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  1. rovex
    Thanks for all the kind comments to my last Blog entry.
     
    Having had my two nephews (4 and 7) and their mum stopping with us for the last week the opportunities for modelling have been limited.
     
    Anyway with them packed off back to Leeds, I've been catching up by mass producing chimneys and roofing the central portion of the hotel. The roof has been made as a separate unit so that it can be lifted off to allow me access to the building to finish making all those windows. I've installed some (being those that came with the original Kibri kit, but lots more windows will be needed especially for the back of the hotel. As these are made up from a frame and two sashes, I've been putting it off.
     
    Here's the progress on the front
     

     
    The white structure in front of one of the windows is going to be a newsagents and tobacconists. The original building ended its days festooned with at least three such structures. I've decided to model just the one. I am however intending to add the huge lettering which adorned the front, advertising the fact that this was the Great Western Railways Snow Hill station and the several signs advertising refreshments. I've also bought a large stock of posters to put in the concourse. GWR/BR(WR) didn't seem to mind that these blocked many of the groundfloor windows.
     
    Heres an arial shot, to give an idea of the eventual size of this part of the station. The arched structure supported by the speaker will eventually form the ticket office wall.
     

     
    Right, back to work
     
    Rovex
  2. rovex
    Not much modelling to report as over the last week or so we've been moving house. This house at least is ours (well mainly the bank's) and so I can start proper modelling.
     
    Well I could if I actually had somewhere to build the layout.
     
    For the time being the railway is all in boxes in storage, whilst I save up to build a big shed at the bottom of the garden.
     
    Site of the new shed (hopefully)
     


     
    Till then and once the house has stopped looking like a furniture repository, I can carry on building.
     
    Rovex
  3. rovex
    Having discovered that my brickwork should have been white, I got my spray can out and whited out the brickwork again. Once completely dried I gave this a wash over with diluted black enamel, varying the mix so as not to give a variation in colour. Areas were washed down with more white spirit (like the front of the columns) to add greater variety.
     
    Have also started building both attic pavilions. The arched heads were done with a 10 mm flat drill to make sure there were equal. Ordinary drill bits just chewed up the plastic - very infuriating.
     
    Tell me what you think of the paintwork
     
    Regards
     
    Rovex
     

  4. rovex
    Heres a few photos of the concourse as mocked up.
     
    Its made from 80 thou plastic sheet, supported beneath by 80 thou strips cut 10 mm wide. On top of this will go scribed paving to bring it up to the level of the building and metcalfe cobbles for the road surface.
     



     
    And here's one of the main entrance to the GWR offices
     

     
    Well, back to work
     
    Rovex
  5. rovex
    Just a few photos to show progress. The main front has been built up and glued in place, along with the main concourse entrance and one of the other decorative porches. The central entrance to the old hotel has been started and I've started building up the porticos on the ends (well one at least). I'm simplifying these - the original had three rows of columns, This would have looked a bit squashed on the model and so I've gone for two. I've also decided to remove some of the detritus that had collected on the front. By the time the building was demolished three newsagents kiosks had been added to the exterior. As they do add interest - I think I'll only model one, but thats a long way off.
     
    More work to do tomorrow, including trying to make corinthian style capitals for the columns from milliput. By the way the larger columns are probably going to be cartridge pen refills.
     
    Apologies for some of the fuzzy pictures but I was trying to take them without the flash as it shows up my over zealous use of glue.
     
    Happy Easter everyone.
     
    Rovex




  6. rovex
    Building work continues a pace. The shells of the East and West pavilions have been fashioned and work has started on the front of the central section. The following photos show the ground floor cut out and glued in place. This piece has been scratch built from a large sheet of 80 thou. It has been scored to match the ground floors of the end buildings. The floor of the passage way has also been scribed to represent Victorian Paving slabs (3ft by 2ft). Three porticos will need to be built one for the entrance to the concourse, a cental one for the entrance to the old hotel and then one on the far right next to the east pavilion.
     
    Works stopped for the moment as I've run out of glue. Got some on order - thank goodness for ebay.
     


     
    Rovex
     
    PS Have been working on the main concourse entrance and here are a few photos to show progress.
     


     
    The carving is made up of milliput moulded into rough shapes and then pushed into place. The quoins round the arch shown in the original will be put in place when I glue it onto the model, the arch will also be beefed up at the same time. The parabola for the arch was marked out on card and then cut out using scissors, this means I can use it as a template for the other side of the station as well. There's a very good book called "Bridges for modellers" which shows how parabolas are formed - something to do with drawing out two circles and then joining points on each circle - Not the best description but honestly the book makes it much clearer - lol
  7. rovex
    As one does when you don't have a railway I've been thinking about what to build next, I want to utilise as much of the saved buildings from the old railway as possible, so this would mean it has to be quite a size, (so hopuse hunting has been a bit difficult what with prices in Redditch being somewhat higher than my backwater in Leeds. So as well as a house that has room for large Victorian furniture, I also need a large garage, or play room or a garden big enough to allow me to build one and still allow Kevin room to have the dog he's always wanted.
     
    Being so close to Birmingham my thoughts turned to Snow Hill (nothing like being ambitious and to be honest I was somewhat inspired by this thread from the old RMweb (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=40583) called Solsbury Hill but based on the pre 1908 Snow Hill - actually I'd love to know how this is coming along)
     
    I spent Saturday in Birmingham City Archives seeing what plans they have of Birmingham Snow Hill. The answer seems to be very little - Railways apparently being exempt from the old planing process. Any model would be very loosely based on it - thus Brackhampton and not Birmingham - that and my love for Agatha Christie novels. I've got plenty of photos and plans for the platform buildings I was trying to find something useful about the Ticket Hall and Station Hotel as well as tryiung to understand the layout of the offices and access roads above the station. I've only got a few photos. I'm stuck between scratch building the hotel or kit bashing the Vollmer Kit for the Palais apartments (3775). I intend using one of the faller train sheds for the roof of the ticket hall
     
    This is the Vollmer kit
     

     
    and this is the real thing
     

     
    it's not a bit like the real thing, but i hoped if I increased the height of the ground floor, added a few columns to the end bays, stretched out the middle, got rid of those rather nasty bay windows and removed the roof and those great curved dormers adding an extra storey to the ends and those rather trade mark chimneys I might be able to make something that would at least have the right scale and be passable, well at least in the dark with the lights off.
     
    If anyones got some decent photos or better still access to plans - I understand that BR sold most of them off in the 80's I'd be grateful. I think I've probably got most of whats readily available - (two books specifically about Snow Hill and of course that textbook on GWR architecture which has a very comprehensive section on the platform buildings)
     
    Cheers
     
    Rovex
  8. rovex
    Whilst I collect the bits and pieces necessary to have a go at bashing together a Saint class loco, I thought I'd pull out the articulated stock. These are ca couple of photos of the job so far - as u can see not much progress made. This is one half of the set - brake, third and compo, the rest is a mirror image, its been rested on the bogies for the moment. I really need to decide how close to put them and this will depend on the eventual radius of the layout when built. Still a lot of work to do as the photos I think make obvious.
     


     
    On a different note, I've now sold my old house in Leeds, and we've had an offer accepted on one here in Redditch. Its not big enough for a railway, but it has a massive garden - well massive for a semi anyway and so funds and time permitting I should be able to build a huge shed in the garden - fingers crossed.
     
    Rovex
  9. rovex
    I've posted this here as well as in the topic on the Hornby Saint and hope the administrators will forgive me the duplication, on reflection it seemd more appropriate here on my blog.
     
    I think I may also have to change the blog title if thats permitted, since I seem to be straying from the title topic, how about "building all things GW"?
     
    Anyway I've been doing a bit of thinking and am wondering whether I can make a hash at a model of a Saint as follows.
     
    Bachman Hall - rewheeled with correct or approaching correct size wheels.
     
    Cut off the cab and cut out the boiler, discard running plate. keep boiler - might have to use the older modified Hall as running plate on new Hall I seem to recall is metal - Course this depends on the modified Hall having the right wheelbase.
     
    Use footplate of Hornby Castle (I've got a spare body. This gives the correct depth to the curve on the front of the footplate. Probably cut of splashers, make good and refit in correct place and probably cut down a bit, remove and filler where the inside pistons project onto footplate
     
    Extend firebox on Hall boiler by about 2 mm, this should give it the correct length, rest of boiler dimensions seem OK.
     
    Replace cab with correct pattern (probably old 4-4-0 County one).
     
    Replace buffers, chimney and saftey valve as required.
     
    It probably wouldn't win any prizes but I think it might give a passable representation, the cost might be prohibitive, but I'd try and pick up the bits off ebay. And given the costs of even badly built saints on ebay is in excess of 70/80 quid (and there are based on the old B12 chassis and thus incorrect) it might work out cheaper
     
    Any thoughts?
     
    Rovex
  10. rovex
    Not a GWR coach at all - but it didn't seem worthwhile starting a new thread for one picture. I'd asked elsewhere about problems with the old Hornby Saint - and wow was that a case of lighting the blue touch paper and retiring.
     
    Anyway it stirred me into having a go at knocking up a Star (Saint to Star? Don't ask) I can't claim any credit for the process as its all detailed elsewhere on other threads - have a look at the thread on the Hornby Saint for the links.
     
    This is based on the old Airfix Castle, but I've been lucky enough to get hold of a Hogwarts Castle for under ??20 of ebay and will be using the motorised chassis and tender from that to put under the Airfix body, and dispensing with the Airfix tender drive. I'm intending to model "Glastonbury Abbey" as I quite like the sound of it and it also had the larger style tender. A paint job for this and the red hogwarts tender awaits but I'm in a quandary as to whether these engines carried BR black in the early BR days, or lined green. They were after all express locos which would suggest green but the only colour photo I've come across (and believe me finding any photos of Stars is a challenge) would seem suggest black? Alternatively as the proposed railway is meant to be 1950, I might go for a late GWR livery.
     
    Anyone any thoughts on livery?
     
    Rovex
     

  11. rovex
    I've been in Leeds for the last couple of weeks doing some 12 inch to the foot modelling - that is decorating my old house in an effort to make it presentable to potential buyers.
     
    My partner and I have found somewhere we want to buy here in Redditch but we need to sell the old homestead first. Hopefully all will go smoothly and as soon as I'm allowed I can start building a layout to run these trains on.
     
    Anyway having got back last Sunday I've been busy building the two dining cars for the centenary stock that I dug out of my father's garage (much to everyone's disgust - "Is that what we moved all this stuff for!!!" - some people have no understanding - lol). I also found a kit for another all third which i didn't realise I had. Once all are built I should be able to run something approaching a proper centenary train, with all coach variations provided. (God I only hope Hornby don't announce new Centenaries as coaching stock that wouldn't be funny .
     
    So for those interested here are the five new coaches after initial painting - For a change no bits of paint have come away having permanently attached themselves to the masking tape. I lightly sanded the aluminium sides of the old BSL kits which I think helped. And very little paint beleding - miracles will never cease.
     
    The two brakes are the Airfix conversions shown elsewhere on this blog. Still plenty to do - so will keep me occupied over the Xmas hols.
     
    Happy Xmas and New Year everyone
     
    Rovex
     

  12. rovex
    Having sanded and filled the sides for the centenary brake third and being quite please with the result I thought I'd have a go at the brake composite using the same cut and shunt methods of which more in a mo.
     
    The brake third has now had its grey undercoat, this highlighted those areas which needed some more filling and I think it now looks quite smooth. I tried taking a few close up shots but there are so blurred I couldn't tell whether it was smooth or not from the photos, so I've not bothered posting them.
     
    In the brake third it was only the compartment and guards section that was cut out so the luggage section remained unharmed. The new sections were glued together one at a time using small amounts superglue kept solely on the edges. The bottom of each side was presed against a steel rule to keep them all square, any gaps would later be filled. These pieces were sanded smooth, but not filled before gluing back into the gap in the coach side making sure that the bottom of the coach side remained in line and that the transition between old side and new section was also flat. Again superglue was used sparingly to ensure that the glue set quickly. Once solid more glue was applied from behind and allowed to run down inside and along the top edge to fill any glaring gaps but making sure it was kept off the front face.
     
    Once this was all set the sides were filled with milliput, then sanded and filled again. Sanded once again, given an initial spray. This helped to highlight where more work was needed and these areas were given a final fillering, using small amounts of milliput and plenty of spit !! It has proved easier to hide the joins then I thought (though I'll let you judge when I post pictures of the finished result), I think the reason for this has something to do with the lack of doors and extra details, so I haven't had to worry about sanding off door hinges etc.
     
    The same process was used for the brake compo, which as you see from the photos is at the pre filler stage. I used the composite as the main coach with donor parts from two brake thirds (you need two to get enough little corridor windows). Wasteful I know and so unless you happen to have lots of spare coaches lying around I would recommend either getting hold of the phoenix/BSL kits or the the Comet sides. As I am going to have a lot of coach bodies going spare when I finally build the dining car kits, I wasn't so bothered by the waste.
     
    Here are the photos
     

     
    Anyway Leeds next week and I will hopefully find where those dining car kits are I keep going on about.
     
    Rovex
  13. rovex
    Having got a tad bored of drilling little holes in my 70 ft stock in order to attach grab handles I've put them to one side - I'm very easily distracted as well which doesn't help. I've done a bit more work on the BSL Centenary all third, it's has door hinges, handles and door handles fitted and the roof has been cut to size and the requisite vents added. Now needs masking for the blood to be added. The photo shows it next to an airfix composite to give an idea of the actual differences in the coaches. I intend using some cut up interiors from the composite to make the required seven compartments. I should have plenty as I'm going to use the frames of two coaches when I make the BSL restaurant cars which I'll do when I find the kits I've got squat away.
     

     
    The other centenary I've had a go at- I couldn't resist seeing if it was possible - is the left handed brake third. The Hornby (ex-airfix) model is the right handed version. Its quite straightforward to get the sides right - you cut out an equal amount of each side - I think it was about 96 mm, splice each side up to move the windows around, glue them back together in the right order and then insert back into the coach sides. The luggage section of each was identical (or seems to be). I sanded the new side pieces on the table before gluing them back in, as this seemed easier. The problem is going to be ensuring you have smooth sides (there are no door frames to hide the cuts) I think I'm getting there but I've just given the resulting coach a spray of undercoat which will I am sure reveal all.
     
    The roof was changed by splicing off the vents and putting each one on the opposite side of the roof. Effectively mirroring their old positions. Any moulded handrails have been cut off and the coach drilled to accept new wire ones. I've not added these yet pending any more sanding that needs doing.
     
    Any way here are the pictures along with some of the original coach showing that right and left handed versions are mere mirror images.
     

     
    I'm looking at the drawings for the brake composite and wondering if i can do this by cutting up a composite and a brake third but I'm inclined to think I'll have more success with the BSL kit, unless the Comet sides will fit the Hornby coaches - now there's a thought.
     
    And I promise I will get those grab handles on the 70 ft stock.
     
    Rovex
  14. rovex
    The brake third is now finished, I've added the missing "W"s to the coach number, lining has all been done and the coach given a coat of varnish to protect the transfers from coming off on my fingers.
     
    The flushglazing has been added. Rather than paint round the window frames, I tried painting round the glazing before fitting, seems to work ok. Grab handles are from Comet and seem a little on the thick side, though I can imagine any finer and they would be prone to damage. Corridor connections have been added and all it needs now is a layout!!!!!!
     
    The photos show the coach alongside a 57ft all third - made from kitbashing more Hornby coaches. Really gives an idea of the length of these coaches. More photos will follow as I finish off the others.
     

     
     
    Rovex
  15. rovex
    Apropos of nothing in particular I was wondering why Hornby decided to model the 57ft GWR collett composite coach and get the compartment dimensions wrong. For those not in the know it is supposed to have four first class compartments and three third class. Now, whilst the division in the corridor side is in the correct place in the coach one of the first class compartments is actually the wrong size. Its got third class dimensions.
     
    It has occured to me that this coach shares the same chassis as the old (rather ghastly) LMS corridor composite. I wonder if the internal piece that represents the compartments was actually made for the LMS coach and rather than manufacture a new interior, the GWR coach was fiddled to fit the one already available. This would also explain the toilets at each end - yes I know the GWR coach has toilets at each end - but it doesn't have end vestibule doors and the interior is obviously meant for a coach that has.
     
    Well there it is - not exactly earth shattering and probably not news but it has puzzled me why a manufacturer would go out of its way to make a coach with such an obvious error. Hopefully Hornby will take pity on us Western modellers and give us some new state of the art coaching stock, I'd rather have that then a new all singing Castle (I seem to havea few of these already and have no intention of replacing them).
     
    Is it too early to start the New Year wishlist - hehe
     
    Rovex
  16. rovex
    Not the best quality photo, I think the enlarging hasn't done me any favours but then its difficult to know what to expect when you're trying to get fout foot of model carriages into one photo - but anyway I'm posting it for what its worth.
     
    Please excuse all the mess on the mantelshelf.
     
    Rovex
  17. rovex
    Not been upto much lately, but have given the latest two coaches an undercoat of grey primer, which is brilliant for showing where you need to do more sanding and filling . Added all the end details handles steps etc. I've got the underframes built (just need some more vacuum cylinders) and the interiors bashed together from Hornby remnants.
     
    The brake third just needed a luggage compartment building, the all third was made by cutting and splicing the four third class compartments from the brakes (you lose the guards compartment as its too large) and a further two compartments came from a spare composite interior.
     
    The photos show the coaches mocked up with bogies but these still need fitting. I'm gonna fit some new grab handles (etched ones from comet) but I'm wondering if I could make a jig up to make these from brass wire.
     
    I'm gonna fit flushglazing. When originally built these ran in rakes of seven, two brakes, two thirds, two composites and a restaurant car, and its very tempting to make another three coaches (i've already got two spare composites) however by the time I'm modelling, the original sets had long been broken up and it would probably be more interesting seeing these coaches mixed in with 60ft and 57 ft stock and whatever Hornby eventually decide to grace us GWR modellers with.
     
    So heres the photos
     
    Some rather fuzzy ones of the underframes and the interiors but I think they give you the idea of how the compartments were put together. The underframes themselves were made of 80 thou plasticard, edged by two strips of 20 thou. Running boards were added from more stips of 20 thou. Be careful with the glue - I'm always a little heavy handed and its easy to end up warping the whole thing. This is why I glued the compartments on with small dobs of superglue. In fact I used this for gluing the coach bodies together, its very good for filling gaps and gives a stronger bond then liquid poly.
     
    Now two of the all third and finally the brake third..
     
    Oh by the way i didn't win the auction on ebay for the BSL kits of the 70 footers, but I did get a centenary all third (I've got the kitchen first car and third diner in store somewhere) and I also got the restaurant composite to go with the kitchen car in the Cornish Riviera stock. One thing you can say my passengers will be well fed.
     
    Rovex
  18. rovex
    I have been a busy bee today and have got the carcases for both the 70 ft brake third and the corridor all third roughly cut out and glued together.
     
    The brake is made up from three of the Hornby 57 ft brake thirds - it could probably be more economically done, the only real difference is that the luggage compartment is bigger - having three sets of double doors and a greater space between them. However nothing has been wasted as the bits left obver from the compartments from two of the brake thirds where just right for the all third. On the corridor side I opened up the two small windows between the compartment doors and the guards door (does that make sense)
     
    One of the photos shows the various cuts I made for the brake third.
     
    Next job is filling and sanding, also the brake third ends will need squaring off as I believe that these had flat ends rather than bowed.

    The work never ends.
     
    It has suddenly occurred to me that with all this coach building I'm gonna have to have a lot of room to build a station big enough to handle all these cross country services - Oh dear
     
    rovex
  19. rovex
    This is a continuation of my topic about GWR coaches and increasing passenger choice - (very topical - lol)
     
    I will try to put a link to the old topic when the sites back up and running - though at the moment I'm still trying to work my way round the new site - as a bear of very little brain I'm easily confused but as Basil Fawlty says "now we're in I'm determined to make it work".
     
    Anyway with the articulated suburban stock taking a back burner for a while, I'm trying my hand at the South Wales 70 ft stock.
     
    The first two examples are the composite restaurant car and the corridor composite (stock numbers to follow) the body shells are from Hornby originals and I'm going to try scratchbuilding the underframes as I feel this will be more robust then cutting up and regluing the old Hornby ones.
     
    The first couple of photos represent the body shell for the composite


     
    This requires two composite coaches and the insertion of an extra first and third compartment in the middle. The work also allows you to sort out incorrect spacing of the corridor windows.
     
    These next two photos are the body shell for the restaurant car.
     


     
    This was done by adding an extra window to each end, from a second restaurant car and then as the kitchen appears to be on the other side of the coah swapping the kitchen windows and the corridor windows around.
     
    I think the photos show where the cuts have been made.
     
    and finally I'm not bothering trying to upgrade the Hornby ends, I cut two many slices out of my fingers the last time I tried this, So I've just replaced them with plastic card and added the relevant details

     
    Obviously a long way to go, I also plan to try the 70 brake third and will then see if I have enough bits left over to try the all third - though this might be simpler to buy the Comet sides.
     
    Again inspiration copmes from Allan Tidders website GW Works linked to from the previous topic.
     
    Rovex
  20. rovex
    Following on from last nights post, here's the same thing after ten years of wear and tear.
     




     
    Weathering has been done with some Humbrol white weathering powder and some old cars weathering powders, mainly black, brown and rust. The leadroof was first washed with the white powder and white spirit. Lead tends to whiten as it ages and then it was given a wash of the black and whiote white spirit. This took the edge of the white and added the soot.
     
    The sides were done in a mixture of the brown and black. whit copious amounts of white spirit to prevent it looking to extreme.
     
    Finally the girders were done in rust. This has been washed down a couple of times and I may do it again, as I had forgotten just how far a little rust powder goes.
     
    Dean
  21. rovex
    Impressed with what can be acheived with 3D printing I have been having a play over the weekend with "Sketchup" a free 3D drawing programme that can be downloaded off the interweb.
     
    I had intended to use the ratio canopy kits to produce the extensive canopies that covered the bay platforms at Snow Hill. Each one being approximately a metre long (or more) in model form. However the work needed to beef these up was concerning me, and I wasn't sure that they would look high enough.
     
    They also (whilst a prototypical GWR design) weren't right for Snow Hill - Although I don't know why I'm being so precious on that score.
     
    Anyway having seen other people's efforts I thought I would at least try and draw some up and see If could create something that could be printed up. Given the nature of the beast it lends itself to a mass production technique like 3D printing.
     
    So here is my attempt at drawing the support column and cross beams. - lots of these will be needed.
     

     

     
    I'm quite pleased with it. the programme is quite easy to grasp, The only thing I haven't got to grips with is making rivets - any ideas anybody.
     
    Dean
  22. rovex
    Well this 3d printing malarkey is something that can cause the brain to melt and dribble out of your ears. I have been playing around with a model for the overall roof columns. The hope is that if I can succesfully design one than it can be amended to create the other two types.
     
    So having beavered away, I then have to convert it to a "dae" file, then download another programme and convert it to an "stl" file, then downlaod another programme , because Shapeways doesn't like the design - something to do with holes - this programme every time I pressed fix made it worse. Finally I discovered a function which allowed you to upload the model to the cloud - it fixed it and then you downloaded it.
     
    However something funny happens along the way a model which started out as 92 mm is suddenly 3.2mm abns too small for Shapeways.
     
    So I go back through the conversion process and open it in Sketchup, now its over 16 metres long?????
     
    Anyway after reducing it down again I've managed to get it to upload to Shapeways.
     
    The girders for the canopy were too thin? so I have to decide whether to proceed or beef them up a bit - they only seem to be 0.1mm to thin, so I might risk it and see what one of each looks like.
     
    Anyway here is a presentable version of the roof columns
     

  23. rovex
    Last week I finally took the plunge and ordered the results of my CAD doodles. I sent for one roof pillar and enough canopy parts to make up some three sections.
     
    I decided not to buy the valance sides and having designed a roof and failed to upload it properly decided from a cost point of view that these bits could be more readily constructed from plasticard.
     
    When the items arrive I shall post the results.
     
    For the last few days I have been playing with the roof column to make a piece for the sides of the roof. Here are the preliminary results.
     

     
    an amended column and screen - still needs the lower part of the screen wall designing.
     

     
    and here a bit of a play to show what they will look like with several joined together.
     
    Dean
  24. rovex
    As promised in my last entry, I have finished the design work on a section of the platform building. My idea is to create a kit of parts and to create the platofmr buildings from this "pack" of standard parts.
     
    This is the image for the first of these, what I might call "full length large windows section". All the time has been taken in adding the brickwork. it all having to be drawn in by hand - if you thought scribing individual bricks was a long haul - think again.
     

     
    A column with attached wall section will go either end of this piece and so on.
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