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Been testing my rolling stock on set track curves today, was pleasantly surprised to see that the envelopes did not overlap. A Mark 3 coach is pretty long, but I don't know about the stockI don't have. To future-proof my layout, are there other things that will stick out even more? Modern image and OO gauge.

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On the inside of curves mk3s are about as bad as it gets. For the outside it is things like Peaks, or going to real extremes, the APT-E that has a "huge conk" "gargantuan schnoz" (I remembered it wrong) according to the user guide.

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A friend's Rapido/NRM APT-E has a greater overhang than anything so far. His railway had curves and clearances set for MK3s but these have had to be altered so that the APT-E can be run. It's the longer than usual front overhang which causes problems on the outside of curves.

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Some old 4-4-0s are bad for front overhang, Triang L1 and M7 (going backwards) are my test chassis for front overhang . I don't know anything worse than a Mk3 for center throw but I use a Mk1 coach for center throw on a 1957 layout and a 156 Sprinter on the 1987 outside line.

 

Getting the curve absolutely constant radius is vital, it is the kinks which cause the collisions. I use set track below 2ft radius cutting webs between sleepers and easing them out to larger radius to close the track spacing towards Streamline spacing, and to far less on straight sidings etc.

 

 

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A friend's Rapido/NRM APT-E has a greater overhang than anything so far. His railway had curves and clearances set for MK3s but these have had to be altered so that the APT-E can be run. It's the longer than usual front overhang which causes problems on the outside of curves.

I had to cut a chunk out of a baseboard support too. Here are a couple of photos. The Hornby Mk3 coach has a greater inside overhang, but the APT is surely the worst thing on the outside.

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The front end of a Pendolino (I had a visiting friend's example run on my layout once ... it caused a couple of problems).

 

Class 166 DMU - these are wider than a mark 3 coach with a slightly wider outer envelope on curves.

 

Cargowaggon vans (i.e. Heljan) - these have a long overhang between the bogies, inside the curves, plus the centre step boards can cause overwidth problems with lineside objects like platforms.

 

When I am setting up my clearances, I use the unpowered driving ends of the class 166 unit and the Heljan Cargowaggon vans to double-check things.

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Been testing my rolling stock on set track curves today, was pleasantly surprised to see that the envelopes did not overlap. A Mark 3 coach is pretty long, but I don't know about the stockI don't have. To future-proof my layout, are there other things that will stick out even more? Modern image and OO gauge.

The real Mk3 coach is 23 meterers long, a Mk1 being a mere 20 meters while the forthcoming Hitachi IET trains will use a 26 meter body shell. I'm not sure what the lengths of the New Caledonian sleeper stock is being built to, nor the Mk5 coaches being built for TPE.

 

In terms of overhangs, I believe the bogie positioning on the IET has been done to minimise the remedial work necessary to curved platforms - but I'm not sure if this equates to a grater end throw compared to the shorter Mk3 coach of if the extra length means grater clearance is necessary on the inside of curves to accommodate the body.

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The real Mk3 coach is 23 meterers long, a Mk1 being a mere 20 meters while the forthcoming Hitachi IET trains will use a 26 meter body shell. I'm not sure what the lengths of the New Caledonian sleeper stock is being built to, nor the Mk5 coaches being built for TPE.

 

In terms of overhangs, I believe the bogie positioning on the IET has been done to minimise the remedial work necessary to curved platforms - but I'm not sure if this equates to a grater end throw compared to the shorter Mk3 coach of if the extra length means grater clearance is necessary on the inside of curves to accommodate the body.

The IET is the same between the bogie centres as a Mark 3, all the extra length is at the (tapered) ends of the IET coaches.

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Does the driver have to look out of the door window to see where he is going?

 

 

I doubt the prototype encountered such tight curves, that is insane overhang though! I imagine buildings were demolished when some people ran them!

 

I think the model driver looks 180 scale feet in front of him, sees the track takes in a 90 degree turn and shuts his eyes.

 

My own feeling is, if you are building a layout and it is going to be with you for many years, it is sensible to build it physically able to accept any train you can imagine, however unrealistic in operation, so you can test the model or indeed enjoy seeing it running from time to time.

 

My caveat is to do this without spoiling the appearance of the layout. In my case, the equivalent curve is in a tunnel, it will let me have a 24-foot layout (eventually!) instead of an 11-foot one. I draw the line at not trying to accommodate 0-16.5, but everything 00 and H0 ought to fit.

 

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The real Mk3 coach is 23 meterers long, a Mk1 being a mere 20 meters while the forthcoming Hitachi IET trains will use a 26 meter body shell. I'm not sure what the lengths of the New Caledonian sleeper stock is being built to, nor the Mk5 coaches being built for TPE.

 

In terms of overhangs, I believe the bogie positioning on the IET has been done to minimise the remedial work necessary to curved platforms - but I'm not sure if this equates to a grater end throw compared to the shorter Mk3 coach of if the extra length means grater clearance is necessary on the inside of curves to accommodate the body.

 

According to Modern Railways the new sleepers are slightly shorter than a mk3, so that the current mix of Mk3 and Mk2 can be replaced by the same number of new coaches and still fit in the longest platforms at Euston.  The 80x units, assuming modelled to scale, are likely to overhang more than a Mk3 on the outside of unprototypically tight model curves despite the taper, and may even overhang more on the outside of some really tight actual curves.  But with the same width and bogie spacing they shouldn't overhang any further on the inside. 

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