Simond Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hi Dave Somewhat off topic as it's GW & 4mm but when are the 1361 & 1366 coming out? I ask, only as when they do, I'm sure a sound project will be economically viable, and I want sound decoders for my 7mm versions! Cheers Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted January 6, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hi Dave Somewhat off topic as it's GW & 4mm but when are the 1361 & 1366 coming out? I ask, only as when they do, I'm sure a sound project will be economically viable, and I want sound decoders for my 7mm versions! Cheers Simon Hi Simon, Neither the 1361 or 1366's are exclusive Hatton's projects so full info on these will be in relevant parts of the forum. As far as I'm aware though, the 1366's are now released. Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted January 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 Hi all! Hot on the heels of the first A3 CADs last week, we've received the initial CADs for the Diagram 186 Tourist Third Open. A number of views are included below as well as both types of seating (the original 'Bucket' seating and the BR-fitted seats will be fitted to appropriate models). We've spotted a small number of items that need amending but these will be sorted shortly and followed by CADs for the remaining two types. Also, we've confirmed details of specific running numbers we intend to portray, with each coach being supplied with both numbered and unnumbered versions in the three liveries we are portraying:- Diagram 115 - Third Corridor TC11501 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 115 Corridor Third unnumbered in LNER Teak livery TC11502 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 115 Corridor Third 23896 in LNER Teak livery TC11503 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 115 Corridor Third unnumbered in BR carmine & cream livery TC11504 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 115 Corridor Third E12675E in BR carmine & cream livery TC11505 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 115 Corridor Third unnumbered in BR maroon livery TC11506 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 115 Corridor Third E12493E in BR maroon livery Diagram 175 - Brake Composite Corridor TC17501 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 175 Brake Corridor Composite unnumbered in LNER Teak livery TC17502 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 175 Brake Corridor Composite 24068 in LNER Teak livery TC17503 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 175 Brake Corridor Composite unnumbered in BR carmine & cream livery TC17504 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 175 Brake Corridor Composite E10103 in BR carmine & cream livery TC17505 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 175 Brake Corridor Composite unnumbered in BR maroon livery TC17506 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 175 Brake Corridor Composite GE10078E in BR maroon livery Diagram 186 - Tourist Third Open TC18601 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 186 Open Third unnumbered in LNER Teak livery TC18602 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 186 Open Third 23956 in LNER Teak livery TC18603 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 186 Open Third unnumbered in BR carmine & cream livery TC18604 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 186 Open Third E13293E in BR carmine & cream livery TC18605 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 186 Open Third unnumbered in BR maroon livery TC18606 - Gresley Teak coach Diagram 186 Open Third E13372E in BR maroon livery Full details can be seen Here. Cheers,Dave 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Such forward thinking....It is good to see that open coaches are to be produced along with the usual suspects, an area neglected in 4mm/00 RTR. Good profile...Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted March 14, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2017 Hi all, We have just received the final CADs for the A3s locomotives and as ever are putting up these up here for review. Bear in mind these pictures are pretty hefty in size, so click the thumbnails to get (far) larger versions! The A4 CADs are advancing and will be posted here as soon as we have them. A full breakdown of variations and further CAD images are available on the main website HERE. Cheers,Dave 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Do you have details on what parts are going to be metal and what will be moulded? I'm interested to know as to get an idea of weight, and subsequent haulage capabilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted March 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2017 Not professing any expertise but the cylinder drain cocks on all versions appear to be the type fitted to 4472 after the first Tony Marchington sponsored overhaul rather than the LNER type appropriate to all A3's (including 4472 pre 2000). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted March 20, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2017 Not professing any expertise but the cylinder drain cocks on all versions appear to be the type fitted to 4472 after the first Tony Marchington sponsored overhaul rather than the LNER type appropriate to all A3's (including 4472 pre 2000). Hi Mike, Well spotted! We have currently logged four different types of these and 4472 has had further examples fitted in preservation. Unfortunately we have to stick with one type of these on the model, and as the type currently carried by 4472 is similar to the more-common LNER type, we chose to recreate this. For those who wish to modify them, it is easier to reduce the length of the pipes than add to them hence our choice of the longer samples. Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted March 24, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2017 Hi all,Hot on the heels of the final A3 CADs are the final CADs for all three diagrams of Gresley Teak coach that we are producing. These have been checked over to ensure details are correct however, as always, they're also now up here for you to view. As per the A3 we've left these at FULL size and clicking the images will show larger versions. Full details of the vehicles including running number and livery variations are available on the main website Here. Cheers,Dave Diagram 115 - corridor third. Diagram 175 - Brake corridor composite Diagram 186 - Open third 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted April 4, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2017 Hi all, To complete the set, here are the A4 CADs as they stand so far. We wouldn't usually show them off at this early a stage however these are primarily used to ensure the distinctive streamlining is proportionally correct. We've compared it to our own research and drawings archives however as always we're keen to invite comment before we move on to adding the finer details. BIG versions are available, click the thumbnails below to get full size images. Further details on development of the A3s, A4s and teaks are available above and on the main website Here. Cheers,Dave 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 4, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2017 Looking good so far. I know it's only early cads but I don't recall any A4's having that kind of Cylinder cock pipes. Most went straight down and forward, not curving back then forwards, and it was a mix of 2 and 3 pipes among the locos. Easier to catch it early on that later. Regards, Ryan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 64B Posted April 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2017 Hi all, To complete the set, here are the A4 CADs as they stand so far. We wouldn't usually show them off at this early a stage however these are primarily used to ensure the distinctive streamlining is proportionally correct. We've compared it to our own research and drawings archives however as always we're keen to invite comment before we move on to adding the finer details. BIG versions are available, click the thumbnails below to get full size images. Further details on development of the A3s, A4s and teaks are available above and on the main website Here. Cheers, Dave HA4_4417_1.jpg HA4_4417_2.jpg HA4_4417_3.jpg Hi I think the front elevation picture looks incorrect. The outline shape should taper inwards from the top slope towards the buffer beam. This looks too parallel. Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2017 Hi I think the front elevation picture looks incorrect. The outline shape should taper inwards from the top slope towards the buffer beam. This looks too parallel. Regards Neil Now you mention it Neil I don't know why I didn't see it before. It definitely does look too parallel. It should indeed taper in towards the lower part of the smokebox. Not a great deal but more than is shown for sure. Regards, Ryan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) Ah.... As has been pointed out, the front end is incorrect - effectively, what would be the running plate *albeit steamlined* should remain more or less a constant width down to the front, as the whole front end tapers in. The front section of the running plate (over the cylinders) should turn down at a very slightly steeper angle according to photos The chimney appears to be set too far back, as the front line of the chimney should be just in front of the bogie centre-line, and should, I think be of larger diameter. I'm certainly not in anyway being negative - but the shape of an A4 is SO important - and now is the time! Edited April 6, 2017 by Giles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Ah.... As has been pointed out, the front end is incorrect - effectively, what would be the running plate *albeit steamlined* should remain more or less a constant width down to the front, as the whole front end tapers in. The front section of the running plate (over the cylinders) should turn down at a very slightly steeper angle according to photos The chimney appears to be set too far back, as the front line of the chimney should be just in front of the bogie centre-line, and should, I think be of larger diameter. I'm certainly not in anyway being negative - but the shape of an A4 is SO important - and now is the time! Agreed..however regarding the chimneys, the one you show seems to be a double-chimney and the one in Hatton's picture looks like a single-chimney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Yes, but of all the variants that Hattons are doing - only one (I believe, but stand to be corrected) is a single chimney version - and that would be the 1937 Silver Link. I think Mallard was already converted when she made her run? The valance shown also needs some adjustment. As drawn, the front curve is almost a quadrant, whereas it should be a much shallower curve It's a minefield, and I do sympathise! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Mallard was the first one built with a double chimney. First of the last production run IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted April 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2017 Hi all, Thanks for the comments so far! We've taken note of the discussion on the shape so far and will be passing all comments on to the CAD development team. Looking good so far. I know it's only early cads but I don't recall any A4's having that kind of Cylinder cock pipes. Most went straight down and forward, not curving back then forwards, and it was a mix of 2 and 3 pipes among the locos. Easier to catch it early on that later.Regards, Ryan Hi Ryan, to clarify, the A4 body is sitting on top of the A3 chassis for now and these will amended when the A4 chassis modifications are designed. Cheers,Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted April 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2017 Hi all, With the CADs now complete for the A3, work on the colour layouts has progressed and is available for inspection below. A lot of time has gone in to researching each locomotive to ensure that they will be as accurate as possible but, as always, we welcome any feedback you may have. As ever, click the thumbnails for FULL SIZE images (but be aware that the file sizes are quite big!). Further details can be viewed on the main website Here. H7-A3-001 Class A3 4-6-2 2750 "Papyrus" in LNER Grass green with unstreamlined corridor tender - "Record Breaker" H7-A3-002 Class A3 4-6-2 4472 "Flying Scotsman" in LNER Grass green with unstreamlined corridor tender - "Record Breaker" H7-A3-003 Class A3 4-6-2 2745 "Captain Cuttle" in LNER black with unstreamlined non-corridor tender H7-A3-004 Class A3 4-6-2 60072 "Sunstar" in BR Express blue with unstreamlined non-corridor tender H7-A3-005 Class A3 4-6-2 60035 "Windsor Lad" in BR green with early crest and unstreamlined non-corridor tender H7-A3-006 Class A3 4-6-2 60077 "The White Knight" in BR green with late crest and unstreamlined non-corridor tender H7-A3-007 Class A3 4-6-2 60103 "Flying Scotsman" in BR green with late crest and unstreamlined corridor tender 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Dave I'd really like to congratulate Hattons on the approach you and the team are taking on this project. I'm not in the market for the coaches or the locos (wrong kind of green...) but I'm really impressed. I know some of the smaller companies do this too, and I think it is an excellent approach, given that there a huge body of knowledge in the potential purchasers. If only the others did likewise... good luck with this project! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JhornG201 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I've noticed that the colour layout for the A3s are now on Hattons' website. Just a wee question though, should the buffer shanks on the 60103 Flying scotsman tender (H7-A3-007) not be red like the buffer beam? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 LNER Grass Green? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Adding to my earlier post - there are repeated discussions about the wheel standards Heljan use, which seem not to work well with uk track. Most recently, Rod (West Kirby) rebogied a Heljan GUV (I think) and I know that there have been many discussions about turning wheels on the diesels - are Hattons in a position to convince our Danish friends to ok at this? Cheers Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Dave, do you have a direct email address that I can send some information to you? Tried PMing you but you do not have this enabled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Didn't 2750 have a non-corridor tender when built? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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