the sweeping curves to the road bridge. A first class location to model -- oozing with atmosphere.
     
    Brit15
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    Comment posted by Kenton on Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:57 pm
     
    I'm intrigued to know why the baseboard is shaped like a coffin
     
    Is this to be P4 ? what time period ?
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    Comment posted by corax67 on Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:46 pm
     
    I'm intrigued to know why the baseboard is shaped like a coffin
     
    Perhaps one of the "fellow modellers" is an undertaker and recyled a bit of spare timber ? ? ?
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    ??? posted on Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:47 pm
     


    70015APOLLO wrote:
    Only the other day I came accross some very good photos of Bristol Barrow Rd shed whilst looking at Mac Hawkins book "Ivo Peter's Classic Steam" (ISBN 0 86288 058 0) - Photo on page 81 is a good shot alongside the main line, MPD to the left, looking along the sweeping curves to the road bridge. A first class location to model -- oozing with atmosphere.
     
    Brit15
    Hi Apollo, I have that photo in front of me. Patriot 45504 Royal Signals was a Bristol loco from 1958 to 1962. I have a framed print of this wonderful Ivo Peters photograph on the wall which I obtained from Ivo Peter's son Julian. One of the Bachmann Patriot's, is waiting conversion to P4. The other two photos in the book aren't bad either!!
     


    Kenton wrote:
    I'm intrigued to know why the baseboard is shaped like a coffin
     
    Is this to be P4 ? what time period ?
    Hi Kenton,
     
    The boards look like a coffin because the track through the shed leads to a dead end!!
     
    The layout will be P4 and DCC set in the 1955 to 1962 period.
     


    corax67 wrote:
    I'm intrigued to know why the baseboard is shaped like a coffin
     
    Perhaps one of the "fellow modellers" is an undertaker and recyled a bit of spare timber ? ? ?
    Hi Corax,
     
    You need to look at it in perspective, nearly coffin shaped but not quite, as it doesn't taper at the 'head end'. Fortunately none of my fellow modellers is an undertaker but one could be classified a 'chip off the block'
     
    Cheers,
     
    Robin
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    Comment posted by BlazeyBridge2 on Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:44 am
     
    I imagine this is going to be a pretty good one if Sheep Pasture is anything to go by....
    I remember seeing SP exhibited at Cromford Wharf backalong....1995?... an excellent layout IMHO...
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    ??? posted on Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:48 am
     


    BlazeyBridge2 wrote:
    I imagine this is going to be a pretty good one if Sheep Pasture is anything to go by....
    I remember seeing SP exhibited at Cromford Wharf backalong....1995?... an excellent layout IMHO...
    Hi Mike,
     
    Thank you for your kind words.
     
    Cromford Wharf April 1997, I remember it well, Sheep Pasture was in its embryonic state and was invited to attend an event to celebrate the 3oth anniversary of the closure of the Cromford & High Peak Railway. 'Middlepeak', the another CHPR layout, by my friend Geraint Hughes was also there and we even thought of joining the two together. Here is a photo of Sheep Pasture for you.
     

     
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    Comment posted by Vanders on Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:11 am
     
    There's a coincidence: I've been looking at quite a few photos of Barrow Road & the old Midland line after a discussion elsewhere on RMWeb about Kingswood Junction, and I was thinking to myself "I've never seen a model of Barrow Road before"! I'll be sure to watch yours as it develops.
     
    Will you have any room on your layout for the Barrow Road arches?
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    Comment posted by Captain Kernow on Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:21 pm
     


    barrowroad wrote:
    and we even thought of joining the two together
    For some reason, Robin, I thought that you had joined them together at one show, I have a particular memory of seeing them operating as one..... please tell me I'm not hallucinating!!
     
    Both are exquisite layouts and very nicely observed.
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    ??? posted on Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:51 pm
     


    Vanders wrote:
    There's a coincidence: I've been looking at quite a few photos of Barrow Road & the old Midland line after a discussion elsewhere on RMWeb about Kingswood Junction, and I was thinking to myself "I've never seen a model of Barrow Road before"! I'll be sure to watch yours as it develops.
     
    Will you have any room on your layout for the Barrow Road arches?
    Hi Vanders,
    How could you have a layout of Barrow Road without the arches? I have room for the main line bridge and 5 arches but not the other eight. You can see the position of Barrow Road between the shed and the coaling tower.
     

     
    Hi Captain,
    I'm afraid to tell you you have been hallucinating
    It would have been a nice idea but we never did get round to it.
    Thank you for your kind comments on behalf of myself and Geraint.
     
    Cheers,
    Robin
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    Comment posted by adge-peanuts on Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:15 pm
     
    I like the idea of this layout.
     
    Used to work as a trainman and remember backing the Bristol Bin liner (Dusty Bin) train back into the siding that was is located there.
     
    Keep up the good work
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    Comment posted by Wheeltapper on Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:10 pm
     
    I am looking forward to seeing the completed layout from the Days Road Bridge angle , a look over the parapet was always my first view of the shed with the resultant tingle of expectation . There was usually one or both of the sentinels parked on one of the stub roads beneath the vantage point and closely packed rows of locos on the sidings alongside the shed. Happy Memories !
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    Comment posted by Gravy Train on Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:03 am
     
    Hi Robin,
    Its great to see that you are now making progress on the layout, just looking at the Templot track diagram it looks facinating, is it your intention to exhibit it?
    Looking at the coaling tower, i used to think it was a large structure but it appears somewhat dwarfed by the huge track layout, it is certainly going to be a layout to watch out for on RMweb as it developes.
    If Sheep Pasture is anything to go by then this layout will look the buisiness.
     
    cheers
     
    Peter
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    ??? posted on Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:05 am
     


    Gravy Train wrote:
    Hi Robin,
    Its great to see that you are now making progress on the layout, just looking at the Templot track diagram it looks facinating, is it your intention to exhibit it?
    Looking at the coaling tower, i used to think it was a large structure but it appears somewhat dwarfed by the huge track layout, it is certainly going to be a layout to watch out for on RMweb as it developes.
    If Sheep Pasture is anything to go by then this layout will look the buisiness.
     
    cheers
     
    Peter
    Hi Peter,
    The coaling tower will certainly dominate the shed yard north of Barrow Road arches as did the prototype.
    I have designed the layout on seven boards to enable transportation to exhibitions. I have had some storage trolleys made, based on a design similar to one used by the guys from Liverpool Lime Street... I'll post some pictures in due course. Meanwhile here is a Bachmann Patriot positon under the tower... no track etc but I couldn't resist it.
     

     
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    Comment posted by timlewis on Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:22 pm
     
    Well, this looks like it will be very nice indeed: definitely one to watch.
     


    Kenton wrote:
    I'm intrigued to know why the baseboard is shaped like a coffin
    I'm glad to see that someone else has some weird shaped baseboards (see Coldstream link below), although mine are less obviously coffin shaped! Presumably, because you have the prototype track plan, you arrived, as I did, at an 'optimal' set of baseboard shapes taking into account the layout of the track, turnout positions etc. etc. rather than building a set of full-width rectangular boards and then finding joins in all the wrong places.
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    Comment posted by WD198 on Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:30 pm
     
    Looks like an ambitous project! Looks good so far, will be watching this with interest. About time we had some Steam MPDs, loads of modern TMDs but no so many Steam MPDs.
     
    Jack.
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    ??? posted on Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:57 pm
     


    timlewis wrote:
    I'm glad to see that someone else has some weird shaped baseboards (see Coldstream link below), although mine are less obviously coffin shaped! Presumably, because you have the prototype track plan, you arrived, as I did, at an 'optimal' set of baseboard shapes taking into account the layout of the track, turnout positions etc. etc. rather than building a set of full-width rectangular boards and then finding joins in all the wrong places.
    Hi Tim,
    Just looked at your Coldstream link ....looking good. What adhesive have you used on the Exactoscale Foam?
     
    Barrow Road boards
    The size and shape of the Barrow Road boards were dictated by the templot track plan and the position of the turnouts. At the shed end I wanted the shed on one board and as the roundhouse is approx 182ft square this fixed the board size at 2ft 2in for the front elevation. The optimum board length worked out at 4ft 1in so I have the shed board at 2ft 2in by 4ft 1in. To fit in the main line and sidings alongside the shed, to include the prominent housing as a back scene requires a further board 1ft 6in wide giving a total width at the shed end of 3ft 8in... quite deep! These two boards are aligned along their length used C&L machined alignment dowels and joined using 6mm bolts and T nuts.
    The ajoining pair of boards are reversed, again giving a combined depth of 3ft 8in, in order to accommodate the trackwork. The next pair of boards, where the coaling tower and Ash Plant are to be sited are basically 4ft 1in by 1ft 6in but are made trapezoid to align them with the previous pair.
    The final board, a single 4ft 1in by 1ft 6in unit will house the trackwork at the throat of the shed yard and will contain Lawrence Hill Signal Box and the Lawrence Hill road bridge as a scenic break. This board has detachable trianglar boards which will accommodate 'urban scenery'.
    So to sum up we have two large boards [2ft 2in by 4ft 1in] and five small boards [1ft 6in by 4ft 1in] which, when joined together, form a large rectangle tapered towards the Lawrence Hill end.
    This standard length board has enabled construction of a pair of transport trolleys to be made for exhibition purposes. These are designed to fit into a transit type van.
     

     
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    Comment posted by London Midland Guard on Midland Guard on Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:58 pm
     
    I love that paper overlay plan, amazing! Please forgive me but Barrow Road is were in relation to Barton Hill ?
     
    I cant wait to see progress, amazing!.
     
    Cheers.
     
    LMG.
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    ??? posted on Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:42 pm
     


    London Midland Guard wrote:
    Please forgive me but Barrow Road is were in relation to Barton Hill ?
    Hi LMG,
     
    You obviously know the Barton Hill area. The duel carriageway aka St Philips Causeway crosses the site and the Barrow Road arches were demolished to make way for this road.
    The stone wall behind the Formula One service garage - at the junction of the new Days Road - marks the route of the original Days Road around the back of the shed. On the other side of this wall is Barton Hill EWS depot. The EWS depot is adjacent to what was the midland main line which passed alongside the shed under Days Road bridge. In fact, I believe some of the main line track remains in the depot and is used to store visiting steam engines. One of the stone walls which borders the LEX facility forms the rear boundary of the shed site. The LEX site is situated on the site of the gas works at the rear of the shed.
    The main line continued on a curve to the side of the BIG YELLOW store and to the side of the BINGO hall. In fact this building is suitated where the coaler once stood. The embankment at the rear of the Bingo Hall is formed out of the rubble that once was Barrow Road Arches.The Bingo Hall car park continues up to the Lawrence Hill road bridge which is still there.
    The only original building remaining in Barrow Road is the Forgemans Arms pub.
     
    Hope this helps,
     
    Robin
     

     
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    Comment posted by London Midland Guard on Midland Guard on Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:58 pm
     
    I know where i am now, thanks for that. I think Ive actually walked round there once (It was enough ).
     
    Many Thanks.
     
    LMG.
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    Comment posted by Tim V on Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:27 pm
     
    Does this help?
     

     
    Shows the Barton Hill flats.
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    Comment posted by timlewis on Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:40 pm
     


    barrowroad wrote:
    Hi Tim,
    Just looked at your Coldstream link ....looking good. What adhesive have you used on the Exactoscale Foam?

    Copydex for the first layer, which seems to work pretty well as long as you weight it well while it dries (although I think it would be relatively easy to remove, which may, or may not, be a good thing). The main running lines have two thicknesses, as they are slightly higher than the yard. I have attached this second layer using spray PhotoMount, which was easier and less messy than Copydex BUT, the boards have been lying around for a couple of months since I did this, and the second layer is beginning to peel off a bit along some edges. This may be because I didn't weight them properly, or because I didn't get enough adhesive at the edges (despite 'over-spraying' beyond the edge of the overlay). When I get back onto them (Christmas, work, decorating seem to have got in the way ), I think I'll re-do some with Copydex.
     


    London Midland Guard wrote:
    I love that paper overlay plan, amazing!
    Such is the power of Templot!
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    Comment posted by Portchullin Tatty on Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:32 pm
     
    Robin,
     
    You are going to be busy in the coming months, years................. Then you have to build/convert the engines to go on it!
     
    It does look like the beginnings of a fine model though; and as others have said, you do have some positive history in this regard! I look forward to it.
     
    Don't use copydex to secure the ballest/track in place. When you subsequently come to do anything with it, such as drill holes for point rodding, it strings on you and you suddenly have a bare patch of foam. Now how do you think I know that...........!!
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    Comment posted by 10800 on Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:59 pm
     
    Look forward to seeing this, especially the roundhouse
     
    And another vote for non-rectilinear baseboards (see Eridge rebuilding link below)
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    Comment posted by ullypug on Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:49 pm
     
    Also looking forward to seeing more of this.
     
    How did you make the baseboards? i.e. frames, double beams, top down? I'm asking because I have a potential scheme for a roundy roundy that will need some very odd shaped baseboards.
     
    Cheers
     
    Andrew
    __________________________________________ Bristol Barrow Road
     
    by Barrowroad
     
    original page on Old RMweb
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    Comment posted by ullypug on Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:49 pm
     
    Also looking forward to seeing more of this.
     
    How did you make the baseboards? i.e. frames, double beams, top down? I'm asking because I have a potential scheme for a roundy roundy that will need some very odd shaped baseboards.
     
    Cheers
     
    Andrew
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    ??? posted on Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:12 pm
     


    ullypug wrote:
    How did you make the baseboards? i.e. frames, double beams, top down?
    Hi Ullypug,
     
    Barrow Road boards are made from sheets of 6mm beech ply cut into strips 110mm wide and 104mm wide for the sides. The depth has been determined by the wish to use tortoise motors.
    The board sides are made by glueing one piece 110mm [outside] to one piece of 104mm [inside] to give a rebate on the top edge for the board surface, also 66mm sheet.
     

     
    A lightened cross brace of 6mm ply is positioned across the centre point of each side. The resulting box, including the top, was assembled and glued using clamps and the jig in the photograph. Please note one board from 'Brinkley' the S4 Glevum Group layout in the background.
     

     
    The alignment dowels are from C&L and were positioned, two per end and three per side using a jig to drill the holes using a fostner bit. Details of the number of boards and their dimensions can be seen in an earlier post.
     
    Cheers...Robin
     

     
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    Comment posted by ullypug on Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:11 am
     
    Thanks for that Robin
     
    I like the idea of laminating two sheets of 6mm and rebating the top. I did something similar with Weston, but used a twin beam a la Barry Norman. Do you plan to add any diagonal bracing? I've never risked not, but I don't know whether it's over the top really.
     
    That assembly table looks very impressive. Is it home built? I was thinking about making a jig for the 8 No trapezoidal boards I needs using an old kitchen worktop and some cramps.
     
    There's something about a new baseboard...
     
    Best of luck!
     
    Cheers
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    ??? posted on Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:15 am
     
    Hi Andrew,


    ullypug wrote:
    Do you plan to add any diagonal bracing?
    I don't propose to use any diagonal bracing as the boards structure is very rigid.
     


    ullypug wrote:
    That assembly table looks very impressive. Is it home built?
    The assembly table is owned by my friend Chris in the Glevum S4 Group, without whose assistance and facilities, the boards would not have been built... at least not as accurately! I believe it was originally made to produce consistent 4 x 2 boards for a layout lost in the mists of time. It is certainly a useful piece of kit.
     
    Always liked your WCPR layout.
     
    Cheers,
     
    Robin
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    Comment posted by ullypug on Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:04 pm
     
    Hi Robin
     


    Always liked your WCPR layout.
    That's very kind. And I like Sheep Pasture too. It fits the 'different' tag which I seem to be drawn to. I've always thought Newquay harbour with its inclined tunnel would make an interesting layout, but that's another story!
     
    Cheers
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    Comment posted by Spot on Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:22 am
     
    Nice work on the baseboards, as a Bristolian, now living in Gloucestershire, I am interested in how this is going now.
     
    Simon
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    Comment posted by 70015APOLLO on Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:04 pm
     
    Found some more very good colour pix of Barrow Rd shed in the book "British Steam in cameracolour 1962-68" by Robert Adley.Ian Allan book, published 1979 ISBN 0 7110 0987 2 (A4 format, double spreads are A3)
     
    P 28/9 Large double spread photo June 1964 - General view of Yard from overbridge, quite a few varied locos.
    P 60/1 Large double spread photo June 1964 - Unlined green, but clean Brit 70024 Vulcan at side of shed.
    P 68/9 Large double spread photo June 1964 - 1011 County of Chester in front of shed, gasholder to rear
    P 78 Single page, again June 1964 - 82004 on local train on main line passing shed.
     
    These are very atmospheric photos of workaday steam. In fact the whole book of large colour photos is first class, especially for the weathering effects.
     
    Long out of print, I got it for ?‚??1.00 yesterday in a s/h bookshop. Quick look shows 18 on Amazon from ?‚??0.73 - Bagain.
     
    Also, June 2009 "Steam Days" mag has an article re Bristol (MR/LMS lines), few photos, nice colour shot of Barrow Rd 1961, & photo of 2 L&Y pugs at rear of shed..
     
    Hope this is of use,
     
    Brit15
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    ??? posted on Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:49 pm
     
    Apollo, Many thanks for the information on the Adley book. I do not have a copy but I have seen the photos you have listed. Just purchased a copy of Steam Days. I particularly like the shot of the BR Class 5 showing the trackwork into the shed yard.
     
    I am on a track building session at the moment and will, hopefully, and a post on the subject in the near future.
     
    Regards,
     
    Robin
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    Comment posted by michael delamar on Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:11 am
     
    this is going to be one fantastic layout, it has all the ingredients.
     
    I love sheep pasture, and Petes buildings are fantastic, your woodwork and standards seem very professional too.
     
    Im amased nowadays at people building large prototype locations, or what may seem large.
    maybe thats down to people realising that industrial areas dont actually take up as much space as a country branch say, theres a lot the real railway crammed in to Barrow road there.
    and of course using scratchbuilt track over rtr enables all the correct angles etc to be used.
     
    also having helped out with Lime st many times, the set up and take down with the trolleys will be so much more quicker and less tiring and stressfull than other less well designed or even smaller layouts.
     
    Mike
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    Comment posted by michael delamar on Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:47 pm
     
    will there be a way of seeing into the roundhouse?
     
    and Im sure youve collected many images of the area, are you looking for more and is there anything you need images of?
     
    a shot youve probably seen, a quick search of the net found it, but I thought it had so much atmosphere http://www.railphotoprints.co.uk/index. ... Ds&start=0
    Mike
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    ??? posted on Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:41 pm
     
    Hi Michael,
     
    Thank you for your kind comments.
     
    I have a large collection of photos of the shed and surrounds but I am always interested in the more unusual shots. The RailPhotoprints shots are excellent, I only discovered them about 6 months ago and obtained a selection of prints.
     
    The latest Steam Days magazine has a good number of photos and as an example the unusal shot in this collection has been taken from Lawrence Hill Signal box and gives a wonderful view of the track approaches to the coaler and shed. This is the area where I have made some minor track modifications in order to shorten the layout. This involves the use of a double slip and repositioning of the mainline crossover in order to achieve it.
     
    The inside roundhouse will be viewable, achieved by making the west wall and first pitch of the roof out of perspex, at least that is my idea at present.
     
    Regards,
    Robin
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    Comment posted by alcazar on Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:28 am
     
    Can't wait to see more of this: Barrow Road was one of those sheds whose name you stared at in your combine and wondered what it was like. Being from Humberside, I never did get to find out
    The first jubilee I ever saw was off barrow Road, circa 1962, seen at Wath North, (in the old West riding), hauling the southbound Devonian. I was 10. Barfleur was the Jube, I still remember the whoop of delight from the older lad who'd taken me, since it was a "cop" for him too.
     
    The next time I went, three months later, the Devonian was in the hands of the Peaks, D9, Snowdon, and the next time, D100, Sherwood Forester. Not jubes, but.,...........
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    ??? posted on Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:33 pm
     
    I am in the process of making the point work for the layout with 6 out of the 15 required turnouts completed - I must get round to posting a few photos.
     
    Alcazar you are of the same sort of vintage as myself.. fortunately I had relatives in Hull and paid two visits in the early 60's. I used the visits as an excuse to pay my respects to the Hull sheds, York and even a visit to Gateshead... interesting days.
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    Comment posted by mikemeg on Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:47 pm
     
    I've just come across this thread and what a joy. There's one picture of a Patriot, posed under the coaling tower, with the caption indicating that this loco - currently 45543 - will become 45519 - Lady Godiva.
     
    When I was a kid in Hull and made my first trip to York, train spotting (1958), I was fascinated by the locos on the Bristol - Newcastle services, often LMS Patriots or Jubilees and, quite often, from Bristol Barrow Road. I checked back through the notebook for that first trip to York (one of the few railway things which survived later parental clear outs) and there it is 45519 - Lady Godiva. I can still see it in my minds eye as it came into York, so different from the works of Worsdell, Raven, Gresley, Thompson and Peppercorn. There is a wonderful painting, by Philip Hawkins, of a Patriot (I think it's 45504) at Birmingham New Street - look on his web site.
     
    Also being another who is making a model of a railway (which this one is) as opposed to a model railway,then it's an added bonus.
     
    Many congratulations on a fascinating prototype and I look forward to seeing this evolve; it will be absolutely stunning.
     
    Regards
     
    Mike
     
    PS The Patriot picture is not featured on Philip Hawkins web site, currently, but if you Google LMS Patriot, you will find the site of the organisation, currently building a brand new Patriot and, under the link Appreciation, you will find this picture. It's actually 45506 so the memory really is failing, but oh what a picture.
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    ??? posted on Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:24 pm
     
    Excellent picture of 45506 Mike.. another Bristol engine.
     
    Thanks for your kind comments.
     
    Regards,
     
    Robin
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    Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:29 pm
     
    I'm absolutely blown away by this layout. It is going to be fantastic. I only ever went to B Road once on a trip to Bristol (and why did I not go out to Bath Green Park - idiot), in 1963 or 64 (can't quite remember without climbing into loft to dig out spotters' books). I was thrown out (gently) after covering most of the yard but never got 'inside' and I always wondered what it was like. I just remember it being a great and atmospheric shed with those arches splitting the site and the long 'stairway to heaven' from the road (Day's Bridge?) down to the yard. I'm sure local lads used the secret entrances around the back by those gas-ometers? In another posting on here some time ago someone mentioned the coaler being blown up in the late 60's and scaring half Bristol to death! Incidentally, I bunked St Phillip's Marsh, (lovely double roundhouse), with ease but was too scared by the 'reputation' of the Bath Road staff to attempt a bunk!
    As soon as the trackwork is down and buildings erected I would love to see it exhibited. If you have limited loco stock just now you could invite P4 boys (& girls) to bring their appropriate stock to visit the shed!
    Even if you don't go public I for one would pay a good fee to visit and admire!
    Very good luck, Stan Eight Freight.
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    ??? posted on Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:27 pm
     
    The rear entrance for spotters was over the wall at the rear of the shed. For a nostalgic view see this link.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/fray_bento ... 155572977/
     
    We used to cycle round the back, prop the bike against the wall, climb over and enter the back entrance to the roundhouse. This is a 1981 shot, taken long after the shed had been demolished and shows one of the attempts to prevent us getting in, namely the fence. Like the Maginot Line it stopped at the end of this abutting wall and did not continue over the bridge itself so we climbed around it's end. Prior to the fence some nasty black tar/paint was put on the wall.
     
    The coaling tower was demolished in mid/late 60's.
     

     

     

     
    I have a large number of loco kits to build or RTR conversions to do. However, I do have some locos for the layout and friends in the Glevum Scalefour group have others to fill the gap.
     
    The layout is intended to be exhibited - it may even male an show appearance in an unfinished state.
     
    Thanks for your kind comments.
     
    Robin
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    ??? posted on Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:30 pm
     
    Just noticed the Flickr link has not fully uploaded.
     
    fray_bentos/240857220/in/set-72157594155572977/
     
    add this after photos/
     
    Robin
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    ??? posted on Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:19 pm
     
    I thought it about time I did an update on my progress with the trackwork.
     
    So far I have built about half of the required pointwork. Starting from the north entrance/exit to the shed the following have been completed:-
    North Crossover Down Main C8Lc
    North Crossover Up Main C8Lc
    North Exit B8R
    North Exit Double Slip 1:6
    Coaling Road Turnout B6Rc
    Wagon Siding Turnout B7Rc
    Coal Plant Wagon Road B6R
     

     

     
    In addition I have just finished the 3 Way Loco Sidings consisting of
    Loco sidings 3-Way B8Lc
    Loco sidings 3-Way C10Rc
    3 Way Crossing 1:6
     
    The position of this 3 Way is shown in the attached templot
     

     
    The finished 3 Way - all pointwork still requires the addition of cosmetic chairs which will be added following positioning and final adjustment - is shown along with the other piece of complicated pointwork, the part completed Tandem crossing, which will be positioned underneath the Arches of Barrow Road Bridge/Viaduct.
     

     
    Right, back to the workbench - Australia 128 for 5!!!!
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    Comment posted by michael delamar on Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:38 am
     
    really nice work on the track
    I like the shots of the coaling stage being demolished too
     
    Mike
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    Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:05 pm
     


    barrowroad wrote:
    I thought it about time I did an update on my progress with the trackwork.
     
    So far I have built about half of the required pointwork. Starting from the north entrance/exit to the shed the following have been completed:-
    North Crossover Down Main C8Lc
    North Crossover Up Main C8Lc
    North Exit B8R
    North Exit Double Slip 1:6
    Coaling Road Turnout B6Rc
    Wagon Siding Turnout B7Rc
    Coal Plant Wagon Road B6R
    Barrow Road North Exit trackwork 3.jpgBarrow Road North Exit trackwork.jpg
     
    In addition I have just finished the 3 Way Loco Sidings consisting of
    Loco sidings 3-Way B8Lc
    Loco sidings 3-Way C10Rc
    3 Way Crossing 1:6
     
    The position of this 3 Way is shown in the attached templot
    Templot of 3 Way Crossing.jpg
    The finished 3 Way - all pointwork still requires the addition of cosmetic chairs which will be added following positioning and final adjustment - is shown along with the other piece of complicated pointwork, the part completed Tandem crossing, which will be positioned underneath the Arches of Barrow Road Bridge/Viaduct.
    Tandem & 3 Way Crossing 006.jpg
    Right, back to the workbench - Australia 128 for 5!!!!
    England 1 Aussies 0!!
    Very interesting to see your trackwork up close. Stud and wood I presume? I've just spent some time experimenting with trackbuilding in the various mediums including C & L on wood; works quite well (using Butanone) but the 'point' has not been used on a layout so strength is unknown! Keep the pics coming please. England's next victory should spur you on!
    Sincerely 82E
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    Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:00 am
     
    Re. this layout and Black Gill! I believe we could have a competition to see if Barrow Hill can match Black Gill for beauty and atmosphere.
    Any progress on Barrow Hill? Please don't hide this one away until I'm too old to operate this computer!
    Sincerely, P.Fourboys
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    Comment posted by ikks on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:38 am
     
    Brilliant, I love this apect of our hobby.......living in Derby for my first 24 years and being a very active "spotter" between 1958 and 1963, Barrow Road engines were a regular part of my diet.
    Great work...look forward to following this thread.
     
    Rgds....Mike
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  18. barrowroad
    I took my Sheep Pasture layout to the Wigan Show at the weekend - what an excellent show and a big thank you to the organisers.
     
    York Model Makers attended the show and brought with them elements of a kit of laser cut parts for the roundhouse at Barrow Road Shed which they are making for me. The kit of parts is well on the way to completion so here are a few photographs to show the standard of work that can be achieved by this relatively new method - at least to the model railway world - of making accurate scale models.
     
    The specification for this model of the shed is to have fully detailed brickwork - english bond - on the exterior and interior of the shed, detailed roof with roof trusses and fully detailed windows and roof glazing. The shed walls consist of two layers of mdf, one 3mm and the other 2mm, whilst the window frames and doors are laser cut from Rowmark, a hard plastic used specifically for lasers and engraving. The shed window frames consist of two layers of Rowmark which sandwich a layer clear acrylic sheet for the glazing. These three layers are, in turn, sandwiched between the two layers of mdf to form a scale 2ft thick wall of 8mm.
     
    The project includes not only the roundhouse but the sand furnace and chimney, the office/mess/stores complex, a further store at the rear and a boilerhouse. At the rear of the shed there will be a four stall workshop of Midland Railway design to be accessed by 20ft loco turntables.
     


     
     
    All these photos show the parts temporarily assembled and held together by masking tape in order to test the fit of all the current parts.
     
    York Modelmakers can be found at:-
    www.yorkmodelmaking.com/modelrailway.html


  19. barrowroad
    Last night I managed to mark out the all the rivet positions, punch out the holes and fit the rivets.
     
    The attached photo shows all the finished sleepers in position on the template.
     

     
    At the front of the photo is my press tool with the rivet closing tool fixed to it. A croosing sleeper is positioned in the tool to show operation.To the right is the ply punch tool. Both tools are interchangable in the press. In between these tools are 3 sleepers showing the stages of fixing rivets into the ply sleepers. From left to right we have an 8ft 6in ply sleeper with holes punched. Next are two 2mm rivets , followed by the rivets positioned in the holes prior to pressing them closed. Finally we have a finished sleeper complete with rivets.
     
    The tools were obtained from the Scalefour Stores some time ago.
     
    Next on the work schedule is the three 1:6 crossing vees.
  20. barrowroad
    I managed to finish cutting and positioning the ply sleepers for the single slip and turnout this afternoon. The last sleeper is on the guillotine ready for cutting to length it's position shown by the pencil in the foreground.
     

     
    Part of my workbench also showing, in the top left, a variety of ply sleeper jigs for soldering up crossing vees.
     

  21. barrowroad
    Here is the Templot for the South Exit to the shed which consists of a B6 turnout and a Single Slip onto the mainline.
     

     
    The full size template attached to 6mm ply ready for fixing the ply sleepers.
     

     
    That's enough for now - back to the workbench.
  22. barrowroad
    Further progress tonight with the addition of 3 of the 4 pairs of stock rails.
     
    Each stock rail requires a joggle for the switch blade, a number of cosmetic rail joints - each with a Colin Waite fishplate - and a set of funtional chairs where there are no rivets, followed by soldering the stock rail to the rivets.
     
    My new brass Roger Sanders gauge is shown in the photos. This gauge makes fine tuning of the pointwork a pleasure.
     

     

     

  24. barrowroad
    I have just started on the turnout complex in front of the shed.
     

    This George Heiron photo shows the three 'zig zag' turnouts which are the subject of this update.
     
    The next two photos show the relevant part of the Templot track plan of the shed, followed by the ply and rivit sleepers positioned on the template.
     
     

     
     

     
     
    This shows the reduced Templot plan of the relevant trackwork.

     
     
     
    More to follow in the next few days.
  25. barrowroad
    Having successfully transferred my Bristol Barrow Road shed thread front the old site perhaps I should give an update on progress since my last entry.
     
    I have spent some time over the past week producing drawings for the various elevations of the shed, workshop, office/mess/stores block, boiler house and sand furnace. These have been sent to a new company, York Model Makers, to produce a kit of laser etched parts for all these buildings. For those of you who attended Scaleforum this company were present at he show where Chris Dening was demonstrating their products. Watch this space!
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