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Something different at the bottom right of the firebox - no idea of what they are.

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Will the wartime locos come with blackout curtains as all wartime ones would have used them at night ?

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If anyone here is going to the MODEL RAIL LIVE exhibition this weekend, could you please ask the Model Rail people if they have confirmed that they will be producing the Class 12 versions.

Thank-you,

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Did the fish vans only run in dedicated fish express trains, or were smaller numbers cut out of the expresses to go to as part of ordinary fast goods to smaller destinations ?

Also, why did they have steam heating pipes as I thought fish needed to be kept cold  -  were they just steam through pipes ?

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Are you rishi ? - that is not evidence.

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9 hours ago, Hobby said:

 

To start with they'll produce stuff that sells well to establish a new scale in the UK. Bearing in mind that the Southern is probably the fourth most popular of the Big Four and even modern stuff is more popular it's unlikely for several years. Though we could see a Southern express loco in 5/10 years. It's not an embargo, simply common sense when looking at potential sales. 

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Any evidence for that rather silly assertion ?

Southern models (pre-grouping, grouping and British Railways are extremely popular, only Hornby seem to have gone off them.

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I hope that Hornby will produce a Southern Region "C" or "700" class 0-6-0 (or at a pinch an N class 2-6-0) as they otherwise seem to have a total embargo on Southern items.

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45 minutes ago, Vistisen said:

The problem is that everyone want a 'generic' range of coaches, that happens to be a precisely accurate model of the particular coach they need!

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NO.

I, at least, understand what the word "generic" means.

It is the livery that matters.

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One of the manufacturers really has to bite the bullet and produce a full range of "generic" short (ish) bogie coaches suitable for the (approx) 1900 to 1920+ period.

I know that the newish manufacturers concentrate on accuracy, but someone has to do them and the different liveries will take skill.

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21 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

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..... As for EMUs - hmmm - a service made up of 2BIL, 2HAL & 5BEL units is hardly prototypical ........

 

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Yes,  At the minimum a 4-COR and 4-SUB.  Both prototypically wore Southern Railway green (including WW2), Southern Region Green and BR Blue.

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2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

.... As far as I'm aware, the LSWR didn't have any cranes of this type, ....  

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IF Oxford Rail have any sense they will release the crane(s) in as many (incorrect) pre-grouping and BR regional liveries as they can  -  nearly all layouts can find a use for a light crane.

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E-Mail Update from Oxford Rail today :

Oxford Rail Update March 2024

For those of you who attended Warley Model Rail Show in November 2023, will know that we featured some first shots of the J26. We also had a 3D print of the much anticipated Cowans & Sheldon 15t Crane. Here we are updating you on the progress of development. .

J26

Current Stage

We have just finalised the CAD for our tooling amendments and we are now looking forward to receiving new samples. We have reworked this product to ensure that it is produced accurately to a high standard.

Once we have received the latest samples, we will make any necessary amendments before moving to production.

Below – 3D render of all four versions of the J26, (Left to right OR76J26001, OR76J26002, OR76J26003 and OR76J26004).

Product Updates

There are the 4 standard versions and 4 Sound Fitted versions we will be releasing Q4 2024 (estimated date)

From our original announcement Version 001, we have amended the tooling and changed variant name. We have also announced version 004, an NER version.

OR76J26001LNER (plain black) 1057 0-6-0 Class J26£129.95*description and tooling amendment

OR76J26001XSLNER (plain black) 1057 Class J26 Sound Fitted£229.95*description and tooling amendment

OR76J26002BR Early (plain black) 65767 0-6-0 Class J26 £129.95 

OR76J26002XSBR Early (plain black) 65767 0-6-0 Class J26  Sound Fitted£229.95 

OR76J26003BR Late (plain black) 65736 0-6-0 Class J26 £129.95 

OR76J26003XSBR Late (plain black) 65736 0-6-0 Class J26  Sound Fitted£229.95 

OR76J26004NER P2 (lined black) 1678 0-6-0 Class J26£129.95NEW livery announced

OR76J26004XSNER P2 (lined black) 1678 0-6-0 Class J26 Sound Fitted£229.95NEW livery announced

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Now that most of the initial fuss over the Class 11 release is over is it the right time to ask whether Model Rail will go ahead with the Southern Class 12s, and if so, when ordering may be opened ?

I hope they do go ahead.

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Does anyone know the external differences between the Mirlees engined Class 30 and the early EE re-engined class 21'  ?

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8 minutes ago, Graham_Muz said:

As we have already stated we have thousands to process and we will get to everyone's in due course. 

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Hopefully that means that they will be profitable, and Kernow will be able to produce another ( Southern 😏 ) oddity just as popular.

I will agree with others that that power bogie is a wonderful work of art.

I await my two with baited breath (and greed).

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5 hours ago, bécasse said:

This lists mainland Southern Railway termini (other than those in central London), those with a red background had been electrified by World War II and those marked with a ¶ were habitually worked by pull & push rail motors for at least part of the Southern Railway/Region period (although not necessarily exclusively). Some existed only for part of the Southern Railway period (some very briefly indeed). A few through secondary lines were also partly worked by rail motors.

The only SR pull & push units available ready-to-run from the "trade" have been very limited in scope  being either convertions from Maunsell SO and BCK carriages which only existed as such for a few years in the early 1960s or ex-LSWR gate stock which was only used on a few of South Western branches.

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To the central section you could add West Croydon/Wimbledon for the Mitcham branch.

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2 hours ago, Metropolitan said:

Lacked the K? Not according to the 100000000000 books he published. 😀

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LOOK at your post that he is responding to "

"...  Ah! Well according to O S Knock the term is Box-pox? (British Locomotives of the 20th Century, Vol 2 page 151) Hence my use of it. ..."

ONLY one "K".

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The POSSIBLE sell out of 20002 in plain BR green gives EFE the opportunity to do a near repeat run of 20001 in plain BR green (no yellow panels) with slight changes.

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Any news of when when the next batch of 43xx Moguls will be ready ?

Thanks in advance.

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Wow !

Hornby have really gone off the Southern !

Still with more announcements during the year  ( anyone have any details ? )  there is still some hope.

Hope these sell well for Hornby.

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https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/128-pigeon-traffic-historical

And this page has some interesting photos - including the one of an 8F with 21 bogies at the bottom.

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No,  he's looking for the hole to put the key in.

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1 hour ago, KeithMacdonald said:

 

Perhaps a basket of racing pigeons and a station's official mouser on patrol?

https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/blog/days-out-uk/train-station-cats-of-the-uk

 

There was an era when baskets of racing pigeon were regular livestock/freight on trains.

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There is a short video of a Stanier 8F pulling south out of East Croydon with 21 associated full brakes of all different types  -  no proof, but I have always ASSUMED this was a pigeon racing special going down to the South Coast for a long distance race.

I am holding on for a really good Stanier 8F as it is an "honest" rule 1 for me.

EDIT ;

On this link ;

https://www.photosfromthefifties.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/SUR-December-2021.pdf

On page 17 of 35 there is a photo listed, possibly, of the same train ;

X704 #   -  Stanier class 8F 2-8-0 48544 heading a Newcastle to Hove pigeon special, formed of 21 bogie vehicles, through East Croydon;  -  ¾ view  -  4 June 1965

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I got my 3 at lunchtime  -  I was surprised at how much they weigh, but very pleased at how they look.

I hope they sell well and they do a 20001 in plain BR green, such that it can double head with 20002.

Excellent.

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Excellent news that these are getting close to release.

Any idea when the Class 12's will be developed and released ?

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