Southernman46 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Oh I so wanted this to be a train of crated Me109's .............................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I don't know why some of you are so sceptical. We have all the evidence we need, of a similar situation, in the film archive from Buggleskelly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter220950 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Hang on a mo. - It might not be gold, now it looks as if it could be an atomic bomb! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p031gh14 I think I see where this may be going Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 This is beginning to resemble the ongoing mystery that is the tomb of Qin Shi Huang - nobody actually knows what might or might not be under that hill. Until you can actually get clearance to dig in and explore, it's all conjecture, fable and legend. ....and in the case of Qin Shi Huang, what might be under that hill could still turn out to be some sort of ancient practical joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 The story gets sillier as it goes along. I wonder if it has ever occurred to journalists to interview someone who actually knows what they're talking about, and isn't batsh*t crazy? First there was the Polish official who claimed that he could reliably identify an armoured train from a GPR image. Then there was the bloke who claimed that because it was an armoured train it must be carrying valuables - like it was a G4S truck delivering coins to the bank. Now this. What's next - the death ray from Raiders Of The Lost Ark? Cheers, Mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 For boiler storage, I would remove the tubes and grease the tube holes before inserting wooden bungs and delag it, as the lagging holds moisture. Remove all the boiler fittings and replace with blanks, using oil soaked gaskets to protect the flange faces. These days you could use silica gel bags instead of lime. I wouldn't try removing tubes on any loco here, as our boiler code calls for them to be expanded, flared, beaded, then seal-welded in place. Removing them means burning them out with the oxy. But I'm with you on de-lagging, removing all the boiler mountings and using silica gel. Cheers, Mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Just one thought though - surely someone must have noticed a new branch line disappearing into a mountian? That's yet another aspect of this story that doesn't ring true to me. It's reasonable to assume that in a mountainous area like this you would not just be laying temporary track on the ground. You would expect that some basic earthworks would be needed to provide a roadbed. And yet there is apparently now no evidence of this at all? I really think the whole story is far-fetched. Cheers, Mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 .....You would expect that some basic earthworks would be needed to provide a roadbed. And yet there is apparently now no evidence of this at all?.... I've had a look on the Google / Google Earth images around Ksiaz Castle and Walbrzych, and other than the visible disused lines / formations, there doesn't seem to be anything that leads into / is cut off by the hills. That said, evidence of old lines can disappear - just look at the old Lambourn Valley formation, most of which is now very difficult to detect on the satellite images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Hang on a mo. - It might not be gold, now it looks as if it could be an atomic bomb! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p031gh14 Well we know that wagons carrying heavy water (from the isolated Rjukan railway in Norway) are presumably still at the bottom of Lake Tinnsjo together with the train ferry SF Hydro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t8hants Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Well we know that wagons carrying heavy water (from the isolated Rjukan railway in Norway) are presumably still at the bottom of Lake Tinnsjo together with the train ferry SF Hydro. there is quite a good documentary on the tube about the finding of the Hydro and yes the drums are still there and have been identified from visible serial numbers. The backtracking concerning the gold train seems to have started when the Russians indicated that any gold found on board was probably theirs so I'm told. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 A colleague of mine lives (or lived) near the area in question and we were discussing this at some length. It is well known that there are many tunnels under the hills there, and some of them were rail served. Some have been turned into tourist 'attractions' and/ or museums. Why the surprise that there might well be more of them?As for the absence of track beds, in this particular case you are talking about perhaps only 30 yards of track being removed, that was laid 1943 or 1944 at latest. It was on a line that would have had a maximum speed of 40-45MPH and the particular 'junction' likely only at walking pace. Don't expect to see compacted track base with full cant, as there wouldn't have been any. I really fail to understand how this can present so much of a shock to the system. Whether there is gold or not is a completely different matter. What my colleague did agree is that the delay in digging makes no sense. More likely there are diplomatic issues to be resolved with Berlin and Moscow first. Oh and of course I'm sure we all realise that the "entrance" appearing in all the newspapers is a red herring. Wherever the entrance is, it's certainly not where they've taken the photograph. After all it MIGHT contain tonnes of gold... might. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointstaken Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 So don't all rush to arrange your holidays in Poland. After all, the Polish immigrants over here might all be rushing home, so there could be a fair few job vacancies here. Dennis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted September 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2015 Closer to home, I know where Furness Railway 115 is buried. Anyone got a metal detector? Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I really fail to understand how this can present so much of a shock to the system.Oh, I don't regard it as a shock to the system. Just a very tall tale that gets taller each time it's told. I came across a quote from a man involved in the search for the fabled Burmese Spitfires which I think is relevant. He said, “I’ve come across this story constantly all over the world,” shrugged Mr Brockman. “It always involves something iconic and valuable. Jeeps, Harley-Davidsons, Spitfires – always discarded at the end of the war, you always hear of it second or third hand.” That has been my experience as well. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong, and see an intact armoured train recovered from the depths of the earth, but I think I might be waiting a long time for that to happen... Cheers, Mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Mark, I don't know about gold or armoured trains, but I am quite open to the idea of another tunnel being discovered. The nazis dug out miles and miles of them down there. However, all the tunnels so far seem a little narrow to take trains and there is no reason to believe this one will be any different. It also begs the question that since stalin was known to be quite a greedy, power mad chap- and he was looking for the contents of the amber room, that he would have torn apart any hills where there were likely "treasure trains" hidden. The idea that such a badly kept secret could have been kept from his security forces is quite ridiculous. I expect a tunnel to be found, with nothing of monetary value, but for those interested in modern archaeology some absolutely priceless bits and pieces of junk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35104117 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 All the millions of zloty earned by 'tourists'. Not since the loch ness monster story has so much been owed, by so many hotels, to so few practical jokers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted December 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2015 Of course, if you were a Polish "official" and you had good evidence that the train was there and very likely full of gold, you would tell the world that there was nothing there. Wouldn't you? Put all the treasure hunters off the scent and allow for the excavation and extraction with the minimum of fuss and risk of discovery/robbery. There is nothing like a good conspiracy theory so hopefully I can start one going...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I think richard branson, gold finger, ernst stavros blofeld, ernst stavros blofeld's cat and tony blair are down there in a secret chamber ready to take over the world. I have a witness who reported the whole thing to me on condition of total anonymity. Meanwhile a 'government source' said... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Hopefully now once the media and everyone else has wandered off, the data can be published and someone can consider a nice archaeological dig for those "absolutely priceless bits and pieces of junk" (and someone else maybe look at the development of the legends). Unfortunately so much has to be bigged-up these days... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted December 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2015 Austin Powers got there first and spirited the train away - to the top secret Ruritanian Strategic Reserve - where you can also find the Jet room from the Winter Palace, a B17 Sandringham, Claude Hamilton, Shergar and Red Rum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35104117 Like many gold "finds", it turned out to be a flash in the pan..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2015 Austin Powers got there first and spirited the train away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Like many gold "finds", it turned out to be a flash in the pan..... Don't worry - I've recently come into possession of a Milliput duck, which I'm toying with putting up for sale. Now, it may look like the warped product of a night of far too many blasphemously-strong beers by someone with barely any sentience (let alone artistic skill), but I have it on reliable authority that Ronnie sent it as a special gift to Maggie. Offers in the region of £200K carefully considered. Genuine Mona Lisa (on toilet) poster also available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If you have a duck, why not donate it to the Gresley statue appeal? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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