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Ultimate Pre-Grouping - Trevithick


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I have not forgotten about my plans to create a diorama, as described in my Broad Gauge blog

 

While I was researching the early days of the GWR, however, I found myself thinking about what had gone before – back to the ultimate pre-grouping period!  This led me to Trevithick’s engines, of which I photographed a replica at Blists Hill Museum near Telford:

 

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Trevithick replica at Blists Hill Museum

 

Trevithick was a remarkable inventor but, sadly, not a good businessman. He not only demonstrated, by 1802, that a compact high-pressure steam engine could be adapted to both road and rail uses but also that such a vehicle could be propelled by adhesion alone. In his Penydarren locomotive of 1804, possibly his most famous design, he turned the exhaust steam up the chimney, so creating the ‘blast pipe’ which was to prove an essential component of later locomotives. He sold all the rights to his designs and emigrated to South America to seek his fortune. He eventually failed there and died in poverty, back in England.

 

His son, Francis, wrote a two-volume biography ‘Life of Richard Trevithick’, published 1872, which describes his father’s life and inventions. In Vol.1, page 181, there is an illustration of the Tramway engine that was built for South Wales in 1803:

 

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Next, as so often seems to happen when I start a new research project, an entire ‘can of worms’ began to open up!

 

The book also notes, however, that “particulars are taken from Trevithick's letters where other evidences are conflicting . It is probable that more than one tramroad - engine was constructed in Wales at that time.” The dimensions listed above do not correspond with the associated drawings! For example by scaling from the drawing, if the wheelbase is 4’ 1” then the boiler is only about 5 feet long, while the flywheel is about 8’ 9” diameter, so there is no way it could have fitted through the Plymouth-works tunnel on the Penydarren tramway!

 

Later in the book, there are references to three different engines, including the one that I saw (in replica) at Blists Hill museum, Coalbrookdale.

 

We have no account of the railway work done by the Coalbrookdale travelling engine of 1802. The Welsh tramroad - engine of 1803 took a gross load of 25 tons, at the rate of four miles an hour, over a bad road, with sharp curves and stiff inclines, and without load ran at a speed of sixteen miles an hour. The Newcastle locomotive of 1804 was, in general outline, similar to the Welsh locomotive, but in detail superior. The wheels were to run on rails instead of trám-plates, and were 9 inches farther apart than the Welsh locomotive, giving increased steadiness. The boiler and return tube were wholly of wrought iron; the fire -door and chimney were at one end of the boiler, and the cylinder and guide-rods at the other end, giving more room to the engineman than on the Welsh locomotive, which had all those things at one end of the boiler. The cylinder of the Newcastle locomotive was of the same size as the Coalbrookdale engine of 1802 , being 7 inches in diameter, with a 3-feet stroke, and therefore was probably made at Coalbrookdale, from Trevithick's drawings and patterns of 1802, with its regulating blastpipe and steam of from 60 to 145 lbs . on the square inch .”

 

At this point, there is even a Swindon connection, as shown by correspondence between Joseph Armstrong and Francis Trevithick:

 

“F. TREVITHICK , Esq . May 10th, 1870

DEAR SIR,

By this post I have forwarded a tracing of the old locomotive for Mr. Trevithick, and likewise some copies of an extract from the Gateshead Observer.' They would have been sent ere now, but I have had some difficulty in procuring an original from which to get a tracing, and have also spent time in hunting up this extract, and having it reprinted .

Yours truly,

JOSEPH ARMSTRONG Esq, Swindon.”

 

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In Plate V. , a is a steam-cylinder 7 inches diameter, 3 -feet stroke , fixed in the boiler ; b , piston-rod ; c, crosshead ; d, guides ; e , stay ; f, connecting rod ; g, crank ; h, driving axle ; i, fly-wheel ; j, gear-wheels ; k , four driving wheels, 3 feet 1 inch diameter, 4 feet 8 inches from centre to centre ; 1, four-way cock ; m, lever for working cock ; n, plug-rod ; o , cylindrical wrought- iron boiler, 4 feet diameter , 6 feet 6 inches long ; p, firegrate ; q, return fire - tube of wrought iron , 2 feet 3 inches diameter at the fire -door end, 1 foot diameter at the chimney end ; r, chimney ; s , fire-door ; t , railway of longitudinal timbers, 3 inches wide, 4 inches deep ; u, cross-sleepers, 4 inches wide , 3 inches deep ; 1 foot 1 inch apart ; gauge between wood rails , 4 feet 10 inches ; weight of engine in working order, 4 tons.

 

 

 

 

Trevithick's 'Newcastle' engine

 

After searching for more information, I found Anthony Dawson’s much more recent book ‘Before Rocket: The Steam Locomotive up to 1829’, published 2020, in which Chapter 1 reviews Trevithick’s work between 1802 and 1814.

 

This text agrees that there were at least three similar locomotives. Dawson points out, however, that the Penydarren locomotive “was built to be convenient for the driver to work the engine and for the witnesses to see what was going on” He suggests that “this would probably rule out the cylinder being at the same end as the chimney. Thus, it is more likely that the Penydarren locomotive had the cylinder at the opposite end to the chimney and firebox, somewhat analogous with the Gateshead [Newcastle] Engine.

 

I do not know why he discards Francis Trevithick’s description and statements in reaching this conclusion, since the earlier work appears to be clear about the differences between the two engines.

 

There is also the matter of a ‘replica’ built by The Museum of Wales (Waterfront Museum, Swansea), completed in 1981.  Their guidebook states “that the replica was built working from Trevithick’s original documents and plans (now in the National Museum of Science and Industry).” This leaves the question “which plans?”. Their ‘replica’ places the chimney at the opposite end of the boiler from the cylinder, unlike the illustration in Francis Trevithick’s book but similar to the later Newcastle engine

 

Perhaps I am missing some recent piece of scholarship but it is hard to see why the layout of the later Newcastle engine was preferred for the Welsh replica over Francis Trevithick’s 1872 description of the Welsh engine. Francis T. did, however, note that there was conflicting evidence and that “It is probable that more than one tramroad-engine was constructed in Wales at that time”. As I noted above, the engine, as drawn in his book, could not have run through the tunnel on the Penydarren tramway, although reducing the size of the flywheel would be a relatively simple modification.

 

It seems that, after a lot of reading and thinking, the can of worms remains open!

 

Creating a Model

 

Naturally, I felt the need to create my own model but then I found a 3D printable design, created for the Prusa printer on the ‘Printables’ website  This work is licensed under a Creative Commons (4.0 International License) Attribution—Noncommercial—Share Alike @ThorinOakenshield.

 

This model, however, is a much larger and more sophisticated model than my own usual designs but I thought I might re-scale and simplify the design. Then, there is the question of ‘which engine does it represent?

 

I tried my method of overlaying the drawing on p.181 of Trevithick’s book over a still from the video of the ‘Printables’ model and … in all the major respects they fit well together! (note that the video image is not quite ‘side-on’)

 

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Overlay of Trevithick drawing (red) on ‘Printables’ model

 

So, whether or not this is actually the Penydarren engine or another Trevithick prototype, I feel that I am close to the appearance of one of the very first locomotive engines ever to run on rails!  I decided to reduce the dimensions of my version, to fit a 4’ 4” gauge trackbed in 4 mm/foot scale, as the track gauge seems to be the only firm figure we have!

 

To do this, I imported the drawing on p.181 of Trevithick’s book into ‘Fusion 360’ as a ‘canvas’ and then scaled it to the correct gauge at 4mm/foot scale. This confirmed the wheel diameter as 15 mm (prototype 3’ 9”).

 

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Drawing from Trevithick's book scaled in Fusion 360

 

Next, I loaded the .stl file for the wheels, downloaded from the web, into ‘Fusion 360’ as a ‘mesh body’. I laid this body over the above drawing and adjusted the size until the wheel diameter matched the drawing. This needed a scale factor of 21.34%.

 

I imported all the .stl files for the web model into the ‘Cura’ software and re-sized them all by the same scale factor.  Then I loaded all the re-scaled files into ‘Fusion 360’ as mesh bodies.

 

I could then move each of the parts within ‘Fusion 360’ into its appropriate location around the boiler, as shown below against the ‘canvas’ backdrop:

 

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‘Printables’ files, re-scaled and loaded into Fusion 360

 

This confirmed that the re-scaled parts should all fit together as required. It also indicated, however, that some parts would be too thin to print successfully at the reduced scale. In particular, the boiler casing would be far too thin, so I decided it would probably be easier to design a new part for this component and, maybe, for some other parts as well.

 

The next step will be to review all the parts for their suitability for printing at 4 mm scale and make modifications where necessary.  In the meantime, I show a couple of 3D views of the model, rendered in ‘Fusion 360’:

 

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Two rendered views of 3D-model assembled in Fusion 360 from ‘Printables’ files

 

Mike

 

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Brilliant Mike.

Well researched as ever.  I love the title as well.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ChrisN said:

Brilliant Mike.

Well researched as ever.  I love the title as well.

Thanks Chris - the title was a last minute idea as I was posting.  The research took quite a while, as there's a lot of conflicting information out there!  I'm realising that history is a very difficult subject for research.

 

There used to be an Airfix kit and I'm not sure which prototype that was based on.

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Another fascinating article Mike.  I liked the title as well.

 

Plateway railways could end up being a rabbit hole I could get lost in.  Steve Flanders has made a small collection of digital plateway models for the Trainz simulator, - including as you might have guessed the Pen-y-daran engine.

 

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Most interesting... I've got one of the Airfix kit versions, as yet unmade, I did have a mad plan, a while back, of using the kit as a "pattern" and making the model in metal. I then started thinking of up scaling it to make a larger model !... Whether I'll get round to any of this remains to be seen, at very least I'll at some point make up the Airfix kit.  I did in fact make one as a kid when Airfix brought it out the first time, would've been late1960s I guess ? 

Always thought it was a fascinating loco, and good to see some interest in it. 

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36 minutes ago, Annie said:

Steve Flanders has made a small collection of digital plateway models for the Trainz simulator, - including as you might have guessed the Pen-y-daran engine.

I must take a closer look at what's on the simulators - lots of interesting stuff there!  Steve seems to have chosen the same design that I did, with chimney and cylinders at the same end - not so convenient for firing on the move, so it's not surprising that Trevithick changed the layout later on ... although we don't seem to know exactly when.  I read an amusing passage in his son's book that "It was a saying in Cornwall that Captain Dick would make a capital working steam-engine from the scrap heap or castaways of ordinary engineers.", so there are probably lots of unknown variants.
 

Thank you, Annie, for showing your appreciation.  I'm sure that some modelling of the South Wales tramways would be fascinating.  I've walked some of the trackbeds and they pass though some dramatic scenery.

 

I've already tried printing some of the gear wheels and they have come out rather well (shown un-fettled), despite their small sizes.  Some other parts are going to need a re-design for printing in 4mm scale, though.

 

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Being a former native of the area, I took great pride that the first railway locomotive in the world was done at Coalbrookdale. I used to own a very scholarly book “A history of railway locomotives down to the end of the year 1831”, by C.F. Dendy Marshall. This was the sort of work where there’s more footnotes than text, and quite limited illustrations. He brings out that information on this engine is very shadowy, and early on in its life the boiler failed, leading to casualties and a magistrates court case, which killed the project off. I’ve never come across more detail than this. There used to be a “replica” outside Telford Central station, which was given to a local school some time ago. Would this be the same job which is now at Blists Hill, or are there two? It would seem the creation was done by backtracking from what is known about the better known Pen-y-Darren loco. 
Just down the river there was Raistricks Hazeldine Foundry, at Bridgnorth, which Trevithick used for castings on further locomotive work.

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23 hours ago, Northroader said:

I used to own a very scholarly book “A history of railway locomotives down to the end of the year 1831”, by C.F. Dendy Marshall.

Thank you for this information, @Northroader.  I have now had an opportunity to look at Marshall's book and it contains a lot of interesting information.  I also note that a footnote at the beginning of the chapter about Trevithick refers to the biography by Francis Trevithick, stating that "' Much of this chapter is derived from it.". 

 

Nevertheless, there are many interesting additional items, such as this quotation from a communication by Mr. Reynolds Anstice ‘ then in charge of Madeley Wood Co.:

 

"There was a beautifully executed model of this locomotive engine in my Uncle William Reynolds' possession, which was given me by his widow, the late Mrs. Reynolds, of Severn House, after his death. I was then a boy, fond of making model engines of my own, and I broke up the priceless relic to convert it to my own base purposes, an act which I now repent as if it had been a sin. The Coalbrookdale engine is, I believe, the first locomotive engine on

record intended to be used on a railroad."

 

This seems clear that the Coalbrookdale eingine was a locomotive and not just a stationary engine, although Trevithick himself frequently referred to his compact high-pressure engines as 'general purpose' machines.

 

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Richard's time in South America wasnt a complete Failure, he was involved in some mining and the first Railways in Peru

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5 hours ago, sir douglas said:

Richard's time in South America wasnt a complete Failure, he was involved in some mining and the first Railways in Peru

Indeed so - I didn't attempt an overview of his career, which is described in several books.  For such a talented person, it seems rather sad that his life ended in poverty.

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Thank you, that's very informative, and adds a few more books onto my wish list. However, I'm curious what the objection is to the size of flywheel in relation to the tunnel. All the drawings I've seen (not as many as you, I'm sure, and I could not say which locomotive each of them is for) have the top of the flywheel at least a foot below the top of the chimney. The flywhweel is, of course, further outside the centre line, but the chimney is also offset quite some distance. What shape is the tunnel?

 

Incidentally, I notice in the very first drawing in this thread, that the flywheel crankpin isn't on one of the spokes, which seems rather odd to me. Is it a cast iron flywheel with a separate wrought iron crank?

 

Having seen the replica Puffing Devil run through the streets of Camborne, I can quite see why Trevithick wanted both as large a flywheel as he could manage and some gearing.

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I agree, Jeremy, that there are many puzzles remaining concerning exactly what happened at Penydarren.  I also agree that all the other drawings I have seen show the flywheel crankpin aligned with  one of the spokes but there could have been a separate crank as you suggest, since that is the arrangement on the other side of the drive shaft.

 

One account claims that the rails through the tunnel were moved and that this led to an argument over the prize being awarded.  It might mean that the rails were offset to give maximum height over the flywheel.  It is probable that the chimney was removed or lowered, as the boiler would retain sufficient steam for the passage through the tunnel.  There's a passage in a letter to Mr Giddy that says: "It is above nine miles , which we performed in four hours and five minutes. We had to cut down some trees and remove some large rocks out of the road. The engine, while working, went nearly five miles per hour ; no water was put into the boiler from the time we started until we arrived at our journey's end ".  That was a very long time to travel 9 miles and allows for plenty of stoppages to deal with various obstacles.

 

Regarding your books 'wish list', the biography by Francis Trevithick can be downloaded free from the Internet Archive website.

 

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19 minutes ago, MikeOxon said:

no water was put into the boiler from the time we started until we arrived at our journey's end

Wow! Four hours and no water put in the boiler.

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1 hour ago, Jeremy Cumberland said:

Wow! Four hours and no water put in the boiler.

The boiler was pretty large (6' x 4' 3" dia) and not full of tubes either, which may be relevant factors.

 

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