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and now for something completely different...2FS Diorama idea...


bcnPete

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Update - I thought I would give the hoods a break tonight :rolleyes:

 

What follows is an idea that started brewing around the Expo weekend. I am not sure if it was influenced by discussions with Bryn on future layout plans, Kris's decision to adapt Avonwick into a roundy roundy or seeing the long trains running on Fencehouses.

 

I had been thinking for a while now, how to resolve the problem of running in my new locos. Both Coombe and Kyle are not suitable so for now I have been using a loop of old Peco N set track...code 80 even, I hear you shudder.

 

I am not a big fan of the 'scenic test track/plank' expression (sorry if that offends anyone) so I began to think of how a double track diorama could work as a mechanism for running in new locos, photographing them as well as watching a few trains go by.

 

I chose a location that I grew up near, Clayton Tunnel on the London - Brighton line, with its famous Grade II listed tunnel mouth portal, which has the advantage of a road bridge crossing in front of it, which could effectively act as scenic breaks each end. The thought of running a 4 cig, or a 47 on the Brighton - Manchester Picadilly was quite compelling from my old spotting days.

 

The main idea being for a double track loop of Easitrac, with 2 identical minimum curved end sections and a long straight run at the back. Black boxes would be integrated into the diorama ends to ensure that the sense of tunnel darkness is captured.

 

And then it got me thinking...the other location that I remember from family holidays was a strip of beach near Parsons tunnel in Dawlish where the trains suddenly appeared between the tunnels as you were swimming. This too would make a great diorama...all those HST's, Peaks, 50's etc also stirred a few nice memories.

 

So...this was further developed, and with a bit of careful planning, I think it would be possible to make a continuous non scenic circuit, for running in new locos, with different 'plug in' dioramas to make it more interesting. The dioramas could be stand alone pieces in their own right even.

 

I am not sure if and when this will be built...but I just wanted to table it...and put the hoods on the backburner before I destroy another one ;)

 

I attach a small 1:10 model made this evening which I hope, with a few sketches, outlines the idea.

 

Pete

 

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The components - Diorama, 2 curved sections and one long straight...

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Components come together as thus...

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Remove this section...

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And add Clayton Tunnel diorama...

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Or add Dawlish diorama...

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Components and both dioramas...even add a fiddleyard!...

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Sketch 1...

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Sketch 2...

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Sketch 3...

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Hi Pete.. yep we are on very similar wavelengths here.

 

swappable and extendable modules for space available and to experiment with different ideas laugh.gif

 

so the interesting question is, what is considered the minimum radius for 2mm FS?

 

Regards

 

Graham

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Strikes me that Coombe Junction would work in this aspect.

 

How I hear you ask.

 

It looks to me that you have already planned a nice section of double track on Coombe, on the viaduct. With a bit of ingenuity this could be converted to your wished for continuos run. This might mean having a replaceable viaduct, and I haven't thought about the scenic break bits, but just imagine how this could boost the potential for Coombe as well.

 

The other thought is, that I hope you have lots of space in which to store all of these laugh.gif

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Good scheme and really impressed with how you've visualised and developed the concept.

 

I gained similar inspiration from tramway modular layouts, joining dioramas to produce a running, flexible, layout. Now, I have in mind to adopt a similar principle with the modular plain line sections of my Uxbridge Vine Street scheme, partly as an encouragement to progress as well as giving me a test run.

 

Many thanks.

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Graham - Agreed! - In terms of the min radius, I am not too sure - I was using my old set track as a guide which is approx 600mm diameter - I forget to say that the overall size of the above is 1200mm x 800mm giving interchangeable diaroma areas of approx 600 x 300mm. Gentle curved track scenairios, such as Dawlish could be implemented by using the 'tunnel black boxes' to straighten the track back for alignment with the standard curved end sections...one of my earlier sketches shows the introduction of additional non scenic boards which would allow full length trains to be accomodated.

 

Kris - Now there's a thought...but I think having a continuous run section of the London to Penzance mainline would push my wife over the edge...some ideas are best kept at 1:10 scale :P

 

EL - Thanks - Even if mine does not progress beyond this stage, I am happy if it has triggered something for someone - I shall keep an eye on your blog!

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Nice plan pete.... any plans for spotters peering over the bridge on the A273? Will keep watching with interest.

 

BRs Jon

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Nice plan pete.... any plans for spotters peering over the bridge on the A273?

 

Ah hah...you recognise it!!

 

I grew up spotting around here and I remember that we were bored seeing mostly Cigs and Veps so it was pretty exciting to see a class 73 or the 33 on the weekly oil train or the daily 47 on the Brighton - Manchester Picadilly service.

 

20 years ago I started a N gauge conversion of 4 Mk I's to an EMU but it was put on ice. Even though my main railway interest lies in china clay, I kinda feel I ought to make something one day that nods towards the days when I spent time chasing trains...when I should have been chasing women...mispent youth and all that ;)

 

Pete

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Minimum radius for mainline stock in 2mm finescale is generally accepted as 600mm. That's what we use on Copenhagen Fields.

 

It could possibly be squeezed down to 450mm if mainly bogie stock is being run. This might require a degree of gauge widening which is achievable with soldered track but not with Easitrac.

 

Mark.

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Hi Pete smile.gif

 

WOW, you really are flexing your modelling muscles right now. Obviously the Expo inspired you quite a bit! First there was Coombe Junc', then Kyle, then the OO one, also some O gauge?, and now this. Where do you find the time! Its all good stuff though, Im still admiring how neat all your work is.

 

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Hi Pete smile.gif

 

WOW, you really are flexing your modelling muscles right now. Obviously the Expo inspired you quite a bit! First there was Coombe Junc', then Kyle, then the OO one, also some O gauge?, and now this. Where do you find the time! Its all good stuff though, Im still admiring how neat all your work is.

 

Missy tongue.gif

 

Hi Pete,

 

Missy is right! Now you're modelling in a lot of scales!

(bit like me really! - I recently got some n gauge stuff, to add to my O, O-16.5, OO, EM.... :rolleyes: )

 

Looks a good plan though - I just wonder how much those 2mmFS curves can be squeezed?

 

Marc :D

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Hi Pete

 

That's an awful lot of supporting infrastructure (and work) for not a lot of scenic railway. I fear you would soon grow bored of it.

 

If you want to run new locomotives in then buy a decent rolling road...

 

600mm is a bare minimum radius for 2FS and longer wheelbase stuff won't be happy on it without a lot of gauge widening. It's less of a problem if you run bogie diesels but for steam locos bigger than 0-6-0 I'd advise 750mm as the minimum radius.

 

Edward

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Hi Pete smile.gif

First there was Coombe Junc', then Kyle, then the OO one, also some O gauge?, and now this.

Missy tongue.gif

 

Hi Missy,

 

Your absolutely spot on with all the projects you listed - Nice to know that someone reads my drivel :P

 

Thanks - I am always thinking and drawing in my sketchbook and sometimes I just need to get it out of my system...hence the mini models.

 

I did think of another idea for a 2FS boxfile layout based on Meeth yesterday...

 

The focus is definately now on Coombe - Moorswater, so expect some more updates on this soon :D

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So many potential models, so little modelling time and space! biggrin.gif

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Mark - Thanks - I think the set track I currently use as a test track is 450mm but I wouldn't want to go tighter than 600mm.

 

Marc - Thanks also - nothing wrong with zooming in and out of scales...keeps the eyesight in check!

 

Edward - Hello again! Your right, the ratio of scenic to non scenic is about 25-75...it really developed from a desire to run in locos...but then I got carried away with it! As I said, it may not happen...but I had fun thinking it, drawing it and modelling it :D

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So many potential models, so little modelling time and space! biggrin.gif

 

...so little money to spend on them too :(

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Hi Pete,

 

I do like your mini-models - they (and your sketches) are so neat and much more useful than just having a drawing.

 

I thought I was good at coming up with so many different projects, but you're in a whole different league!biggrin.gif

 

Andy

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Andy, Hi

 

Thanks - had an unforseen couple of hours modelling opportunity crop up last night so I thought I would pull together a few models to test the drawings.

 

When I showed my wife them last night, she commented. " Why are you still making models...I thought that had all finished after that trip to the Oxford the other weekend?"

 

Good job she has not opened all the boxfiles on the office shelves yet ;) :lol:

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When I showed my wife them last night, she commented. " Why are you still making models...I thought that had all finished after that trip to the Oxford the other weekend?"

 

That sounds familiar. I think you need to hope that she doesn't look on here ! laugh.gif At least yours are in box files at the moment though. I'm trying not to mention the 6' section of baseboard that has somehow turned up ready to extend Avonwick onto. Once the other boards are there as well....

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Pete, hi,

 

I was also thinking about the % scenic to non scenic, and my plan, and could apply to yours as well, is that the ends could also be scenic. A tunnel mounth entrance and exit to the curves could lead to the modules.

 

One end of mine will certainly be a long curved viaduct.

 

That way you could turn it into 75/25 scenic and keep the same ideas.

 

Regards

 

Graham

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That way you could turn it into 75/25 scenic and keep the same ideas.

Graham

 

Hi Graham - Thanks - another viable and interesting option...but not for me I feel :O

 

After I returned to the hobby, I realised that my interest lies with making models of prototypical locations/areas that have had an impact on me, hence the 2 suggested diorama locations. I know what I am like...and I can see myself losing interest with forming scenery for scenerys sake...if you know what I mean.

 

The other thing is storage - when I drew it, I always imagined 75% of it being relatively thin...something like foamboard construction stored against the wall - Developing the ends suddenly means 'another layout' and I can imagine the Divorce Lawyer reading aloud all my current projects in court :lol:

 

That said, I could see another scenairio for this proposal which keeps 75% of it relatively flat (stored discretely) and the dioramas as 'Boxfile layouts' which would dimensionally work with the 600mm module, as well as solve the storage issues :rolleyes:

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The other thing is storage - when I drew it, I always imagined 75% of it being relatively thin...something like foamboard construction stored against the wall - Developing the ends suddenly means 'another layout' and I can imagine the Divorce Lawyer reading aloud all my current projects in court laugh.gif

 

That said, I could see another scenairio for this proposal which keeps 75% of it relatively flat (stored discretely) and the dioramas as 'Boxfile layouts' which would dimensionally work with the 600mm module, as well as solve the storage issues rolleyes.gif

 

Now that I totally understand.. I am designing my modules to fit under the Long Meg Layout so they are not obvious initially and are kept safe and clean (my excuse and I'm sticking to it laugh.gif )

 

Regards

 

Graham

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