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Errors/Inaccuracies etc


JimC

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Mistakes. We all make them, and if I was immune I wouldn't have to publish this errata sheet for my [hopefully first] book. 
https://www.devboats.co.uk/gwdrawings/errata/GWRlocoDevelopmentErrataFirstEdition.pdf

 

At the moment I've been going through some of my sketches for the book, improving some of the older ones where I think I can do better now, and adding some new ones where I can.
I reuse everything I can, so coming to do a 79 class (1858 0-6-0) based on the Ahrons drawing in Holcroft's Armstrongs of the Great Western, I resolved to use as much as possible of my drawing of the slightly earlier and very similar 57 class. All well and good,and inside frames and motion went easily, whilst different size wheels are scarcely a problem, just count the spokes. So I got to the boiler. A quick cross check in RCTS confirmed that the principal dimensions  are recorded as being the same, so I anticipated a straight copy and paste. Pasted it in and... Well, just didn't match. 
An overlay of three of the Ahrons drawings in Holcroft (see below) seems to suggest that his 57 boiler is just a little short. I've lined up 57, 79 and 121 drawings in the image below and you can see the variation. 

 

 

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So what to do. The trouble is although we have boiler dimensions in RCTS, they are inside the cladding, so of limited use. So do I go with my source, or do I conjecturally amend? Rightly or wrongly I'm taking the view that as these are my sketches, not Ahrons, and as I claim to be doing more than simply copying his work, I'm going to change the boiler on the 57 to be what I think it probably was, rather than reflect the source. It was a nasty surprise though.

 

As a little something to amuse further, here's two other things I picked up. This is a page extract from C J Freezer's "Locomotives in Outline, GWR". You can see that my copy has angry pencil annotations.  I was very detuned when I put these in, because I'd put the statement about lever reverse in the book, and had to make a desperate last second change as it went to the printers, for the proof had already been approved. Fainter are the words "Too short" above the bunker. Freezer had unaccountably drawn the same rear overhang on his 94 drawing as on a 57, which is of course too short, and there are all sorts of distortions of bunker door cutout and roof to cram it all in. 

 

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Compare the proportions on the real 94.

 

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(photo 9466 group on Facebook)

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To correct appropriate but sadly accidental misspelling in the thread title.

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RCTS doesn't mention the matter.

 

So presumably the story of loco sheds not liking the allegedly-fitted screw reverse and replacing it with a conventional lever is an old wives' tale.

 

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Well, it would seem so. Its not impossible, I suppose, that some were screw fitted initially, maybe the first lot, but bearing in mind that screw reverse needs to interact with the firebox casing if not the tanks I can't imagine fitting it would be a shed job, even f the factory would supply the parts. I'll ask on GWSG. Someone there should know.

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One could have a spot the difference here! Feel free folks, especially if you can spot something I'd otherwise miss when I come to my sketches. I was thinking that these two variants on the 79 class were so alike as not to be worth illustrating, but I've decided there's enough change there that it should be highlighted.

These are the Ahrons drawings, from the Holcroft Armstrong's book, of the 2nd Goods (1857) and the 4th Goods (1861). The thing that particularly struck me was the apparent lack of a sand box on the 79. I suppose there could be a tiny sandbox between the frames, (I've found what appears to be one such in "The British Steam Locomotive" but its a bit odd. The actual pipes are clearly different, Ahrons is not tracing his own drawings. It could be an error I suppose, even Homer nods. 

I'm beginning to find this early stuff rather fascinating, but always the way I suppose. I fear I lack the skills and perhaps more importantly the determination to follow @MikeOxon into modelling the period though. I will admit to being happy to have little in the way of locomotive breaks (we are in the 19thC here, breaks is correct) as I find them a particular pain to get right.


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1 hour ago, JimC said:

I'm beginning to find this early stuff rather fascinating, but always the way I suppose. I fear I lack the skills and perhaps more importantly the determination to follow @MikeOxon into modelling the period though.

Thank you for the reference Jim.  The good thing about the early period is that there is very little information to prove if you've got it wrong 🙂 

 

On the few occasions where there are photos, however, I have found frequent discrepancies from the drawings.  It's an old problem:  as long ago as 1898, Sekon wrote in his book ‘The Evolution of the Steam Locomotive’ that “Readers may wonder why such obviously inaccurate statements should be published. One can only conjecture. Many lists of early locomotives have during the past few years been published. These should, however, be accepted with the very greatest caution.” 

 

Always try to find primary sources whenever you can and be prepared for later information to be inaccurate.

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2 hours ago, JimC said:

One could have a spot the difference here! Feel free folks, especially if you can spot something I'd otherwise miss when I come to my sketches.

I suppose that the more significant differences are the presence of compensation beams on the earlier engine and the change from round-section coupling rids to flat rods in the later version. 

 

There are difference in the boiler and firebox supports, as well as in the smokebox wrapper. The spring gear looks to have been beefed-up in the later engine.  The reversing lever has changed and so has the spring balance but these could be something on the drawings, rather than on the engine itself!  I'm surprised that the leather buffers do not appear to have changed!  i assume that the vertical lines above the backplate on the later version are the edges of a small spectacle plate.

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54 minutes ago, MikeOxon said:

On the few occasions where there are photos, however, I have found frequent discrepancies from the drawings. 

I suppose if no battle plan survives contact with the enemy then perhaps no arrangement plan survives the first general overhaul!

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94xx reversing gear. I've been pointed at drawing 122690, which is for Lot 365 and is of reversing lever and quadrant. That's an October 1945 drawing for lot 365 , the Swindon build, so I'm pretty reasonably confident they were all lever reverse.

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Its all very weird though. Freezer must surely have seen umpteen 94s. How did he get the idea they had screw reverse, and where did the other tales come from? Offhand I can't think  of any GWR classes that converted from screw to lever reverse in the right sort of timespan that the tales could be confused with. 2251s went the other way I believe.

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