phil gollin

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(Hope this works)

This rather ornate one is near Sutton (South London) ;

https://goo.gl/maps/DtjEasAVVUnFgVR87

And, of course, most houses have one.

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IF I had a large local model railway club I would be quite happy to leave my "collection" to them (for use or sale) but .....

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It has become "traditional" for manufacturers to post CADs with incorrect perspective, so that they cannot be pirated  KR just do it to a greater degree.

I am more interested in the livery choices.   Did none last into the 1950's (or later) as there does not (?) SEEM to be a British Railways version noted ???

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Any chance that Bachmann will re-release these E-4's with new running numbers ?

Nowadays, so many model locos seem to only be released the once, can't a limited re-release with new numbers be commercially viable ?

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19 minutes ago, rapidoandy said:

As seen in the latest newsletter - our CAD team have made a few colour renders of the forthcoming E1s to whet your appetite. 

 

 

 

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Very nice - particularly Brenner.

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On 18/01/2023 at 16:04, Steamport Southport said:

Nice watching the video on this page with the Spamcan pulling 23 coaches.....

 

Jason

 

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Complete with prototypical slipping trying to start the load.

Fun and excellent.

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1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

...   So long as there were enough of the Brighton brakes for the intended purpose, ...

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"Brighton brakes"  ?   Which ones are these, please ?

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Sets of 3, or 4 BR Standard 16 ton mineral wagons  -  with different liveries and numbers  -  sure seller.

4-COR  EMU  - lots of liveries and finishes  (could add 4-RES,  4-BUF  and  4-GRI )

Ex LBSCR  K-class 4-6-0  -  a different looking of Southern mogul.

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3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Overall feeling….

 

irrelevance.

I think Hornbys gifted the modern image field to competitors.  .......

 

...  Its not unexpected to me, but I suspect more pain is to come.

 

 

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Not just the "modern image", but also the Southern/Southern Region.

They seem to have forgotten their roots  -  and where they are based.

However, they know their sales (and market research) and if they see their future in a different direction to me or the OO wishlist then that is their commercial decision, and through gritted teeth, I can only wish them good profits.

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I note, from a BBC London news programme, that today is the 160th anniversary of the London Underground.

So where are the anniversary models ?

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The Guardian has an article on The Games Workshop and Hornby Hobbies results for the last quarter of 2022 ;

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/10/games-workshop-Hornby-sales-warhammer

This is the relent extract for Hornby ;

"The Scalextric and Airfix maker Hornby said sales between 1 October and 31 December, including the key Christmas period, were higher than the same period in 2021. As a result, sales for the financial year so far are ahead of last year by 6%.

“This has been driven by better availability of stock, price increases, and investment in e-commerce platforms and digital media,” it said. “However, these sales figures are behind budget due to the challenging consumer economic climate and will impact our full-year figures. Order book remains strong ahead of our 2023 product range releases.”

Hornby is launching a new product range this month, including a new control system for trains that uses Bluetooth technology to connect to phones or tablets.

The company is forecasting a “modest underlying loss before tax” for the year to the end of March."

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2 points ;

1:  The only thing that "annoys" me is the bringing forward of the release time to 7:00 AM.  !0:00 AM was "civilised" and I could settle down with a cup of tea and relax.

2:  A suggest (please ignore is you don't agree)  -  with the overall, and individual item threads, couldn't the second post be along the lines of  "Would those people who do not think that "there is nothing here for me, please press "like" to this post and not jam up this thread with pointless comments"

Happy tomorrow.

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This is rather a pointless thread.

The same old moans.

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57 minutes ago, Phatbob said:

 

In support of the case for producing the Hornbys, they would do well in the collectr market IMHO as these three locos had a long life and carried a plethora of different liveries as a result.

 

IIRC; 
Original gray with straight lining,
Gray with speed whiskers,
SR malachite green,
BR malachite green,
BR Experimental light blue,
BR black and silver,
BR light green with White/Red/White (W/R/W) side stripe, as per class 71.
BR loco geen with W/R/W side stripe,
BR loco green, no side stripe,

BR loco green, no side stripe and SYP,
BR loco green, no side stripe and FYE,
BR Rail blue with FYE.

Not all locos carried all those colours, but it's a fairly sizeable number if you want to collect the lot!
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Wow !

I honestly didn't know that there were that many minor livery changes  -  that's a little bit mad.

So, maybe one of the smaller suppliers with a Chinese factory who likes paint masks 😇

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10 minutes ago, The Black Hat said:

Some interesting results from the poll this year. My thanks to Brian and the team for organising it, as well as Andy Y for hosting it here. 

The number of votes looks to have gone down in pervious years. My comparison of this to latter years show many of the classes looking to fall in popularity as a result, when actually there were just less votes counted. I have kept an eye on the various placings of positioning overall, using the same system I have used in previous years - which was to take the top 10 of placings for locomotives. This year that could have changed as there was a number of high entry votes for coaching stock. The one that stood out (making me happy) was the incredible rise in the request for NER stock. If this was done to go from NER to British Railways or NCB years I think they would sell like hot cakes. But then - I would. 

Once you adjust or take note of the various companies and how they line up in basic terms of popularity overall the picture looks very similar to other votes done in previous years. GE and NER still dominate massively in the Eastern region area even with some models having been made and thus the pattern falls to other choices to see if they can hold or make up ground. Midland region continues to be low polling. It looks as though some of the choices left have done so, but the poll itself does skew the results. As I go off a top 10 per area, some areas merely have more listings thus can gain votes. LSWR from what I can tell is the only one to have 10 listings available, so I would say that its popularity is inflated as a result as other less popular engines just push up the numbers. For the first time since the polls launch no Eastern pre-group company has 10 listings for locomotives. NER rockets up if you add the choice of stock to the listings, the same is said for GE if you add the Quad Art set but these fall under LNER. Also the B16 2 and 3 in previous years were listed as NER origin so I have added them to NER to keep comparisons right and the B17 streamlined version somehow gets listed as GE despite it being an LNE design to that was kept to LNER as it would distort GE. 

If your looking for a Top 10 of pregrouping the results come out as:

1.  LSWR
2.  GE
3.  NER
4.  GN
5.  LBSCR
6.  NBR
7.  SECR
8.  CR
9.  LNWR
10. MR

Also note, I have not done Western region areas as its hard for me to tell when pregrouping and grouping designs were done. Should LSWR not have as many listings I believe it would fall third behind GE, NER. The rise of GN is interesting as that is steady but perhaps a result of GE and NER having engines made and GN merely able to list its most popular engines still against those that remain, which I believe is the case. 

As always, designs that can get from late pregrouping into BR and industrial use will see the highest chance of models being done. What the poll does show though is that there must be a number of designs that were previously listed and are now done, a credit to the polls success. There are just not as many entries available for some areas as models have been made. The likelihood of this continuing I think will make this a trend that continues and so in the future I expect demand for some areas to be satisfied and those areas fall in terms of popularity meaning that others replace them. However, I think that is a medium to longer term trend. This also must be across the various regions, although some that lag behind will obviously be harder for companies to justify as made for sale so sadly these will be discounted. 

The poll still gets interesting results in this area, I as I have tracked the progress of this for ages now, however, there are some results that I do find perplexing and I will try to give my views on this later, as I have written this in my lunch break!

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Wow that is amusing.

Cherry-picking and convoluted arguments galore.

I can agree that simple numbers don't tell the whole story, and as the poll team representative says the poll can only be a guide to manufacturers, but twisting things won't help manufacturers' choices.

Manufacturers need to make money by selling genuinely popular models  -  and which ever they choose, I wish them luck.

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Yes a U (or even an ex-LBSCR K 2-6-0  -  both high polling)  would be useful for Southern mixed traffic trains.

Contrary to all the "noise" from other parties the Southern Region still has a lot of popular locos that need to be produced  -  that is one of the great advantages of these polls.

( However, I will be amazed if the three "Hornby's" (original class 70's - two types) will be produced, however many votes they get. )

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Thanks very much  -  and a great way to while away a rather pointless bank holiday.

I can't see anything  wrong with any of the list from 186 and upwards (except no. 4 which has such limited opportunity for usage  -  but each to their own, who says I have any idea ?)

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When did aluminium beer kegs start being used ?  ( I thought it was the late 60's/early 70's ??? )

And was it wooden barrels before that, or was there an interim choice ?

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Strange the lack of "Southern" subjects being suggested, considering where Hornby is based.

PLEASE, no more Merchant Navies, or WC/BoB's.

4-COR,   4-SUB,  or  LBSCR/SR/S. Region K-class 2-6-0s would all be useful and popular.

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Am I correct that this year's announcement will be on Christmas Day, not early  January ???

Likewise, any idea what time ?

Thanks.

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Thanks for all the work, and the effort involved in the analysis  -  greatly appreciated.

Even though I read the introduction/guide properly, I found it interesting that actually filling in the form concentrated my mind in an interesting way.  A lot fewer locos than I'd imagined I'd vote for, but more coaches and odd wagons than I thought I would.

Everyone, please vote for a new BR 16 ton mineral wagon and a 4-COR (plus whatever else you want, of course).

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On 02/12/2022 at 09:15, phil gollin said:

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I lost out on two coaches from my first deliveries (despite having a very early pre-order in) and this time around I lost out on one SECR coach ( again an early  pre-order) !

 

It is rather disappointing that Hattons cannot seem to get the correct numbers of coaches delivered.

 

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Well,  out of the blue Hattons have e-mailed me that the "missing"  SECR coach has appeared  (actual story more complicated - it appeared, then disappeared, and then Hattons got me a lit version (!!!)) - still at least one of my "missing" coaches has appeared.

Helps for Christmas.  🎅

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1 hour ago, LondonCharivari said:

Got my email confirming my SECR coaches were being processed a couple of days ago, but sad to say I've now been emailed to say Hattons can't fulfill part of my pre-order. Unfortunate this is still happening with orders.

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I lost out on two coaches from my first deliveries (despite having a very early pre-order in) and this time around I lost out on one SECR coach ( again an early  pre-order) !

It is rather disappointing that Hattons cannot seem to get the correct numbers of coaches delivered.

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There is only one solution . . . 

Magnehesian ! ! ! 

( Plus steel rails. ) 

After all, Hornby seem to like old time Tri-ang.

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I agree - much better.

( And, hopefully, a 4-SUB to follow. )

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