darren chpamn

23 hours ago, br2975 said:

 

I'll give you all the number series I have to hand

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CRM 1 - CRM 24 (CRM=Cardiff Rod Mill)

All ex-BR Bogie Bolster 'D' wagons, renumbered and repainted form the CD series q.v.

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SB100 - SB143 (SB=Short Billet)

Initially all ex-PO TTA/TTB underframes, but supplemented by ex Celtic Energy, former BR HEA hopper underframes from 1996

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K131 - P199

Mainly Bogie Bolster 'C', Rectanks, Warflats  and ex-LNER Bogie Bolsters, with prefixes of P, J, Q, TOR or Z; mainly phased out during the early 1990s.

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L200 - L211

ex-LNE / LMS & BR Plates, used for carrying scrap wire coils from the Castle Works to the Tremorfa steelworks

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BSM200 - BSM207 (BSM = Bar and Section Mill)

ex-BR 'Turbot' for carrying billets to the Bar & Section Mill

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MC172, MC177, MC201 - MC206 / MC503-MC518  random numbers in this series.

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MP 244,MP246,MP319,MP 395

The last of a large class of scrap carriers, former 16 ton minerals and 27 ton Tipplers.

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C301 - C302

ex-BR Weltrol wagons, used for carrying 'wire coil' eye to the sky.

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MB410 - MB499 (MB=Merchant Bar)

Merchant Bar billet carriers

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BM501-BM520 (BM=Bar Mill)

Bar Mill billet carriers, former BR 'JZV' Slabcoil wagons, an ex-GWR 'Crocodile, and ex-BPCM tank underframes.

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CD600-CD674 (CD=Cardiff Docks) 

plus two never converted, due to liquidation.

24 converted to CRM, see above, and in the process of being converted back to CD when ASW went into receivership. 

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SC700-SC714

All ex-BR 42 ton 'Boplate' wagons, for carrying wire coil'eye to side'

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LLC720-LLC729 (later renumbered SC720-SC729

ex-BR 42 ton 'Boplate' wagons for carrying wire coil 'eye to side'

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LC730-LC766 (LC=Long Coil, WC=Wide Coil)

at least 18 rebuilt, and reprefixed WC, and another 4 'Plates' renumbered CSW61- CSW64 (CSW=Carrington South Wales)

ex-BR 21 ton 'Plate' wagons and Coil 'E' (KEV)

There was great variety amongst these wagons, just the axleboxes alone included Splitbox, Platefront, roller bearings, Hybox & Athermos.

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CB800-CB804 (CB=Condemned billet)

Originally 'Warflat' wagons, initially rebuilt  with large box bodies for carrying scrap, but the boxes were removed  1997/1998 and bolsters and stanchions fitted.

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KW900-KW937 (KW=Korky's Wagons)

ex-PDUF POA 'Black Adder' scrap wagons, replaced on the mainline by JNA bogie boxes.

Used for fragmentised scrap between Birds / Slag Reductuion and the Tremorfa steelworks.

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RM1-RM8 (RM=Rod Mill)

ex-PDUF and ASW KW series wagons with cut down bodies (for safety reasons) to carry a specific scrap flow from the cardiff Rod Mill aka Castle Works to Tremorfa

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TW1 (TW=Test Weight)

ex-PDUF POA 'Black Adder' loaded with scrap billets to a defined and accurate weight, with a steel sheet welded over the top.

Used for testing the company rail weighbridges.

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BF962-BF979 (BF=Birds Fragmentisers)

'Red Adder' scrap boxes, the internal user version  of mainline 'Black Adder' wagons

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BF990-BF999 (BF=Birds Fragmentisers)

Warflat and former BR KGV ? coil wagon conversions of Warflats, fitted with box bodies in the late 80s for scrap carrying. Boxes removed 1997/1998 and wagons converted to CB wagons.

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BE92953-BE93288, (BE=Bar Export)

14 wagons, former FPA container wagons, converted from shortened TEA tank wagon underframes.

4 were still awaiting conversion when ASW went to the wall

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RR1 (RR=Re railing)

A former GWR 'Toad' brakevan used to carry a generator, jacks, packing and tools for rerailing stock

RR2

A former LC series Plate wagon, used with the 'Toad' RR1

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B954734, B954532

ex-BR 20 ton standard brake vans, bought by ASW with the intention of using them to transport visitors around the network.

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Hope this helps ?

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Brian R

Thanks brian that does help loads  

Hi brian 

Now I have 5ime to go through the information  so far 

I was wondering if you had number ranges 

The CD and MB wagons  

And if you had any other pictures of these ranges of wagons

 Kind regards daz

13 minutes ago, br2975 said:

Not really, no.

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MB wagons were painted in many different colour schemes with no apparent reasoning

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MB484 had a yellow livery with black stripes (1990), but most were blue, then came those in green, and at least one was in the same grey as the CD wagons.

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The fleet was always evolving

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When Celsa (UK) took over the operation, virtually all the ASW wagons had been scrapped, so Celsa replaced the MB wagons with around two dozen BD series, all ex BDA wagons, which initially had their floors removed so you could see through the wagon underframes to the track below.

Thank you for fast response  on my questions

I've seen picture of the Celsa fleet very dull in comparison to asw fleet of wagons

Hence my interest in modelling them instead  

I'm  sure I will have many more questions to ask  in the future 

Daz

6 minutes ago, br2975 said:

The MB (Merchant Bar) wagons were a more diverse fleet than the 'almost' standardised CD (Cardiff Docks) series.

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They were numbered MB410 - MB499 (with gaps) and comprised mainly ex-BR Bogie Plates, but also ex-LNER Bogie Bolster 'D', ex-LMS Bogie Bolster 'D', ex-BR Bogie Bolster 'D' , ex-GWR Bogie Bolster 'C' and a solitary ex-BR 'Flatrol EZ' formerly B900502.

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Virtually all the pre-nationalisation wagons were bereft of their former builders plates, and it appears ASW and their predecessor GKN never kept records, making positive identification of these  impossible.

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Most BR built wagons retained their builders plates.

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Over the years, the wagons were rebuilt, with different decks, bolsters, stanchions and some had additional angle iron welded to the truss rodding.

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Photo 1 - shows an unidentified former 42 ton Bogie Plate, fitted with BR (WR) 'Plate' bogies, and 'open' style buffers. In the photo (taken 1990)  it is parked alongside the 'foreshore' at Cardiff Docks freshly loaded with imported billets for rolling at the Castle Works (Cardiff Rod Mill).

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Photo 2 - shows MB431, an unidentified former LNER 42 ton Bogie Bolster D at Channel sidings circa 1990. This wagon runs on diamond frame bogies, and also has the 'open' style buffers. 

MB431 also has been fitted with newer bolsters and stanchions.

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Photo 3 - shows the deck and bolsters of MB438, another unidentified former LNER Bogie Bolster 'D' running on BR (WR) 'Plate' bogies and again fitted with 'open' style buffers. This 2002 photo was taken along the 'Fence Road' near the castle Works (Cardiff Rod Mill).

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Photo 4 - shows MB492 (ex-B947259) parked on 'The Prairie' at Tremorfa in 1990. "Red Adder" BF975 and the corner of a former Warflat scrap box is also seen. The original EAF and its billet banks are behind BF975

were the br wagons painted yellow and the pre national blue?

Thank you Brian 

The information and pictures are very helpfull to me 

Its gave me enough to start working on  and help identify wagon pictures I found too 

I have a few questions if you can answer them

Did the MB  and CD fleets have any alterations done to them for example  bolsters removed or metal fabricated  bolster added 

The LC how many lost there sides for side loading

Regards Darren 

Hi brian

I would like a better understanding of what  the wagon types there are 

And the purpose  

I know some will be very obvious  like scrap carriers and billet wagons etc

Also what wagons worked on what plants. 

My end goal is to build a steel works layout based on wagon used by asw 

With a wide variety  of different wagon but at the same time a prototypical  feel 

So any information would be grateful 

Regards darren

Im looking for information on the asw internal wagon fleet  during the 1990s 

i have a few pictures i've found on line but have no details of numbers and uses

any information would be helpful

Daz

hi

Im looking for information on the asw internal wagon fleet  during the 1990s 

i have a few pictures i've found on line but have no details of numbers and uses

any information would be helpful

daz

Hi I would like to model a thornaby class 37 in either original railfrieght  or red stripe ivery but I was wondering what loco were still in this livery in 92 ?

Any help would be most welcomed 

Daz

47 minutes ago, hmrspaul said:

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/hsa

 

Paul

Hi paul

I have already checked you pictures out  your the goto  website to go to

Daz

26 minutes ago, guzzler17 said:

Here's some numbers taken from a 1991 wagon book published by SCT Publishing

 

360008, 19, 23, 73, 75, 78, 87, 97, 122 - 124, 127, 135, 139, 143, 145, 149, 163, 169, 173, 177, 179, 183, 192, 215, 226, 228, 239, 251, 252, 260, 265, 267, 287, 311, 312, 320, 325, 329, 333, 339, 351, 353, 357, 358, 371, 391, 422, 424, 451, 454, 457, 458, 460, 466, 477, 500, 502, 511, 527, 532, 537, 539, 541, 542, 544, 548, 572, 595, 600, 603, 610, 613, 615, 616, 627, 639, 649, 652, 664, 665, 702, 707, 713, 728, 729, 737, 743, 748, 766

 

Would that do you as there's at least another 4 pages worth of data which would probably yield at least the same amount of numbers as above?

Thanks that great , that will give me enough to work with 

Daz

Hi everyone 

I'm after any information  on wagon numbers of  HSA scrap wagons in the early 90s onwards if anyone could help , they seem to be very hard to find pictures of while in service  

Regards Daz

Do you have the later departmental diagram  book 

As looking for diagrams drawing on ex parrot cable drum carriers

I'm looking for pictures and information on some power supply section  wagons

One is the twin spindle parrot wagons  the other is bogie welltrols that were coverted into cable laying wagons .

Regards darren

23 hours ago, roythebus1 said:

They also had the standard EP brake as well as the Westinghouse air brake.

 

I worked on them a couple of times when I was 2ndman at Kings Cross. Yes they had connecting doors between the 2 cars. they were used on the Northern city Line when it was being rebuilt and OHLE work on the main lines.

Thanks for the info  

39 minutes ago, keefer said:

Was searching for pics but came across the 'driver's manual' for the units at locodocs.co.uk:

http://locodocs.co.uk/brmanuals/97Class97-7LocomotivesGenDataStaticDutiesFaultFinding1981-1.htm

(Click 'Next' to go through the pages)

 

From the description given in the Introduction:

Units can move singly but operate in pairs (one 'A' unit and one 'B' unit)

Screw-coupled with air-brakes and control jumper connected.

Access doors provided on inner ends with a gangway bridge plate between units.

 

Annoyingly a pic/drawing of the inner ends is not provided!

 

Still looking for a photo.

EDIT: https://newtonabbotrailwaystudies.co.uk/portfolio-item/2274/

This is the closest  I've found 

Hi I'm finding it very hard to find pictures  of the internal  ends of the very elusive units the only oicturs I have found is at Doncaster works while being converted has anyone got any pictures while in service 

Also  were they permanently coupled as a pair ?

Any information  on these would be grateful  

Regards daz

Thanks 37114

  I've built some comet/sp conversion  of some bulleid coaches  so know what's involved 

Hi has anyone built a southern pride class 305 emu kit ?

Are they any good ?

Daz

Thanks

3 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

People need some relief in the middle of winter, and have done since people and northern winters came together, that's why every society in these latitudes has some sort of "blow out" around the turning of the year.

 

Its had various forms of religious trappings put on it, from the magico-pagan to the late-arriving-Christian, and now the worship of Coca-Cola and consumerism, but none of that is at the core. The core is that it is dark all the time, cold most of it, and people need something life-enhancing to prevent them becoming overwhelmingly depressed. They need light, warmth, friends, family (the ones they get on with anyway), and to forget their troubles for a few days.

 

And they will take it, whether legislators permit or not, as was well-proven during The Commonwealth, when an attempt was made to damp it down.

 

So, HMG has a choice: try to engineer us to a point where we get some sort of christmas without killing too many of us in the process; or, attempt tight suppression, and get anarchy and a lot more deaths.

 

I do get what you are saying and I would love to see my children and rest of my family  over xmas  but they understand  my choice  and are doing the same  for the greater good , we as people have no self control  look at some of the scenes  while we have been in lockdown  beaches rammed  full of people no social  distancing  pubs full with no attempt  of socail distancing  if we give people a inch they will all ways take a mile  maybe because I've had this awful virus and seen the effects to not just me but my wife and 78 year old  mum I see things differently 

11 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:

 

The exclusive ‘Christmas bubble’ can only be composed of people from no more than three households (e.g. One family from Brighton, one family from Cardiff and one family from Glasgow)

 

People can only be in one Christmas bubble (i.e. ONLY those 3 families can meet together)

 

People cannot change your Christmas bubble (i.e. The family from Brighton / Cardiff / Edinburgh cannot meet up with ANYONE ELSE over Christmas!)

 

People can only meet as a Christmas bubble in private homes or in your garden, places of worship, or public outdoor spaces

 

People cannot meet someone in a private dwelling who is not part of your household or Christmas bubble (i.e. the Brighton family cannot also have their best friends from Hove 

I know this is ment to happen but if a person from a high infection  area travels the risk of spreading the virus is more  I just this it's a joke   

3 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:

Shopping in itself is not a massive driver of infection - social distancing measures etc mean its relatively safe. The greatest chances of infection are in fact social gatherings - which is why hospitality venues are still under restrictions / shut for Tier 2 and Tier 3 areas. These restrictions are not going to be relaxed over Christmas.

Funny that I work I retail wear a mask and clean my hands not been anywear elsewhere but work to home and caught it my boss  was exactly  the same when she caught in march

   my local Pub a member of staff have it not one pub user caught it 

At the start of this most people wore a mask I've watched the numbers wearing  get lower and lower  

Also you cant control what people touch with in a retail setting 

12 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:

 

The point is to try and stop it going 'pot' BEFORE Christmas, thus allowing the relaxation (and increase in cases) to not overwhelm the health service in January.

 

Of course people mixing is going to increase infection rates - something the NHS and experts are very well aware of.

 

However both experts and the Government know that people (voters) won't put up with cancelling Christmas and if denied official licence to celebrate will do so anyway. Short of locking up the masses (not that we have anywhere near enough facilities to do that anyway) its just not feasible to stop and any attempt to do so will not be forgotten by the electorate when elections come round again.

 

People are not robots unfortunately - they generally embraced the lockdown in the spring but as winter approaches that goodwill is copious by its absence (as was predicted by the experts who advised the Government over its spring lockdown I hasten to add) and no amount of lecturing is going to change that.

 

 

As to why Christmas is given precedence over other religions,  the UK is still notationally a 'Christian Country' with the majority of the population that do subscribe to a faith being of that grouping. Moreover even if they may not exactly espouse Christian values any attempt themselves to 'ban Christmas' will be gleefully taken on by the press who have been only too happy to wage campaigns against 'Politically correct' renamings (e.g. the holiday season, Winterval, etc) or the removal of nativity scenes from official buildings etc. Nigel Farage and Co would also regard it as an ideal opportunity to rally the bigoted against foreigners etc.

 

Its also worth noting that even in staunchly secular countries like France - Christmas is still officially celebrated.

 

We don't expect India to not officially celebrate Diwali because of Covid any less than we expect Muslim nations to cancel Ramadan. Yes tailor things to minimise the potential for it leading to virus flare ups such as restrictions on group sizes but a blanket cancellation is just as unacceptable in those places as a blanket Christmas cancellation would be over here.

 

 

On the 23nd a teir 3 will have become unlocked with areas of high infection being able to move around for 5 days with the uk  we have had lockdown for a month and only now have we started to see results meaning g two more weeks we will still be higher than when we locked down for the second time . Also with the lost month of xmas shooting the towns will be busier  than they would mean easy movement of the infection yet again  , with othe religious groups  this year Look at the pictures of the mecca  pilgrimage  this year to other you will see a vast difference  

How did you make the template ?