mkwolf1877

"Aidensfield Police House". The outside of the police house is not in Goathland, it was in a village called "Askwith", 70 miles from Goathland!

 

If you want a Skaledale building to base this on then this has quite a likeness:

Think this was the doctors surgery:

Village hall used as the school?

 

I have a pic of the police house from Heartbeat which I'll dig out. It is miles away from Goathland though

Agreed (silky_jack) , and thank you (mkwolf1877) . Am mostly off the radar at sec Dad is in ICU, am checking as time allows, will be back asap, good reference matter is invaluable.

 

Edit=if anyone has pictures or indeed video of Goathland or properties used in Heartbeat series would appreciate them being put up here.

 

Hope your dad gets well soon.

"Dave" has been out & about again on the NYMR. Some useful shots here but there's also some footage of "Greengrass" farm at the end!

not the front of the bog LOL, I meant do you have any pictures of the front of Greengrasses? I want to model the house that represents his home with as much detail as possible. Pictures are likes hen teeth. I only ever found two half decent ones.

Lol, sorry. I don't I'm afraid. When I went it didn't look like it was open for camping & I didn't want to intrude too much as the locals must get sick of it. However, I do have a Heartbeat book somewhere which I'll dig out & see if there's any decent pics in there which I'll scan if there are. I only drove down the drive, jumped out, took a couple of pics & cleared off!

I do think the Hornby Home Farm Building is quite a good likeness though.

Bog Standard Front?

Well I spent part of the afternoon doing a platform side, it wasn't hard. The probably is it's easy to go too far, and We are hoping it will stand up to the wear and tear. I had considered plasticard fronts glued on. I may matt varnish (hope the PIR can take it) plus leaning on it may prove rashing fashing annoying. This method is certainly quick, and as such worth trying, just don't rule out having to make a more sturdy replacement. The 'bricks' are higgely piggely  on purpose, the platform fronts on Silky_Jacks being easy to refer to. The colour is close to the real thing, but may need a grey wash to blend better with the Hornby buildings. I have gone the dark grout look as it is easier, and matches the Hornby better as well.

Got any more pics?

Regards the signal box I agree too small and not the best detail either, the original is to my mind far better. Several of the original buildings are better than their later counterparts. If it wasn't that we had decided to do the car park area I would probably have kept the Bachmann limited edition with a couple of the Hornby original extensions. Hornby had the chance to make a better model and fluffed it. We have to mess about cutting the floor to drop the buildings in as the new platform is poor too. Instead of bending the buildings, they made the platform narrower in parts, and the gauge/scale of the buildings are actually quite shocking. Compromises especially for the Goathland weigh bridge  are the only way to deal with it. I suspect I will eventually build this myself.

 

But meantime I am working on platforms.

Kal had a brainwave, PIR insulationn, remove the foil finishes, sand block knife and a wash.

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That's looking really good, be interested to see some more shots of that as I'm going to build my own platforms eventually. It looks quite easy to work with? Was gonna use some old MDF I've got lying about but this might be an easier alternative.

My own opinion on the station buildings, the Bachmann is the best but missed one of the extensions which is why I've stuck to the new Hornby. It's a real bind over the platforms with this though but the rear of the station is better. I haven't got the Bachmann but did have a good look when I went to TMC and I may well purchase at a later date & mix & match.

The singal box, also viewable form the picture from Silky_Jacks thread.

To my mind the right hand original signal box has better windows, better brick work, the stairs are straight, it does not say Goathland,

 

 

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Old one for me. Have both but the only good thing about the new one is the "Goathland" sign. It is tiny, I thought I'd brought n gauge when I opened mine!!!

I used the weighbridge from the wills range, purely because one lay in my scrap box. Cutting out the resin back wall was a risky business The windows are ratio midland signal box type. 

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Crickey, you've done a good job with that. Fortunately the new Hornby already has those windows:

Brought the Wills kit today, all of the Hornby/Bachmann Weighbridges I've seen come attached to a building which is a shame as they look very nice. Don't really like chopping up that resin stuff!!

Not sure where the Hornby NER Weighbridge is based on?

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No, Auntie Peggy now I Believe lol

Cheers for the info and also for the fantastic pics. I'll post some of mine as I progress!

Just hit the local model shop for fences etc, might even have a go at building a cattle dock!

Greengrass house

 

Anyone got anything in mind for the Weighbridge outside the station?

MrB,

A useful reply thank you, is Goathland an interest of yours?

 

Further to this we are doing a lot of research (not much real work) But as Kal has earthquaked Goathland we are going to go with the hill behind, and zoom across to Goathlands / heartbeat Brow House Farm used as Greengrass farm and in real life it has a caravan site.

 

Here it is just balanced as we initiate the build

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And some quick dressing for atmosphere

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I was visiting Trains4U in Peterborough and spied these.....

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A quick repaint with Pheonix weathered wood and Tamiya flat earth and some railmatch concrete....as you do and presto...

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Really love this, it makes a great Greengrass abode! This is a set of buildings I wish I'd picked up years ago but never did. Fancy I may have to feed the MGB's (Money Grabbing B*****ds) on Ebay now

Don't know if I've posted this before but I visited the Greengrass residence on my last visit, I'll repost the pics in a minute.

The cattle dock was real easy to do. All fencing in the vacinity of the barrow crossing is Ratio products The gates from the GWR pack!

Crafters acrylic sandstone with a ruddy dark grey/burnt siena dry brushed over, then shamrock and forest moss added to give life.

 

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Here is a pic showing how I did that steel plate girder bridge with two Wills vari girder packs 

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And a shot of preserved class 4 mogal waiting for the oncoming train to slog up the bank so that it can leave.

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Cheers for the info and also for the fantastic pics. I'll post some of mine as I progress!

Hi Mark, great to know work is under way on your layout. 

The cattle dock is scratch built using evergreen plastic strip with wills planking for the deck and peco fencing. the steps are cardboard with styrene used again for the edges.

My stone colour is from crafters acrylics and varies a lot because I mixed a few colours up but not enough. Point is I'm not happy with the colour of any of the stone work on Goathland and am repainting all of it like this .

Hi Shaun and thanks for your reply. I'll look forward to seeing your repainted stonework although if I get anywhere near the results you have I'll be very happy!

Your cattle dock is fantastic, think I'll bed using a kit or resin model, at least to start with anyway. Can I asked what the gates are that you've used either side of the barrow crossing at the ticket office end of the platform?

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the compliment. Our station walls are Wills random stone. The walls to the beck are  Plastruct O gauge stone and those girders are Wills Vari Girder packs, 2 of them. most of which were cut in half, with micro strip built up for the railing.

Shaun.

 

Hi Shaun,

I've finally started getting my version of "Goathland" underway, although having to use some modellers licence due to space constraints!

Could I ask is your cattle dock scratch built or a kit/Skaledale type structure?

Also, the colouring you've used on the platform walls & the beck, what colour is it?

Many thanks,

mkwolf1877

Yes I have the same frustration with the iPad you can get google earth but don't move too far as it runs out of memory fast, and no measuring device. 

re post 529 As a starter for ten I would say

 

Main building side use 279ft6in or there abouts, 

For the sake of argument using Hornby platforms

42 x 6 = 252 plus one sloping end by the signal box 252+21+273 should be close enough for the main part of the station

 

If you want to just do the main buildings (and I could argue different lengths all day) you might as well allow for

 

A=B+C= 269ft as you can play with his figure and you already have the number of platforms for approx. 279ft 6in I would use

the same number 6 platforms but allow a slope each end.

 

In truth the platform other side is a lot longer but is is not a nice platform depth.

 

Kal and I will be allowing for 800ft minimum as we are chasing prototypically from just beyond the pedestrian crossing past the river bridge and including the road bridge.

However for anyone wanting prototypicality of just the main station including most of the river bridge, allow an 8ft  (2440mm) length board as it comfortably supports 600 feet at 4mm.

For a quick rule of thumb real foot covers 76ft at 4mm. I tend to 75 for quick calculations

So

1 ft = 75 ft

2 ft = 150 ft

4 ft = 300 ft

8 ft = 600 ft

 

Goathland comfortably fits a 8 x 4 board and can work on a 8 x 3 still keeping the river. You can have less length if you sacrafice the river crossing but you need the track there for the  point to get to the store room. Ours is set at an angle as we need a shallow D to come off the back wall where we have 4 tracks (2 sloped up 2 sloped down|) and smoothly run off to Sheffield Park before returning to the back wall ready to go through to the old loft.

 

If anyone needs other details or clarification feel free to ask. Popping them here on the thread makes it easier for me to find when I am wanting to refer to it anyway.

Thanks for doing that, happy days as I guessed at 6

I checked the Hornby platforms and basically even allowing for different moulds there is little difference. In general they are

42ft long  x 17ft long

The sloped platforms are a neat half i.e.

21ft long x 17ft wide

THe pointed ones are

30ft long.

 

For anyone without a modelmakers scale rule, you can just apply the 4mm scale.

N.B.. measure the item in question, say 20mm divide by four = which equals five therefore the item is five feet.

I like the scale ruler because it can do both feet and metres, and it saves my making simple mistakes when checking a lot of figures. Plus I like to hold small figures of people against it because you can clearly / easily see when they are not 5ft-6ft. Plus if I am working it out for myself I write it down, for the simple reason if I make a mistake looking back at it usually makes it easier to detect an error.

 

Thanks for doing that Jaz, can I be cheeky & ask what length the Goathland platforms are? I've looked on Google earth but on the iPad you don't seem to be able to measure?

Main buiilding side

279ft 6in  from the signal box to the v shape just past the last extension building as it hits the platform edge near the pedestrian crossing area.

N.B. 196ft from the v shape to the footbridge as it crosses the tracks - not the steps.

 

For the other side there are several measurements I'll write them down hopefully my explanation of how I see it will make sense.....

A 37ft 9in from the far left of the pedestrian crossing to the start of the white edged platform just up the slope,

B 218ft6in into the end of the white line I see on google earth which is frankly a point in mid air. 

C plus 14ft 9in to where the platform is half width 

B+C(233ft 3in running)

A+B+C= 269ft (Note this is similar to the platform opposite, give or take 10 feet)

plus a n additional length of 126ft 9in to the end of the platform as it reaches a trianlge near the point leading off behind for the Camping coaches.

NB 197ft before you hit the footbridge that is crossing the tracks - NOT the stairs, starting from the pedestrian end and moving  towards where the camping coaches come in.

 

 

If this is confusing tell me where you need a measurement. Although I will say google earth is very easy to use.

 

I would need to know which of the Hornby platforms you use and which ends you plan to use. I can measure them for you if you use any of the below.

The thomas the tank engine platforms? With the thomas the tank engine slopes? These are the ones with the white fence.

The grey and dark red brick front ones? Would you use the pointy sloped ends?

The black ones? Not likely for the platform ends, but you might use the black sloped ends and repaint them?

Hi,

I've mainly got the grey and red brick front ones, but do have some Thomas (handy with the fence on!). Will probably use the grey & red brick ones as a base although I may build something of my own eventually. I'm hoping Hornby will do extensions to the pieces supplied with the new buildings! I'll use the slopes as per Goathland!

Many thanks for helping,

Mark

From you clever calculations are you able to work out the length of the platforms or even better how many pieces of Hornby platform?

mkwolf 1877 I will do the signalbox but then I really have to go do some woodwork, however I agree looks like an N gauge so lets measure

 

the google earth measurements =

17.35ft long without steps 23 ft long with steps

13ft wide

 

The Hornby original =

18ft long no steps 26ft with steps

12.5ft+ i.e 12ft 8 or 9 in

 

The new Hornby =

14ft long no steps 19.5 ft with steps

9.25ft or 9ft 3 in ignoring the chimney which is not on the original

 

The original is not only the more accurate in size possible bob on but ignoring the lack of the chimney buttress and possible the chimney shape (I have not looked at this) and the lack of a little Goathland sign on the new...the original is for me the far better model, the window with the rounded top is FAR better looking, and so is the paint work. I will be using the original for Goathland. Although this might suit Levisham which has a similar box. I have no time to check this out at the moment.

Hope this helps.

 

I will come back later and do similar for all the other buildings but for now

 

                     That's All Folks.

Nice one, thanks for doing that. I'll look forward to your findings.

The original / larger one is so close to the correct scale, that we will add the extra detail over time

we are measuring these live time, I'll go get another for comparison

I noticed it with the signal box too. When I opened the new one I had to double check I hadn't picked up an "n" gauge one by mistake, its tiny!

Hi

Having measured the two waiting rooms against google earth, I find that the smaller of the two is in fact closer to HO. So while it is more accurate in reproduction , it is the wrong scale. The larger one is a little over scale.

Thanks Kal, that's interesting! Are you going to go for the more accurate one or the correct scale?

Further to the which 'Goathland building' to use posts, IF we did another NYM station, e.g. Levisham the other buildings would have a home. 

Here quickly two more of the Hornby resins models.

 

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So which ones are you going to use? I've only got the old ones of these, didn't realise they were so different! Are the new ones a better scale? Got both sets of Hornby platform buildings, it's just a real shame you can't extend the lovely platforms that come with the new ones. Strange they didn't redo the coal drop too!