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5 hours ago, J Pryer said:

Hi all.

I'm looking for details on a NSE layout based on the Isle of Wight island line which was published in the railway Modeller in the late 1990s or early 2000s. If anyone has any information on the layout or what issue and month it was published it would be greatly appreciated. 

Kind regards Jaeson 

Not sure if it was in Railway Modeller, but such a layout did appear in one of the early issues of Model Rail circa 1998.

I forgot the name of it, but I think the same bloke did a layout based on the Snailwell scrapyard.

1 hour ago, mcjlf1 said:

Bit of a long shot this one, but it's been in my mind for a year or two.

 

In central London near Moorgate there is a wine bar called Fox Fine Wines & Spirits, whose shop front and signage has an attractive black & silver art-deco styling.    Either side of the company name are two silver foxes (see attached). 

 

It seems to me that these two foxes are almost identical to those fitted on A4 60017 'Silver Fox', being a pair which are right and left-hand facing, and about the same length, with same face and same bushy tail.  I am wondering if somebody acquired the two fox sculptures after the loco was scrapped, and thought "they'll look good on the front of our shop"?  

 

I am almost certain they are the same design, if not the actual pair from the loco.  What do others think?

 

 

At least the original right hand fox affixed to 2512 is captive at the NRM and before that Clapham.

I'm unaware as to the location of the other one.

6 hours ago, johnofwessex said:

 

Thanks.

 

I note that the sailors on the Queen Elizabeth were wearing 'square rig'

 

How common was this or was it confined to the higher end passenger liners and Trinity House?

 

Also when did it end?

 

 

Square rig or variants thereof was common enough in most companies which carried passengers, in the cargo companies whose ships carried the regulatory maximum 12 pax it often was only used by the Quartermasters as they manned the gangway in port.

In the wider scheme sometimes it only extended to the pork pie hat but was usually accompanied by a company issue navy blue jumper. In that vein it was popular amongst the ferry companies of the day and finally died out in the wholesale sense in the 1970s.

On 29/04/2023 at 23:50, KeithMacdonald said:

For those that like 1950s ships in Southampton

 

 

 

An excellent film - as per usual BTF standards - and in such good quality too.

Sadly it only demonstrates what we've lost; every ship and tug in that film was built here, was owned here, registered here and crewed by our own people. All now gone and never to return.

For the eagle eyed it did also show the difference in uniforms; Cunard with their original plain stripes and not the faux (Americanised) Norwegian nonsense they use now, UCL (aka the Lavender Hull Mob) had at that time standard MN uniform i.e. diamonds (this before the Clan Line merger in '56) whilst Royal Mail Line had retained their own uniform livery in that instead of diamonds and stripes they used gold braid chevrons to denote rank.

9 minutes ago, Ruston said:

But why not make the cab correct? I know that means new tooling, but you must have had new tooling made for the blue one with the non-circular cab front windows. Those windows weren't a feature of any of the previous batch and there is only the one model with them in this batch. It seems odd to invest in new tooling for a single anonymous model, but not to make an actual prototype more correct.

That is assuming they didn't tool for the different windows in the first place, rather than it being a new endeavour specific to this batch.

Celebrating with a kebab?

10 hours ago, jjb1970 said:

This is a sad sight for anyone who remembers the old Singapore container terminal in its glory days, taken today. The Tanjong Pagar side (left) is basically decommissioned and empty, the Brani Island side (right) still has a little bit of activity but is rapidly running down ready to be closed. This was once one of the busiest container terminals in the world.

 

 

No doubt primed for more high end apartment blocks etc.

I'm sure it was only about 20 years ago that Pasir Panjang was still the old Keppel cargo wharves complete with the pre war warehouses and  to the East the drydocks and shipyard.

Sadly long gone are the days for there to always be a "Far East Bay" to be seen, with the lads enjoying a short trip upto Orchard for some presents for her indoors, thence Clarke Quay or Boat Quay for a feed and a drink.

Back in BP days the usual haunts were Peoples Park or the Caveman Bar. The latter was owned by BP's preferred ship swindler in Singapore, a fellow by the name of Jimmy Goh. Arthur Daley and Del Trotter had nothing on that bloke, but immensely likeable with it of course; he could get you absolutely anything. After one heated argument due to him supplying lengths of bamboo in place of the ordered telescopic paint roller handles, I flippantly asked him for a case of Irn Bru and he rolled up to the ship a couple of days later (we were in Bukom) with two cases. Charged me the earth but it was worth it!

Do you remember that hardback book which was some kind of international ship stores catalogue and which was universally used by agents and chandlers everywhere? I forget the name of it.

Jimmy got me out of some hot water once when I missed a flight home after a merry evening with my shipmates - celebrating the end of another long trip - down Orchard Road. Extra night booked in the Orchard Hotel, excuses made to HQ and tickets rebooked via his contact at Changi before I even woke. His sidekick - a bloke called Yogi - collected me in person the following evening to make sure I caught the flight. Our usual agents were always Jardine Matheson, but they all worked in concert of course.

Happy days and a time now long gone.

It's only when you become an older git yourself that you begin to appreciate just why the old duffers you encountered as a youngster used to wax lyrical about times past. Particularly where one mention or a picture awakens so many daft memories.

1 hour ago, franciswilliamwebb said:

 

37407 "Blackpool Tower" at Stafford on 24/09/99 (my photo)

Is that a Shark in the background?

2 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

 

I think you just proved my point.  Right guy.  Wrong job.  It happens a lot.

My point was rather that he was very much the right man in the right job.

1 hour ago, Andy Hayter said:

 

AS one who retired from the petrochemicals industry after 39 years, my observations would be as follows:

Employers are very interested in taking on people whose interests lie beyond the workplace.

They tend to overlook people with no declared interests or consign them to the mundane jobs.

 

Progression through the organisation (any organisation) there comes a point where overtime stops.  You use the hours necessary to achieve the targets required.  Normally the loss of overtime pay is recompensed with performance related bonuses which if you are doing a good job will more than recompense for the loss of overtime.  

 

If you are not able to organise your working life so that you can continue with those outside activities you choose, then it probably says as much about you as the employer.   Now that does not mean that I could attend every club meeting that I wanted but that was true when I had to work extra overtime just as much.

An very good friend of mine went to the Exploration/Production arm of a household name UK oil company upon gaining his MEng and stayed there, company man and all that as was his father before in the same outfit, albeit different branch. My friend's specialisation was/is Rotating Machinery, e.g. everything from Gas Turbines to pumps and he was based in the office ashore as the engineering manager responsible for a few platforms.

However in the years just before the 2015 crash when production was everything and they were making money hand over fist, there was all manner of seriously dodgy things being done and shortcuts being made just to keep production going, this in the North Sea.

For those final few years he actually kept a typed up resignation letter in his desk drawer at all times - just needing to be signed and dated - for when the day came when they wanted him to really throw away his professional scruples to sign something off as being fit and he finally said "enough". He was generally always able to talk his colleagues and those above out of doing something that would push him to that line. That automatically made him "not a team player". As you'll know you could lay on the oil industry BS with a trowel at that time, it was so thick.

I don't know how many times I told him to get out of there - as did others - but he stuck it out as he'd never been anywhere else, e.g. the oil industry version of Stockholm Syndrome.

Post price crash there was suddenly little money coming in but with an enormous maintenance backlog and no money set aside from the good days to pay for it.  At that point things started going really downhill. Aside from questionable operational decisions, breakdowns etc changed the job into a 7 day a week affair with silly hours and people were simply expected to get on with it or leave. The BS was still so thick waders were required with everyone being constantly told that things were amazing, what a great place to work etc.

Cue a round of redundancies and he knew his card would be marked as he was one of those who wasn't afraid to speak up when the need arose. Right enough he got his papers - over a years pay - and I doubt I've seen him happier.

A real company man through and through, who for years always went the extra mile out of company loyalty, yet he was destroyed by the toxic working environment so prevalent today.

Still, he's happy; started his own little company and does consultant/ad hoc work now for various firms, works when he wants and of course is happy to do extra hours when the need arises; difference these days is that he simply sends them the bill afterwards.

His hobby is also engineering, in his case road steam; he owns two traction engines.

2 hours ago, Reorte said:

 

There's a need to separate them. I have a pretty dim view of those aspects of my employer (especially since they've seemed to grow and grow over the years), but the work is usually pretty interesting. A lot of the time (although sadly not always) it's possible to completely ignore the corporate nonsense and get on with the work. Helps that the people I actually work with, including my boss, have pretty much the same opinion.

As the decades have rolled on I've noticed that with a few of my employers - particularly in the more "corporate culture" orientated outfits - that a real "us and them" has developed between head office and pretty much everyone else despite the best efforts of the propogandists, so both sides do tend to have mostly like minded people around them. I do however see a lot more of the newer/younger mob buying into it more than we do, although that usually evaporates rapidly once they've had their fingers burnt the first time.

I am however in the extremely lucky position of being senior enough to not have to put up with their nonsense and if I'd truly had enough I'd just go elsewhere.

Like yourself, as it is I do find my job still interesting for the most part, that is the positives still outweigh the negatives, although the gap seems to narrow as every year passes. Plus as long as they keep chucking a huge wedge into my pension pot every month I'll put up with it...

3 hours ago, St. Simon said:

 

That's very restrained Andy, I would have said the perspective is a load of b*****ks frankly and a very old world view of life

 

Simon

An individuals view of the corporate world is usually directly related to just how many times they've been "round the block" which in turn affects just how much they buy into their employers corporate propoganda.

It's far from unknown for modern private companies to act in just the way Johnster suggests; I know some who've been through it in recent years (and escaped it).

3 minutes ago, 57xx said:

 

Indeed, completely the opposite of the real world I've been employed in for the last 30+ years.

But exactly the experience of several friends of mine, particularly the higher up the food chain you go.

The oil industry is dreadful for it, particularly for the operational people who work in the head offices.

Overtime and compensatory leave are rare birds these days and getting ever rarer.

5 hours ago, davidw said:

Mine arrived today.

 

What stunning vehicles. Pity no RF is available 

A BG is a rather obvious omission too, particularly seeing as it was included in the previous generation.

The BGs and the Thompson Buffet cars were the longest lived of them all.

On the subject of passenger ship troubles, today marks 55 years since the loss of WAHINE in Wellington harbour, probably the most significant event in NZ maritime history in living memory.

A modern ship - only two years old -  complying with or exceeding the very latest regulations of the time and with a hugely experienced and able crew, yet she foundered only a couple of hundred yards from the Wellington shore in Hurricane force winds and with the loss of 53 lives. She ripped her bottom out on Barrett Reef and then slowly capsized, rendering half of her lifeboats unusable.

This site has a number of pictures of the ship and her sinking: https://www.museumswellington.org.nz/tev-wahine-2/?fbclid=IwAR3SB9lKStMERYhasqx1zfyHbfA9aHeQukJ7EevuqJ1AJ-7rAlkVR_xT-HA

Quite a number of passengers had their cameras with them and took pictures onboard prior to and during her abandonment (middle of the page), whilst the press were present when the survivors came ashore. It's an excellent historical record of a tragic event.

3 hours ago, Ozexpatriate said:

Costa Concordia is a good case study for a capsized 'block of flats'.

 

With 4,252 people aboard there were 33 fatalities, including (later) a salvage member.

 

Yes it was close to shore (the proximate cause of the accident), but it did suffer a dramatic loss of stability. I'm not sure that a similar capsize, further offshore would see an order of magnitude more fatalities - likely *some* more - I'm no expert in evacuating cruise ships, but offer it as an example.

 

After the MV Cougar Ace loss of stability in the North Pacific, all 23 crew were rescued. There was a salvage fatality that resulted from a nasty fall.

 

What saved the day with Costa Concordia was that she rested on a ledge in a shallow bay for some time before capsizing, that only happening after she fortuitously drifted inshore (it wasn't intended, nor controlled).

She grounded about an hour and a half after the initial grounding with a constantly increasing list as she continued to flood. Due to the chaotic abandonment it took nearly 5 hours to get everyone ashore despite the close proximity of land and the participation of shore based rescue services.

Most consider that had she drifted offshore into deeper water, the rate of capsize would have been more rapid with likely severe loss of life.

They were exceptionally lucky to have only had 33 fatalities.

As per the SOLAS regulations every passenger vessel is supposed to be capable of being safely abandoned - with a full complement of passengers and crew - within 30 minutes and with every person onboard checked and counted.

To put that into context, here is a list of the more recent passenger ship incidents/abandonments:

2007: Explorer, 154 passengers and crew, no fatalities, 3 hours to abandonship.

2010: Lisco Gloria, 235 passengers and crew, no fatalities, 90 minutes to abandonship.

2012: Costa Concordia, 4252 passengers and crew, 33 fatalities, 5 hours to abandonship.

2014: Norman Atlantic, 478 passengers and crew, 20 fatalities, a full day to abandonship.

18 hours ago, davidw said:

Does the maroon match the maroon of the Mk1s?

I'm afraid I'm not at "home" at the moment so don't have a Bachmann Mk1 to hand.

These are the first new generation Thompson coaches I've bought and I'm impressed with the finish and detail, decent weight as well.

Enclosed are a couple of snaps of the SK and CK from my half dozen. I ordered mine from Peter's Spares.

13 hours ago, andyman7 said:

34-387 should be  E1029E; 34-387A should be E1435E - which number are the ones you've been sent?

Both are E1435E.

The box labels are correctly marked 34-387/34-387A, therefore no fault of the shop in that sense, but obviously either a packing or manufacturing error at Bachmann's end.

Received my set of 6 today.

Both 34-387 and 34-387A have the same running number rather than different as advertised.
No drama to me, but I wonder if anyone else has found this?

28 minutes ago, LMS2968 said:

Probably, judging from the brake's carrying side lamps. 

Aren't they the wrong way around? The nearside lamp looks to be displaying a red aspect.

2 hours ago, Mark Saunders said:

Two things about the Public on Railway Premises:-

 

90% of common sense is lost

 

Notices are to be read, walked around and ignored 

That's not a problem that's specific to the railway.

It was only after I had to work with the great British public that I rapidly began to realise that a huge number of them are intrinsically selfish, ignorant and quite frankly thick.

You do see the occasional glimmer of light and humanity, but it rarely lasts long before the next oxygen thief arrives on scene.

1 hour ago, MarkC said:

I joined my present ship in dock this trip - spent several hours underneath. However, like most tankers, she has plenty of flat bottom, so no chance of her falling over, even without side shores...

 

Anyway, I should be starting my journey home within the hour - my oppo is now on board; just waiting for the launch from shore to pick me up.

 

Mark

The decades may pass but that pay off day feeling is unchanged as it was when I was a first tripper. Although they're now far more sober affairs than in times past!

I've seen pictures taken in the yard itself of the ship on her side.

Petrel has an interesting hull form with a very rounded bilge and has little full body underwater, almost fisbellied/yacht like where the bulk of the vessel is supported on the keel with little scope for any bilge blocks of any number, if at all.

Hull shores were in use but there were 60mph gusts in Leith yesterday and the orientation of the dock would have put that wind right on the port beam. High windage vessel too: a lot of top hamper.

Going by the paintwork and hull she can't have been too far away from flooding up as everything looks immaculate.

It looks as if it had been a deeper dock or a floating dock then the vessel would may not only have been more sheltered from the wind but the side shores could have been placed higher.

A very unusual and unfortunte accident and having done a lot of dockings with Dales Marine I've always found their Dockmasters etc to be first rate.

51 minutes ago, duncan said:

 

Waiting for the news as follows -

 

Strong winds catamaran can't berth at Ardrossan, stuck out in the firth, Arran revolts at lack of ferry, those demanding CalMac replace big ships with wee catamarans keep quiet, sandwiches cold

 

Strong winds catamaran tries to berth at Ardrossan, nudges berth & sinks (slightly with no humans injured), blocks berth, Arran revolts at lack of ferry, those demanding CalMac replace big ships with wee catamarans keep quiet, sandwiches soggy

Not forgetting the other alternative considering the current state of the place:

"Strong winds catamaran tries to berth at Ardrossan, nudges berth and pier wall collapses into harbour..."

16 minutes ago, duncan said:

Will be very interesting to see her entering Ardrossan in windy weather !!

When Pentalina did trials there a few years back the Master in question was horrified at the condition and layout of Ardrossan and stated unequivocally that he wouldn't be taking her in there with a windspeed of more than 20 knots from any direction.

Can't blame him really as it's a desperate place and being a stern loader she'd have to enter the harbour, stop, turn through 90 degrees and then back into the berth. Catmarans can be quite flighty at low speeds and are lightly built, so the usual "controlled collision" carried out by the heavier built monohulls in poor weather isn't an option.