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#1 Craig Watson

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:40

Hi all,

I have created this topic to seperate my HO Canadian modelling from my other OO workbench and layout topics which haven't been updated in a while for various reasons.

Having an Aunt who lives just outside Toronto has allowed a couple of visits over the years with another planned for next year, from an early age she usd to send me over HO stuff at birthdays and Christmas so the seed was sown!

I have started work on plans for a Canadian HO layout set in the Toronto area, work on a few structures for the layout has started and I've slowly been building a collection of suitable stock for use on the layout.

I recently had the chance to pick up a decent priced secondhand Kato CP twin flag liveried AC4400 (road number 9524), I already had this loco in my fleet but the bargain was too good to let go!

I picked up a set of Microscale decals and as I had some spare time before starting a nightshift last night and already had my portable workbench set up on the dining room table I decided to give the renumbering a go.

From some quick research on www.railpictures.net I found that I could model 9529 in twin flag livery which would only involve changing one number making it an easy job:)

First up the model was disassembled with handrails removed to make handling easier, then the required number was carefully removed using thinners applied with a cotton bud then gently scraped off with a cocktail stick.
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The below pic shows where I rubbed a bit too hard and went through the red paint, as the mumber 9 will cover the affected part it isn't too much of a problem though.
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The replacement numbers were then cut from the sheet and applied using a little microsol,
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The model was then reassembled, the only job still to do is to replace the running number on the nose as this still shows the original number as can be seen in the second pic below.
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I've also built a few Walthers buildings for the layout, I'll update on here when I get the chance to get a few pics taken.

Cheers

Craig

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#2 Craig Watson

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:01

Another project on my bench is this Rail Power Products SD90MAC.

I picked it up as a complete kit including the powered chasis secondhand for about £20 and I've been slowly working on it for a while, the plan is to finish it in CP beaver livery.

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It's a pretty basic model but will do until I can pick up a Kato one:D

Cheers

Craig
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#3 Allegheny1600

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:22

I picked it up as a complete kit including the powered chasis secondhand for about £20 and I've been slowly working on it for a while, the plan is to finish it in CP beaver livery.


Hi Craig,
Blimey, well done!!
I consider that a good bargin as i have a similar project (which has been on-going for 12+ years!) and the running total is about £120!!!!!
The basic body and chassis are not too bad, it's all those little fine details, brass fitting and so on, they mount up!!

The RPP bodies are adequate but can be made to look excellent with some work!
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Posted 11 October 2010 - 21:27

Thanks John!

As part of the layout plans I have a rough trackplan drawn but find myself tweaking bits now and again!
The boards are being started next week and I have a large chunk of thePeco code 83 track I need, the plan is for a continuous run as the layout will be running both freight and passenger (VIA & GO Transit) but due to space I need to design it as a sort of dumbell shape, a major part of this is designing the end curves to take a rake of Bombardier GO coaches without derailments!

I have also built a few Walthers kits, there will be a station served by both GO & VIA services which is based on a Walthers Amtrak station building which will be provided with GO & VIA signage, it will also have a bus interchange as per Ajax, the station used by us to get to Union Station when visiting my Aunt.

This is the building before weathering and signage is added, still unsure of a name for the station but it will be taken from somewhere on the route from Oshawa to Toronto.

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Craig
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Posted 12 October 2010 - 09:05

If you wanted to continue the "Hellenic" theme it could be called "Zeus" - actually it might be a good idea to have a line that ran from Ajax via Minerva to Zeus. :unsure:

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 15:14

Hi Craig, lovely stuff you have there (even if CP Rail did wipe the Soo off the map... <_< :angry: ;) ) - looks like you're into the high-Horsepower stuff!! B) Neat re-numbering job, too!

I can only be green with envy at your £20 bargain - oh the joys of HO..! Mindyou, I make my fellow O-scalers jealous sometimes with the price of my U.S. stuff compared to British outline prices... :P :D

... this Rail Power Products SD90MAC.

I picked it up as a complete kit including the powered chasis secondhand for about £20 ...
It's a pretty basic model but will do until I can pick up a Kato one:D


I thought RailPower shells were supposed to be very good? Or is it the drivetrain that's 'basic', Athearn maybe?

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 18:43

Yeah really nice neat job on the renumbering - Murphy normally gets involved about half way through to break the news that Kato and Microscale disagree on how big the numbers should be, so it's nice they concur here... :)

As for Rail Power Products, the prototype-modelling crowd called them Rough Plastic Parts - they weren't mostly too bad as models, just very basic, they didn't usually supply a mech, just a chassis block compatible with Athearn drivetrain parts.

They certainly can make a decent model though, Athearn has proved that by taking many of the molds and producing items in their RTR line from them, the RTR GP35 and CF7 for example owe their existence to RPP I believe.

I'm surprised in a way the SD9043 hasn't followed, I know Kato did it but they are heading into "hens teeth" territory now - I fancy an Indiana Railroad one as well which of course hasn't been done RTR either! ;)

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 01:35

... the RTR GP35 and CF7 for example owe their existence to RPP I believe.

I'd like a CF7 in O scale! B)

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 02:16

If you wanted to continue the "Hellenic" theme it could be called "Zeus" - actually it might be a good idea to have a line that ran from Ajax via Minerva to Zeus. :unsure:


Ajax was actually named for a British battleship, and all the streets are named after her crew members.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 07:55

Interesting fact, David, and something that I'll bet most don't know. I certainly didn't realise that there was that sort of reason for the name

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 08:12

Craig...you answered my question from the other night's email. DCC is a given. Sound? Want some guest locos? Posted Image
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 10:03

Craig...you answered my question from the other night's email. DCC is a given. Sound? Want some guest locos? Posted Image
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Guest locos will be welcome, once its finished!!

Took some of the stock up to our club last night, both to give it a run and test the GO coaches on the tightest curves on the layout which they managed okB)

A taster of what I was running!

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Cheers

Craig
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 12:51

Craig;

If you check the Overseas Prototype forun, I posted some pics that I took over the last couple of days in the Toronto area.

The VIA P42 looks a little funny - it is a bit on the blue side (although the blue ones do look significantly different shades depending on the lighting). A few of them are in a green shade to match the Rennaissance (ex-Nightstar) coaches as well.

I see you went for the F59PHi for your GO loco. While not strictly accurate (it is pretending to be an MP40PH-3C), it is the best option at the moment. You do need more GO coaches though, the current Lakeshore trains have 12 (whether the loco could pull 12 is another question).

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 14:01

Craig;

If you check the Overseas Prototype forun, I posted some pics that I took over the last couple of days in the Toronto area.

The VIA P42 looks a little funny - it is a bit on the blue side (although the blue ones do look significantly different shades depending on the lighting). A few of them are in a green shade to match the Rennaissance (ex-Nightstar) coaches as well.

I see you went for the F59PHi for your GO loco. While not strictly accurate (it is pretending to be an MP40PH-3C), it is the best option at the moment. You do need more GO coaches though, the current Lakeshore trains have 12 (whether the loco could pull 12 is another question).

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Hi Adrian,

I'll have a look at the pics,

The F59PHi GO loco was the easy option for now, I have a total of 11 coaches at present (2 are control cars), I also have the TrueLine trains MP40PH-3C ordered, I still have my original GO loco too, a Walthers Trainline F50PH.

The VIA P42 is an Athearn model straight out of the box.

Cheers

Craig
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 14:30

Hi Adrian,

I'll have a look at the pics,

The F59PHi GO loco was the easy option for now, I have a total of 11 coaches at present (2 are control cars), I also have the TrueLine trains MP40PH-3C ordered, I still have my original GO loco too, a Walthers Trainline F50PH.

The VIA P42 is an Athearn model straight out of the box.

Cheers

Craig



Agree on the shade of blue green? There was one for sale at Ayr show and it looked a lot greener. Have they varied from batch to batch?
It all looks a little East at the mo' Craig. Need the western influence in there. West Coast Rail double decks and plenty of Amtrak West and BNSF stuff to spice things up?!!?
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 15:12

Agree on the shade of blue green? There was one for sale at Ayr show and it looked a lot greener. Have they varied from batch to batch?
It all looks a little East at the mo' Craig. Need the western influence in there. West Coast Rail double decks and plenty of Amtrak West and BNSF stuff to spice things up?!!?
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Don't know about the colour, could just be the rubbish lighting at the club!

Another pic,
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Cheers

Craig

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 15:27

The P42s have a fair amount of green in the blue (and show it in sunlight) - see the pics in my thread on Overseas Prototype - all the VIA P42s pictured are in the same livery. I didn't manage to get a picture of 902, which is in the green livery, when it went past me on Monday (I was busy driving). The blue ones can look amost that dark when sitting in the shade (inside the Union Station trainshed for example), but it isn't really the best approximation of the colour.

Is the Walthers Trainline loco an F40PH? If so, GO did use 6 of them for a while, in the days when the train sizes were smaller (5-6 coaches on some lines).

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 15:39

Here are a few extra shots of prototype P42s. Note that the upper rear paint on 907 seemed to be excessively faded.
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BTW. I saw a test shot of the Rapido LRC coach (the grey boxes behind the P42 for those who aren't up on VIA coaches) a few weeks ago, and it looked very good.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 15:44

The P42s have a fair amount of green in the blue (and show it in sunlight) - see the pics in my thread on Overseas Prototype - all the VIA P42s pictured are in the same livery. I didn't manage to get a picture of 902, which is in the green livery, when it went past me on Monday (I was busy driving). The blue ones can look amost that dark when sitting in the shade (inside the Union Station trainshed for example), but it isn't really the best approximation of the colour.

Is the Walthers Trainline loco an F40PH? If so, GO did use 6 of them for a while, in the days when the train sizes were smaller (5-6 coaches on some lines).

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Hi Adrian,

Sorry, it is an F40PH, noticed some pics of the real thing on railpictures a while back

Here's a pic of it on our old club layout,

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Cheers

Craig

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 15:51

And here is an MP40PH-3C
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 08:45

Craig, etal. Not sure if you've found this resource but its excellent for keeping up with CP's roster.

CP Roster
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 20:47

I see Craig u have caught the canadian bug, get over there and enjoy!!

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 21:45

I see Craig u have caught the canadian bug, get over there and enjoy!!


Oh, I caught it a long time ago, when I recieved a Tyco SD40 in CP livery as a birthday present from my Aunt in the early 80's:D

Cheers

Craig

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 19:24

Craig, etal. Not sure if you've found this resource but its excellent for keeping up with CP's roster.

CP Roster

Or there's this one as well:- http://www.mountainr...y.com/Index.htm
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 19:31

Or there's this one as well:- http://www.mountainr...y.com/Index.htm


Thanks for this (and the one above) guys, two new bookmarked sites to add to the list:)

Cheers

Craig







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