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  1. You've all missed Rebuilt 34045 Ottery St Mary. Hornby used to do it along with Wilton and Combe Martin. Might be available second hand somewhere ?
  2. Many thanks for this. It fits with the general impression that in their early BR days the S&D 2Ps were lined, but mostly lost it in the mid 50s. Ivo Peters vol 2 has 2 pictures of this loco dated August 1956 (Plates 78 and 80). Both show it unlined and clean, well not grimey. One is a close up of the cab side. Looks like I'm going to have to scrape that lining off.
  3. Apologies for not being clearer. When I said most S&D 2Ps appeared to be unlined I meant in their later BR days, so approx. 1958 to 1962 (from memory I think the last 2p was withdrawn in 1962 but I'm away from home at the moment and havn't got access to all my books). My main modelling period is 1959 to 1965, but concentrating on 1961 (a very good year for a big mixed variety of stock and locos, and 1964). I do have Ivo Peters 1 & 2 (1950s) with me and having scanned through them there may be a couple of 2ps still with lining up to 1956, though I do take the point about lining being hidden by dirt, and the picture angles arn't always helpful. I cant find a picture of any lined 2p after that, but as I said most of my books are at home. If anyone has spotted a picture of a lined 2p as late as 1958 or later I would love to know because it means I don't have to scrape it off my new Hornby one.
  4. I'm sure all the 2ps on the S&D were unlined, and I have studied loads of picture books. If anyone has seen a picture of a lined one on the S&D I'm quite happy to be corrected because it means I don't have to remove it. The other thing to check is the tender front. Some Fowler tenders had the 'coal door' tender front (like in this picture) but lots had the 'coal hole' tender front. You have to study photos of your particular loco to see which it had, and even then the photo angle isn't always helpful. There is a brass etch available to convert the tender front which can also be used on the Hornby 4F, and Bachmann 4F and 7F. Its amazing how many RTR locos have the wrong tender front.
  5. I know a lot of modellers don't like traction tyres, but on this loco they havnt been a problem for me, but rather a bonus. My new 2p turns out to be the most powerful loco I have. I had it hauling a mixed bag of 18 coaches before my layout couldn't cope with any more. Previously my most powerful locos were a Bachman 9F and Hornby rebuilt WC both of which will pull 15. If modelling an S&D loco in BR days, If think I'm correct in saying that none were lined, so if you'r going to renumber one you'll need to scrape the lining off (easy on the old Mainline version but not so on the Hornby one) and/or respray it too.
  6. Referring to your idea of modelling 3210, when on the S&D this loco was in lined green and with a Collet 3000 gallon tender with late crest, ie one of the Mainline split chassis models. Mine runs well but you need to be a bit innovative to convert it to DCC.
  7. There's a colour picture in one of the books (not Ivo) of a Pannier at Bailey Gate on the afternoon 'milky', and also the Bradford Barton book has a picture of a Collet 2251 on an up passenger (just leaving Stalbridge ?, probably the same service) on the southern half of the line. I'm away from home at the moment and havn't got access to my records so cant be more precise right now.
  8. Referring to the picture of the 2 coach LMS set in the centre road at Bath, I'm away from my home at the moment so havnt got access to all my work, but a few years back I did an extensive study (for 1961) of which coach set worked which service out, then back, then on and on, etc etc. As I recall, this 2 coach set was one of the 'Highbridge Branch' sets. It was worked north to Bath attached to a Maunsell 3 set on an early morning service from Templecombe. It stayed at Bath all day and then was used for the early evening Bath-Binegar and return service. Then it returned south on the last service of the day from Bath (approx. 22.20 ??). Apologies for time details being missing but as I said I'm away from home at the moment.
  9. At least one of those slip conversions was used on the Somerset & Dorset Highbridge branch in its later days
  10. They were also used on pigeon specials that ran over the Somerset & Dorset.
  11. Your best option is to join the S&D Trust. Then you'll have access to all the back numbers of the trusts magazine going back to the year dot ! A lot of it is indexed now so you can find loads of info and photos that you'll have never seen before. As an example, I found a photo of a southern U class on a normal service train in about 1961 as I recall (and I don't mean the test trains they ran in the early 50s).
  12. Ive only just spotted this. Cant help, sorry, but what I would say is that as an avid studier of s&d picture books (I've got loads), pictures of Stalbridge are extremely rare.
  13. A couple of years ago I did a very detailed analysis of which S&D 4Fs could be produced from the current RTR models (both Bachmann and Hornby). Now, I'm away from home at the moment so havn't got my notes so I'm working from memory. I worked from photographs of S&D 4Fs to be sure of their condition when in later BR days. Basically as I remember (and I am working from memory of a few years ago), you cant renumber any RTR 4F into a S&D one accurately unless you also do a number of modifications as well. The most significant problem is the Fowler tender. Both Hornby (ex Airfix but now loco drive and much improved body) and Bachmann Fowler tenders have the 'coal door' type tender front (it's a big lump that sticks out forward) rather than the 'coal hole' tender front (which is flat). Whereas photos show the common S&D 4Fs (LHD 44417 and 44422, and RHD 44102 and Armstrongs 44557-61) all with 'coal hole' tenders (though from the back of my memory somewhere, one of the Armstrongs may have had a very late tender swop, not sure about that). There is now available an etched brass kit that contains a number of bits including those to make the 'coal hole' tender front. I think it's a Brassmasters kit. To make 44417 and 44422 you have to use the Hornby model as they are LHD locos. I've done both by adding the missing handrails and lamp irons and they 'come up' very well, though I havn't done the tender fronts yet. The Bachmann model can be used for the RHD loco's but beware, it has beaded splashers and some locos had these replaced with plain ones at some point (44102 may have always had plain splashers) and from memory one of the Armstrongs had a mixture of beaded and plain splashers !. I think the Bachmann body comes apart so It may be possible to separate the splashers away to make space to file the beading off if your that brave ! So, it's a minefield ! Always refer to photos for your chosen modelling period. Next time I'm at home I'll try and remember to dig out my notes on all this to update here if necessary. They were used as the background for a suggestion directly to Bachmann for an accurate S&D Armstrong 4F from a well known S&D man who has Bachmann's 'ear'. As an aside, some of the Bachmann 7Fs also have the wrong Fowler tender.
  14. Maybe, but there was no doubt it was caused by the 8249. When I lifted the loco fitted with it off the track, everything ran normally. Maybe others hadn't seen the problem because they already had filters fitted to their DCC bus. The Hornby man pointed me towards the Brian Lambert website for details of what to do.
  15. I had this problem. It was caused by a loco fitted with a Hornby 8249 decoder being on the track at the same time. It didn't affect all the ZTC258s just some of them. It also affected some locos fitted with other decoder makes but I cant remember which now. I contacted Hornby and they replaced the 8249. The replacement affected one less ZTC258. Hornby then suggested I fit filters to the ends of my wiring bus. When I did this, the problem disappeared. I'm away from home at the moment, but as I recall the 8249s were causing some sort of 'noise' on the bus.
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