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coombe junction - moorswater - rotary dries cladding - II


bcnPete

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Update - Take 3...Whilst Barca paste Madrid 5 - 0 in the background this evening, I have tried out the final (?) option on refining the cladding. Thanks to everyones helpful comments of last week, I have looked at reducing the perceived overlap between the panels and omitted the individual panels. I kept going back to the photos of the dries and despite the weathering of the panels as exists today, which clouds the issue slightly, the horizontal banding seems to be very strongly expressed which I felt should be captured.

 

Last time I posted a photo of the prototype next to my model I cut my own throat in public ;) so this time a more subtle reference is

this picture from 46444 Mark (thanks) which I hope demonstrates the horizontal nature of the cladding.

 

To try and reduce the overhang I have used Evergreen .010 x .040 strips laid on double sided tape as thus...

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and then horizontal strips laid on individually...

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front end elevation...

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another view...Barca 3 - 0 at this stage...

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Overall, I think it is better - the overhang is visible, but not as much, whilst the individual panels can perhaps be picked out during weathering. I will wake my now rejoicing neighbours tomorrow morning by shaking a can of grey primer again and giving it a light wash to clean it up but in the meantime I would welcome any comments on this and whether it gets a Barca :) or a Real Madrid :(

 

Thank you

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The overlap is a great improvement far sutler, but I think that having the panels individual will be better than trying to pick them out with paint. Does this make it a score draw?

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more of a Barca.....Though the overlap on corrugated sheeting on models is something I can never quite weigh up....it looks wrong if there isn't any,,,,,but it also looks wrong if there is too much :/ ......this latest effort seems to have got it more or less right and I imagine that the painting will reduce the visual of the overlap impact rather a lot

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Not being a 2mm modeller it's hard to say as I haven't got the "feel" for it, but off-hand I think I agree with Kris that using individual panels would be even better? Maybe some painting/weathering tests could indicate the best solution?

 

Edit: Congratulations on the 5-0 thrashing of Madrid :D !

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The thing is you're actually trying to model a very small diference in thickness, 152 (or 148?) times smaller. I certainly think you've got the right approach with the 'butting' method. You do need to ensure the corrugations line up (I think they mostly do!) as the real sheets can only properly be laid that way.

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I like the effect. Regarding the individual panels where do the overlaps come at the bottom or side of the dips. Perhaps a faint score line which would fill with paint would pick out the individual panels. Mind you we are getting a bit picky here I think you are 3-Nil up on most of us so far.

Don Willsmer

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Kris - Thanks - it looks better than in the photo...but fair comment on the individual panels.

 

Mickey - Thanks also - I know what you mean...but I would rather try and get it as good as I can then rely on the painting/weathering.

 

Mikkel - Thank you - I must admit, I am bit of an impatient modeller so I would rather leave the painting until cladding is complete or else I might lose interest - BTW, I am a lifelong Stoke City fan but you kinda get swept along by Barca here as its the way of life!

 

Thanks Bernard - Agreed about the panel alignment - I must admit I had taken my eye off the ball somewhat, as I knew this elevation is against the backscene...well spotted though ;)

 

Don - Thank you - I can try the 'score line' but I guess cutting the individual panels will give a better effect.

 

 

Thanks all - In the cold light of morning (but without snow) I am still in two minds. I did a quick test last night using 2 pieces of paper and DS tape and this gives something even more subtle...don't be surprised if I post another option later tonight trying this together with individual panels.

 

Thanks for staying with me on this one - I think it could make or break the dries buildings so it's important to try and get right I feel...

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Nice work Pete.B) As for the prototype photo-not a bad shot!:D

 

As for Barca beating Real-Hmmm! think Jose has some explaining to do!:lol:

 

Keep the posts coming. Might be worth experimenting with some paints to see the effects you can creat.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

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Got some information for you that you might find useful. I have been studying and modelling the china clay industry in Cornwall for the past 6 years, so if you can think of anything you'd like to ask me, please go right ahead.

 

First of all, I noticed in one of your previous postings that you pointed out the tall cylindrical structure as being the rotary dryer. Actually, this structure is the fuel oil tank for the dryer, the rotary dryer itself is a mechanical plant sited within the building that you are currently cladding. It is an approximately 7 meter by 2 meter insulated tube, laid horizontally, and slightly inclined to one end, mounted on rollers. This tube rotates, hence the term "rotary", by a planetary rack and pinion gear, and accounts for just under half the length of the building, and about a third of the width. The other half is taken up by the filter press deck, where clay slurry is introduced under pressure into banks of filter cells. This produces a more easily handled "cake", which can be moved throughout the rest of the process on conveyor belts. The remaining space inside the building is taken up with machines like lump-breakers, pug mill extruders, pelletisers, paddle mixers, feed delivery conveyors, and inspection platforms. Your open sliding "door" at the end of the rotary dryer building, would be looking in on the steps up to the press deck, and their concrete supports.

 

Secondly, I noticed that you have provided the entire length of the building with an asymmetrical roof. On the prototype, this asymmetrical roof only extends half-way along the length of the building. At this halfway point, a covered conveyor structure emerges and rises to join the gable end of the large clay store. This feature is visible from photographs. The rotary dryer building at moorswater is 50 feet wide x 160 feet long, of which the first 90 feet has an asymmetrical roof. The asymmetrical section is about 6 feet wider than the symmetrical section, accounting for the 6 foot wide covered conveyor belt structure. This structure contains a single conveyor belt, and a walkway next to it.

 

Also, the individual corrugated sheets used on buildings built by ECLP, were generally 7 foot x 3 foot. Don't forget that corrugated clear plastic sheets were used on the roof to allow light to enter the building. These were laid in a distinctive alternating pattern. Toward the end of the dryer's life, a few of these got broken and were replaced, resulting in a pattern of different coloured sheets on the roof. The plastic became so brittle in the constant sunlight that eventually all it took to break one was to lift a ladder or pipe too high! Speaking of the roof, it appears that you have already noticed that there is a clerestory ridge vent on the rotary dryer building. There is also a similar vent on the store building.

 

Another feature, possibly yet to be included in your model, is the wet scrubbing exhaust stack unit. This stands atop a steel tower beside the rotary dryer buiding and the oil tank, and is visible in photographs of the site. This unit essentially consists of a vertical cylindrical tank with an exhaust stack emerging from it's top, and an exhaust steam pipe entering it's base. This feature was, I believe, added sometime around 1975, when dust pollution laws came into effect. Prior to that, there was just a vertical steam stack emerging from the roof of the rotary dryer building, about halfway down it's length, and just off-centre. Which of the two steam exhaust stacks are modelled would depend on your era, but either way the feature is essential to a modern dryer, as aside from water, steam and hot gasses are the main bi-product of mechanical clay drying. A steam exhaust stack is how a clay industry engineer can tell dryer buildings apart from store buildings without entering one.

 

The older dry has a cut-down granite chimney stack at the far end. This might be worth including on a painted backscene. The dry is approximately 50 feet wide, and in the region of 300 feet long. The settling tanks at the rear (the uphill side) of the dry, are about 70 feet by 60 feet. Among these settling tanks adjoining the back of the dry are some small buildings. These buildings were filter press houses, that were added to aid the dewatering process back when the coal fired dry was still in use. These buildings stand one storey above the settling tanks, and were 20 feet x 40 feet, with a gable roof. Access to these concrete block-built buildings was usually internal, so their only external feature should be some 5 foot square industrial 12 pane windows.

 

The modern rotary store is 115 foot wide, by 150 foot long, and is asymmetrical along it's entire length. The lower side covers the tracks. The ridge of the roof is 18 feet off centre. There are two catwalks either side of the ridge, the purpose of which is unknown.

 

To model all the buildings in N scale, in full length without the use of selective compression, would've required a board 60cm long, by 36cm wide, if you excluded the settling tanks on the coal fired dry. To model the entire length and width of the site, from boundary to boundary, would require a baseboard 1.6 meters long by 60 cm wide. Most of this would be taken up by settling tanks, access roads and the headshunt. As it stands I think your selective compression has worked very well, and the height of the buildings looks to be spot on to me.

 

Well anyway, I hope this wasn't too long to read, and that you got some useful information out of it. Like I said if there's anything else you want to know about the clay industry or Moorswater dryer, let me know.

 

Scott.

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I think I'm with Kris on this one. The 'overlap' is a definite improvement in being quite subtle, but individual panels would be better - either as true separate panels or pre-scored on the strips...

 

BTW, thanks for the pointer on the Evergreen cladding - it looks like it could be exactly what I'm after, but could you let me know which version it is? What's the distance between the 'peaks' and 'troughs'?

 

Cheers

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Mark - thanks - your photos are incredibly useful...I must remember to send the site manager a couple if shots of my model...perhaps when the cladding is sorted!

 

Scott - Many many thanks - this is fantastic and compelling information - I had better get my tape measure out tonight and check some dims! Whilst it would be great to model the whole dries, its really been driven by what I can fit within my narrow width, almost like a rectangular template overlaid on the dries, and what falls inside is captured and what doesn't isn't! Hopefully I have included a variety of differing volumes though and I would like to try and include the oil drum, conveyors and walkways etc to complete it. I will probably be in contact again soon :D

 

Steve - Thanks - Yep...better, but...I will try the individual panel option tonight though - I bought my wife the Downton Abbey series whilst back in the UK last weekend, so have a few extra modelling sessions whilst she immerses herself in that ;)

 

I will have a look at the Evergreen sheet reference tonight and PM you.

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When I get around to it I'll produce some scale drawings. I've (partly) built an N scale model of a rotary dryer building, albeit a different prototype, so I could upload a few photographs to give you some ideas about the steam exhaust system.

 

The covered conveyor would be difficult for you to model at this stage, unless you made some serious modifications to the structure. If you would like to be as prototypical as possible, and want to include this feature, then my suggestion would be to hold fire on the cladding for now, and wait for me to send you some diagrams, as it's easier to show than tell.

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Scott - Thanks for this - sounds great...I must admit I am keen to press on as I am worried that I will lose enthusiasm for the layout again :(

 

Without pressurising your timeframe, is there any way you could sketch out something on a drawing of the area I would need to cut out etc or perhaps if I scan and send some model photos you can draw on them so I can continue with the cladding and leave a space/hole clear to come back to afterwards?

 

EDIT - Scott - Have just managed to find some photos and I think I know the area you are referring to - I may try and cut in a notch and modify the buildings this evening before I get too far - thanks - Pete

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Pete sorry i was not able to get on line till now . did you think of sanding a chamfer to the bottom of the sheets on the inside this would allow you to get them closer and reduce the overhang

 

nige

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I don't know if its been mentioned so far but if you get really stuck you could always try copper or aluminium corrugated foil - as sold by Micromark, amongst others......

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Nige - thanks - hadn't thought of that - I think tonight, first I will try again with the paper as a spacer as that will improve it - then I need to do some cutting and hacking the card base buildings as Scott rightly pointed out above I need to do a few mods - better now than later as the swear box is now full and needs emptying - get a wiggle on Dapol ;)

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Mickey - thanks - Missy and Bryn both touched on the use of thin metal but I will see through this first as I feel more comfortable working with card and plastikard.

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